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YeahTubaMike posted:They didn't make Nicole NEARLY unlikable enough. Everyone got along with her when they met her, she never yelled at him or acted domineering -- we never had a reason to dislike her, and the fact that she felt that marriage was a patriarchal institution (which, mind you, is something that we didn't know until just now) absolutely does not count. 100% agreed about Nicole. I like Carisi but he sounded like a total jerk when he was talking about her. She’s way cooler than him anyway 
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YeahTubaMike posted:OC thoughts: I think one of the biggest issues with Organized Crime is that it was never allowed to develop its own identity. Benson was in literally seven of the eight episodes this season. As long as it's living in the shadow of SVU, it's never going to fly.
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YeahTubaMike posted:Overanalysis is basically my favorite thing in the world, so most of my posts in here are going to be long as hell. It’s called snowballing (blowjob thing) and don’t kink shame man. Also, I’m totally hooked on the show and now must go back and watch all of SVU as well. Never seen it!
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Also, the complete emptiness of the subway station
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From what I can recall the only episode she has been in, is the one where she was introduced.
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So I've been intercutting my SVU eps with season 3 L&O eps and just found the first ep with Lennie in it!! Exciting, I'm ready to begin L&O proper. Also, my commentary from discord: oh I really like the filmography of this l&o opening, two cops were on the street having a snack when they heard shots from down the street so they ran there - and the cameraman ran with them. It worked to show the urgency and panic of the situation, and now it goes back to steady-cam
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StrixNebulosa posted:Also, my commentary from discord: oh I really like the filmography of this l&o opening, two cops were on the street having a snack when they heard shots from down the street so they ran there - and the cameraman ran with them. It worked to show the urgency and panic of the situation, and now it goes back to steady-cam You may want to check out The Shield if you like hand camera, aka shaky cam, stuff. It's also a great show.
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PaybackJack posted:You may want to check out The Shield if you like hand camera, aka shaky cam, stuff. It's also a great show. Homicide: Life on the Street was also shot entirely with handheld cameras.
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Eeesh, season 3 of SVU has sucked more than the others so far. It's had some real bangers (Wrath, Redemption) but Ridicule, Execution and Popular are just making it so I don't want to keep watching. Doesn't help that they've been grouped so closely together, too.
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I recently watched the entire run of SVU and the only episodes that really tested my patience were when Rollins’ sister shows up.
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Caesarian Sectarian posted:I recently watched the entire run of SVU and the only episodes that really tested my patience were when Rollins’ sister shows up. I dunno the end of the Stabler run and Danny Pino years are pretty trying.
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Mooseontheloose posted:I dunno the end of the Stabler run and Danny Pino years are pretty trying. Yep. The descent into madness began with the Rape Van episode, which premiered the seventh season, I believe. By season 10, the show was like a porn parody of itself, and then there was the idiotic season 12 finale with the shootout in the squadroom. Neal Baer finally resigned as the executive producer after the end of 12, with Warren Leight taking over, and with the major cast shakeup, the series had a pretty decent breath of fresh air. Until we got Rollins' batshit family and Amaro having the longest goddamn divorce ever and becoming Stabler 2.0.
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Stabler’s divorce felt like it went on forever too, and the episodes with him paired with Beck while Benson was
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Yeah, Amaro's problems went on for way too long and it was kind of a relief when he finally left. I don't remember if this actually happened but lmao if it did: 
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HOLY gently caress posted:Yeah, Amaro's problems went on for way too long and it was kind of a relief when he finally left. Father Dearest, season 13.
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Timby posted:Yep. The descent into madness began with the Rape Van episode, which premiered the seventh season, I believe. By season 10, the show was like a porn parody of itself, and then there was the idiotic season 12 finale with the shootout in the squadroom. Neal Baer finally resigned as the executive producer after the end of 12, with Warren Leight taking over, and with the major cast shakeup, the series had a pretty decent breath of fresh air. Yah the Rape Van episode where there is a perfectly valid reading of that episode that Stabler caused the T-1000 to relapse and try and rape a girl is a REALLY bad episode. Is the audience decides the ending episode in there too? Ugh. I also feel bad for both Adam Beach and Diane Neal's run on the show both deserved a better ending.
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fartknocker posted:Stabler’s divorce felt like it went on forever too, and the episodes with him paired with Beck while Benson was Yeah, Beck never existed. She was just a fever dream as far as I'm concerned, although even my subconscious probably couldn't conjure up a character so devoid of charm or intrigue. Timby posted:Until we got Rollins' batshit family and Amaro having the longest goddamn divorce ever and becoming Stabler 2.0. I love Rollins's batshit family  Also, a guy I know played Kim's sketchy boyfriend that does drugs with her in Rollins's apartment, and it was hilarious because I did not know that until I saw the scene.But yeah, Amaro's divorce was just so loving BORING. Ooooooohhh my god. edit: HOLY gently caress posted:Yeah, Amaro's problems went on for way too long and it was kind of a relief when he finally left. I have never seen Phantom of the Opera, I have only seen one parody of it (the "Phantom of the Telethon" episode of American Dad), and I had no loving clue that prison was even involved in any way.
