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Chapter 17quote:Out went the lights and I quickly discovered that Hork-Bajir don’t have much in the way of night vision. Neither do elephants. But elephants don’t care all that much, since they can pretty well stomp anything that gets in their way. They probably PREFER if Bek lives, but if he dies, he dies. Chapter 18 quote:“So, a renegade Hork-Bajir,” one of the Controllers said. “Let’s grab them both! Visser Three will be very pleased.” He raised his Dracon beam and leveled it at me. “You can make it easy or hard, Hork-Bajir.” He remembers her. Do you think this is just basically spite? Like, Ket Halpak and Jara Hamee were the two original ones who got away, and he's been brooding?
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# ? Jun 19, 2021 04:02 |
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Brooding? He's been throwing darts at their pictures.
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# ? Jun 19, 2021 04:16 |
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I'm surprised the yeerks ever bothered to record or report the hork-bajir names. They'd need to keep track of humans for the stealth invasion but otherwise remembering the personhood of your hosts seems like a loosing idea.
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# ? Jun 19, 2021 07:43 |
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They probably didn't care about the Hork-Bajir's names until they escaped. Jara and Ket yelled their own names about 200 times while running away.
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# ? Jun 19, 2021 09:18 |
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That's Ket Halpak, sir - one of your slave warriors from Sector 7G.
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# ? Jun 19, 2021 10:48 |
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Visser 3
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# ? Jun 19, 2021 12:25 |
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I infest the brain of my nemesis to always fill me with vengeance
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# ? Jun 19, 2021 12:45 |
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The Mad Men elevator meme with Ket Halpak saying "I don't think about you at all" because the Hork Bajir hate the Yeerks but are too simple to distinguish any individual Yeerk
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Chapter 19quote:<Poor, stupid Hork-Bajir,> Visser Three said, dripping fake pity. <You can’t even appreciate the magnificence of this morph. It’s called a Kaftid.> So, so much for saving Bek. It was kind of a disaster, but at least we got a new Visser Three monster. Chapter 20 quote:I had lost the young Hork-Bajir. The Yeerks had him. I had lost him. Why WOULD a Controller complain about the treatment of animals at Frank's Safari Land? Epicurius fucked around with this message at 04:48 on Jun 21, 2021 |
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Epicurius posted:Why WOULD a Controller complain about the treatment of animals at Frank's Safari Land? I like the idea that the Controllers have noticed that when businesses mistreat animals, the Andalite bandits show up to teach them the error of their ways. So it's not so much that the Controllers care about the animals' well-being, they're just like, "goddammit, if these places don't get their acts together, another loving elephant is going to stomp through their walls and we're going to lose a bunch more Yeerks and their hosts to collateral damage."
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Yeerks have like 3 species on their home planet so I choose to believe some Controllers are just hyped 24/7 because they can see a new kind of animal almost daily.
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Visser 3 loves cats, I'm sure there are other controllers that love animals. A little cognitive dissonance never stopped anyone.
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Chapter 21quote:We took turns, Ax and I. He used the roofs of the skyscrapers to demorph and remorph. Out of sight of curious eyes. You notice that Ax didn't actually agree with him. Chapter 22 quote:I flew to Rachel’s room that night. I couldn’t sleep. And I was literally starving. But the last thing I could think about was hunting. First, I just wanted to start with a quick question about morphing and Tobias's hunger problem. I think I know the answer to this, but.... So, Jake gets his allowance, and he decides he wants to treat Tobias to a meal. So Tobias morphs human, they go to McDonalds, and he gets a Big Mac, fries, a chocolate shake....everything. When he morphs back to a falcon, that doesn't actually help him, right? Those calories just disappear? (It's probably a good idea for a diet....eat whatever you want, so long as you morph first.) Also, while Rachel clearly has a motive here (dating a bird limits your social activities), she's also right. Tobias is as much human as he is bird, and his big problem is that he refuses to ask for help from people. I'm pretty sure they'd all help him if he asked.
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Epicurius posted:First, I just wanted to start with a quick question about morphing and Tobias's hunger problem. I think I know the answer to this, but.... So, Jake gets his allowance, and he decides he wants to treat Tobias to a meal. So Tobias morphs human, they go to McDonalds, and he gets a Big Mac, fries, a chocolate shake....everything. When he morphs back to a falcon, that doesn't actually help him, right? Those calories just disappear? (It's probably a good idea for a diet....eat whatever you want, so long as you morph first.)
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Man this book is getting into Deep poo poo, it's great.