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Jun 13, 2021 20:02
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Timby posted:Father Dearest, season 13.  I love this weird-rear end show so muchthanks, Timby! 
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Mooseontheloose posted:Yah the Rape Van episode where there is a perfectly valid reading of that episode that Stabler caused the T-1000 to relapse and try and rape a girl is a REALLY bad episode. Is the audience decides the ending episode in there too? Ugh. Doubt was the audience decides the ending episode for SVU and it's from season 6. Criminal Intent had one too.
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YeahTubaMike posted:I have never seen Phantom of the Opera, I have only seen one parody of it (the "Phantom of the Telethon" episode of American Dad), and I had no loving clue that prison was even involved in any way. It isn't. Hence the joke. YeahTubaMike posted:I love Rollins's batshit family The episode that finally got me to say "I'm loving done with Rollins' Rowdy Relatives" was the insanely convoluted one in which Kim shoots the on-again, off-again guy she's been seeing, and then it turns out that Kim had taken out a life insurance policy on him and listed Amanda as the beneficiary, causing Tucker at IAB to once again try to nail an SVU detective to the wall. I know it's only a 42-minute episode, but it felt three hours long. There was also the one where Kim seduced, drugged and robbed a star violinist. 
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Timby posted:It isn't. Hence the joke. I thought the joke was that he went to prison for something other than stealing bread. Whoops. quote:The episode that finally got me to say "I'm loving done with Rollins' Rowdy Relatives" was the insanely convoluted one in which Kim shoots the on-again, off-again guy she's been seeing, and then it turns out that Kim had taken out a life insurance policy on him and listed Amanda as the beneficiary, causing Tucker at IAB to once again try to nail an SVU detective to the wall. I know it's only a 42-minute episode, but it felt three hours long. I don't remember either of those, which is probably why I still love Rollins's Rowdy Relatives. 
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YeahTubaMike posted:I thought the joke was that he went to prison for something other than stealing bread. Whoops. The gag is that the woman screwed up. At the beginning of Les Miserables, Jean Valjean is finally released after spending 19 years in prison for stealing a loaf of bread to feed his starving family. There's no such thing in Phantom, unless you count the Phantom being an outcast and living in the sewers beneath the opera house as a metaphorical prison.
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So, I haven't watched a huge amount of Law & Order, but... am I off-base here, or does Jack McCoy strike anyone else as kind of bloodthirsty? I watched a couple of eighth season L&O episodes recently and McCoy just seems wildly aggressive in wanting to put anyone behind bars. Is there some character background I'm missing, or was this just a reflection of a broader push at the time to be "tough on crime"?
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:So, I haven't watched a huge amount of Law & Order, but... am I off-base here, or does Jack McCoy strike anyone else as kind of bloodthirsty? I watched a couple of eighth season L&O episodes recently and McCoy just seems wildly aggressive in wanting to put anyone behind bars. Is there some character background I'm missing, or was this just a reflection of a broader push at the time to be "tough on crime"? They don't call him "Hang 'Em High" McCoy for nothing. Basically Jack McCoy basically likes to win and views things like murder/assault/rape and attacking the relative peace people live in as so abhorrent that he'll use the law to protect it. It's also why he is kind of a berserker when another lawyer, officer of the court, or public servant breaks the bond.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:So, I haven't watched a huge amount of Law & Order, but... am I off-base here, or does Jack McCoy strike anyone else as kind of bloodthirsty? I watched a couple of eighth season L&O episodes recently and McCoy just seems wildly aggressive in wanting to put anyone behind bars. Is there some character background I'm missing, or was this just a reflection of a broader push at the time to be "tough on crime"? Season 8 McCoy is also reeling from the death of Claire Kincaid, a former ADA he was sleeping with.
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Mooseontheloose posted:They don't call him "Hang 'Em High" McCoy for nothing. The series finale has Jack go to the logical extreme: either the Teacher's Union lawyer gives up the info needed to find a teacher and the school he'll blow up; or Jack uses the "full weight" of the office instead, then resigns to help the grieving parents crush the union in a wrongful death suit, finally Jack steals the lawyer's wife.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:So, I haven't watched a huge amount of Law & Order, but... am I off-base here, or does Jack McCoy strike anyone else as kind of bloodthirsty? I watched a couple of eighth season L&O episodes recently and McCoy just seems wildly aggressive in wanting to put anyone behind bars. Is there some character background I'm missing, or was this just a reflection of a broader push at the time to be "tough on crime"? In one episode McCoy indicts literally the entire Bush administration so he can charge a law professor with conspiracy when he can't get a murder charge to stick. It's his characterization that he'll do anything to win, and it's a source of tension between him and Cutter at the start of season 18 or whenever he replaces Fred Thompson. There's also some premium liberal righteous-anger McCoy during a few episodes to do with the Iraq War, one to do with faulty bullet proof vests and another to do with veterans' hospitals.
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I just started season 9 and was reacquainted with Abby Carmichael "no deals for anybody. let's hang 'em all" lol
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I just started season 9 and was reacquainted with Abby Carmichael Abbie Carmichael : This report says the child was 2 and a half years old, Marian was 13 months. They autopsied the wrong kid, send it back. ADA Jack McCoy : Why don't you take yourself down and get acquainted with the medical examiner? [cut to] Dr. Elizabeth Rodgers : It's the same kid, bone age doesn't lie. Greatest show.
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I'm watching the episode True North, and McCoy and Carmichael are obsessed with getting to put someone to death, it feels like McCoy almost thinks it isn't even worth putting the defendant on trial if he can't go for the death penalty Does Schiff give them a bonus for every execution or what?
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I'm watching the episode True North, and McCoy and Carmichael are obsessed with getting to put someone to death, it feels like McCoy almost thinks it isn't even worth putting the defendant on trial if he can't go for the death penalty With the exception of Carmichael and Serena Southerlyn, Law & Order characters' positions on the death penalty are wildly inconsistent, largely depending upon the writer. McCoy gets a wicked zeal for someone getting the needle whenever possible, despite him witnessing an execution and being horrified by it in Aftershock (season 6 finale).
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Is there some character background I'm missing, or was this just a reflection of a broader push at the time to be "tough on crime"? Besides all the character background already mentioned, the guy he replaced was a bit of a saint so a lot of his characterization is made to be in direct opposition of that.
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Timby posted:With the exception of Carmichael and Serena Southerlyn, Law & Order characters' positions on the death penalty are wildly inconsistent, largely depending upon the writer. McCoy gets a wicked zeal for someone getting the needle whenever possible, despite him witnessing an execution and being horrified by it in Aftershock (season 6 finale). Was there a writing staff or was it mostly outside writers selling to the show?
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Was there a writing staff or was it mostly outside writers selling to the show? Almost exclusively a core writing staff.
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I started watching the original in the last week or two and I'm hooked, just pulling episodes at random from the Briscoe and McCoy era. I really like how it's not so much a whodunit but rather seeing what kind of legal defense they're going to have to deal with. It's great how some episodes I'm stoked to see McCoy eat poo poo even when the defendant is guilty, but then the next episode I'm all "ohhhh poo poo, inevitable discovery bitch, your rear end is goin' to jail". Death penalty episodes are the best because McCoy turns his assholery to the max.
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Weekend SVU marathons in the post-Stabler era are so disappointing. Also, I saw Perverted Justice, the only episode whose title I can remember being named anywhere, and it was boring.
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YeahTubaMike posted:Weekend SVU marathons in the post-Stabler era are so disappointing. I don't know what's more aggravating: That after making a whirlwind leap from detective to sergeant to captain to lieutenant, the show still has to be all about St. Olivia even though at her present rank, she really should be in the background and appearing a few times an episode at most, or that SVU has gone back to being more of a soap opera than anything else, like poor Danny Pino's seasons when if it wasn't all about him having the longest, most drawn-out divorce in human history, it was about him being Stabler 2.0 and always getting himself right to the brink of getting beefed by IA.
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Do the detectives ever shoot their guns in this show? I haven't seen it once yet and so far I like how they don't rely on stuff like action sequences, maybe chasing a perp down the street at most. I get the feeling if it ever happens it's gotta be an oh poo poo moment and I hope it surprises me. Wait, I just remembered the one where Lt. Van Buren ices an intellectually disabled kid. She was off duty and being mugged for that one though, but the ensuing poo poo show was an alright hook for an episode plot.
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Coxswain Balls posted:Do the detectives ever shoot their guns in this show? I haven't seen it once yet and so far I like how they don't rely on stuff like action sequences, maybe chasing a perp down the street at most. I get the feeling if it ever happens it's gotta be an oh poo poo moment and I hope it surprises me. Green does it off camera in his last episode. It also leads to Anthony Anderson's character investigating him, then moving from Internal Affairs to replacing Green at the 27 in the next episode.
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That sounds like a good way of handling it, like the one where Briscoe is under scrutiny about what may or may not be a false confession. Maybe it's because I'm watching them out of order but Briscoe and Green's antagonism in that one was a bit over the top, although I like how they showed how it's because Lennie's getting up there in years and it's getting to him but they don't beat you over the head about it. Just finished Patsy and drat that was a good one. McCoy saying gently caress it and being held in contempt was awesome since I was pretty sure he was intentionally going for a mistrial so that the woman in the coma could be called as a witness whenever she wakes up. Then they close it with finding a hair in the trunk of her car and facing the prospect of two Ls in one episode Jack is all "y'know what, who cares. We'll deal with it if she wakes up".
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