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quote:It’s not like you’re black and I’m white like Cassie and Jake. No one but a moron cares about that. This was one of the more powerful lines from the series, to me growing up. I'm from the Deep South, in a place where interracial relationships were *still* heavily stigmatized. As a preteen/teenager with very strong teenage feelings for a black girl at school, but my parents warning me that if we started dating they'd need to personally meet with my grandparents to gently break them into the idea first, this line resonated to me about the way things should be.
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Cythereal posted:This was one of the more powerful lines from the series, to me growing up. I'm from the Deep South, in a place where interracial relationships were *still* heavily stigmatized. As a preteen/teenager with very strong teenage feelings for a black girl at school, but my parents warning me that if we started dating they'd need to personally meet with my grandparents to gently break them into the idea first, this line resonated to me about the way things should be. Oh yeah, in high school I had various people warn me /question me about why I was hanging out with a black girl. Like what in the absolute motherfuck
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Chapter 23quote:I didn’t sleep a lot that night. Talking to Rachel had not exactly made me feel peaceful. In the morning, in a couple of hours, we would all go to the Hork-Bajir. I would ask them where the secret Yeerk facility was. We would tell them that’s where the Yeerks had Bek. Maybe that would even be the truth. So it sounds like he's made up his mind. He's eating this last bit of roadkill, fighting one last fight and then giving up his hawkness and becoming a normal kid. Chapter 24 quote:We, the Animorphs, stood before the free Hork-Bajir. I rested on a low branch and did the talking. I told them about our failed rescue attempt. I explained our guess that Bek was at whatever facility the Hork-Bajir had been raiding. I really like this chapter. It's Tobias's realization that his experience in this book isn't a unique one. Every human being, by virtue of being a human being, faces this balance between predator and peacemaker....that's the essence of being human; deciding when to be aggrressive and when to step back Also, Toby's great, and like Tobias realizes, she's playing the long game. She knows that even if the Yeerks are defeated, the humans will still be there, and to survive, the Hork-Bajir need to gain a sense of themselves. The Hork-Bajir have to be strong for the Hork-Bajir.
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It is also a pretty big departure from the earlier books, that had a much more black/white approach to everything. This is the first time, I actually liked the differences in philosophy. Neither side was really depicted ad correct, they are just different approaches to a problem, coming from different perspectives. And we really have entered the next stage of the Animorphs moral decline, Toby and the Hork Bajir are pretty hardcore.
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# ? Jun 22, 2021 08:49 |
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Big props to Tobias for calling out the boyscouts homophobia in like 1997 or something.
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GodFish posted:Big props to Tobias for calling out the boyscouts homophobia in like 1997 or something. 1998. And yeah, I would think things like that and what's going on with Tobias would have stood out to me. The bits with Aria might be a little familiar, but I can't remember anything else that's happened in this book, or the cover of it. I find it hard to believe I'd have missed a Tobias book, and I definitely read Visser and the next Megamorphs, but this would probably have been around the time I started dropping out of the series.
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Let's read Animorphs: They shend one of yoursh to the hoshpital...
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Chapter 25quote:<It is a ground-based weapons platform,> Ax said. He was struggling to keep the slow-burn anger out of his voice. <You can see the Dracon beam already in place. They only need to position the targeting sensors to have it operational.> Few things here. I like how Ax manages to be smug about Andalite superiority even when he's outrage. I also like that these kids are at a place in their life where they debate which insect will be least unpleasant to transform into. Chapter 26 quote:<Okay, here’s the deal, as well as I can tell with a mix of simple and compound eyes,> Marco reported. <We’re in a cage. Big, thick bars. But a very conventional lock. A human lock. Bek’s here, hugging Jara Hamee.> I do like the fact that using Hork-Bajir to guard Hork-Bajir can just lead to that sort of confusion. I mean, eventually, they'll figure it out, but...
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# ? Jun 23, 2021 04:33 |
I thought it was Hork-Bajir that aren't very bright, and yet the Yeerks fell for the very oldest trick that probably predates the book.
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# ? Jun 23, 2021 05:41 |
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Later on they take out Visser 3 by placing a bucket of water on top of the door to his Blade Ship.
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# ? Jun 23, 2021 10:36 |
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Yet again Yeerk forces are hamstrung by the fact that everyone is too terrified of Visser Three to think through problems like "should he actually be here right now?" he's so erratic and dangerous that they can't expect any consistency from him which means the Animorphs can just lie and it will be taken as true.
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HIJK posted:Yet again Yeerk forces are hamstrung by the fact that everyone is too terrified of Visser Three to think through problems like "should he actually be here right now?" he's so erratic and dangerous that they can't expect any consistency from him which means the Animorphs can just lie and it will be taken as true. Visser 3‘s characterization ages poorly throughout the series. He is basically cobra commander in the first few books and never really sheds the cartoonish over the top persona, even when the series gets much more nuanced. To me, he sticks out like a sore thump. The series really tries to justify his behavior, but he is a black spot in an otherwise pretty well realized universe.
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e X posted:Visser 3‘s characterization ages poorly throughout the series. He is basically cobra commander in the first few books and never really sheds the cartoonish over the top persona, even when the series gets much more nuanced. Did you notice that Visser Three being in place is actually the desired outcome of the Ellimist?
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e X posted:Visser 3‘s characterization ages poorly throughout the series. He is basically cobra commander in the first few books and never really sheds the cartoonish over the top persona, even when the series gets much more nuanced. Yeah I don't blame you for thinking that. Especially after books like Hork Bajir Chronicles where he's supposed to be a smooth operator master mind.
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HIJK posted:Yeah I don't blame you for thinking that. Especially after books like Hork Bajir Chronicles where he's supposed to be a smooth operator master mind. Much like Chapman in the Andalite Chronicles compared to Main Series Chapman, Visser Three in the Hork-Bajir Chronicles is basically a completely different person from Main Series Visser Three. But at least we have the inference that being bonded with Alloran absolutely scrambled Esplin’s mind into the monster we meet in Book 1. Chapman, uuuhhh… I dunno, maybe he did a lot of growing up in the 20 years between TAC and Book 1?
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nine-gear crow posted:Much like Chapman in the Andalite Chronicles compared to Main Series Chapman, Visser Three in the Hork-Bajir Chronicles is basically a completely different person from Main Series Visser Three. But at least we have the inference that being bonded with Alloran absolutely scrambled Esplin’s mind into the monster we meet in Book 1. He'd just read Ayn Rand for the first time. Lucky bastard got brain wiped and escaped the shame of being a libertarian teen.
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# ? Jun 24, 2021 03:41 |
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I've known a few people who were shitheads as teenagers and then grew up to be genuinely really good educators & parents, so it's not impossible for Chapman to have changed. Alternate answer: The Ellimist did it because he needed Chapman to be involved.
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Sadly, I'm not going to be able to post tonight. The next two chapters will come tomorrow. As for Visser Three, I think there's very much a Peter Principle thing going on, complicated by the extreme dysfunction and politicking of the important Vissers. We've seen how Visser One and Visser Three hate each other, and since the only way to rise in rank is the death or demotion of the people above you, Yeerk military culture seems to encourage paranoia and ruthlessness.
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Chapter 27quote:Up the steep road my friends and allies ran. They were directly behind a big dump truck. Mostly invisible to the unsuspecting Yeerks above them. So much for the idea that Tobias can be happy! Chapter 28 quote:I didn’t have much time to sit and feel sorry for myself. That would have to come later. I had an appointment. Let me just quote Jake's description of Tobias from book 1 for you. "Well, anyway, we were out of money and getting ready to head home when we ran into Tobias. Tobias was . . . I mean, I guess he still is kind of a strange guy. He was new at school, and he wasn't the toughest kid around, so he got picked on a lot. I actually met Tobias when he had his head in a toilet. There were these two big guys holding him down and laughing while they flushed, sending Tobias's straggly blond hair swirling around the bowl. I told the two creeps to step off, and ever since then, Tobias figured I was his friend." So, yea. quote:Jake would be made into a Controller. Even if he died resisting them, they’d move from him to Marco, his best friend, and Rachel, his cousin. From Rachel to Cassie. Game over. So tomorrow, we get to The Reading of the Document.
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# ? Jun 25, 2021 03:49 |
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Epicurius posted:
Definitely the lowest Tobias has ever been... until his next book, maybe!
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Epicurius posted:
Actually, once we reached this chapter, I did remember this bit. Funny the phrases that stick with you over decades.
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# ? Jun 25, 2021 05:07 |
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Yeah, I had forgotten almost everything else in this book but I remember that line and the next chapter really well.
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disaster pastor posted:Definitely the lowest Tobias has ever been... until his next book, maybe! Tobias is the Chief O'Brien of the Animorphs. Bobulus fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Jun 25, 2021 |
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Have to admit, it's an unusually subtle and clever plan of Visser Three's.
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Saving a child because an andalite terrorist might be watching is some extra-mile acting.
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