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SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.
thank god central banks can't debase bitcoin, just imagine the price instability

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SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.
thank god exchanges can't lend out your bitcoins and create bubbles, just imagine something something tether

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.
what a visionary satoshi nakamoto was, though. more concerned about the security of the exchange rate than the security of exchanges he managed to devise a system that produces neither

Wrongfor10yrs LOL
Jun 20, 2021

by Shine

SubG posted:

thank god central banks can't debase bitcoin, just imagine the price instability
https://www.lynalden.com/misconceptions-about-bitcoin/

https://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/bitcoin-is-not-too-volatile/

SubG posted:

thank god exchanges can't lend out your bitcoins and create bubbles, just imagine something something tether
https://danheld.substack.com/p/dont-fear-tether

https://casebitcoin.com/critiques/bitcoin-is-pumped-by-tether

SubG posted:

what a visionary satoshi nakamoto was, though. more concerned about the security of the exchange rate than the security of exchanges he managed to devise a system that produces neither
Bitcoin is many, many orders of magnitude more secure than any other method for storing wealth, including the gold bars in Fort Knox or those beneath the streets of downtown Manhattan.

Wrongfor10yrs LOL fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Jun 20, 2021

Boxturret
Oct 3, 2013

Don't ask me about Sonic the Hedgehog diaper fetish

SubG posted:

what a visionary satoshi nakamoto was, though. more concerned about the security of the exchange rate than the security of exchanges he managed to devise a system that produces neither

how dare you imply that satoshi wasn't a genius alien from the future

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
drat, seraph seraphin on us again

you also are gettin nutjobs on r/buttcoin shilling in the most shillproof community on reddit

kw0134
Apr 19, 2003

I buy feet pics🍆

if it's a good explanation you should be able to write it down instead of outsourcing it to random other idiots on the internet.

Wrongfor10yrs LOL
Jun 20, 2021

by Shine

kw0134 posted:

if it's a good explanation you should be able to write it down instead of outsourcing it to random other idiots on the internet.
I have been doing precisely that, for literal years, on this very forum. At this point it's all public knowledge, and there are far better writers than myself. It's more expedient for me to simply link you to articles which communicate it clearly and concisely. Each of you has the choice whether or not to accept these self-evident truths.

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.

Wrongfor10yrs LOL posted:

https://www.lynalden.com/misconceptions-about-bitcoin/

https://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/bitcoin-is-not-too-volatile/

https://danheld.substack.com/p/dont-fear-tether

https://casebitcoin.com/critiques/bitcoin-is-pumped-by-tether

Bitcoin is many, many orders of magnitude more secure than any other method for storing wealth, including the gold bars in Fort Knox or those beneath the streets of downtown Manhattan.
https://www.google.com/search?q=get+out
https://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-frogout.gif

kw0134
Apr 19, 2003

I buy feet pics🍆

lol the same tired arguments that eventually revert to "nah nah i have number go up" except when it goes down

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


@Seraph: what would convince you that you're wrong?

Wrongfor10yrs LOL
Jun 20, 2021

by Shine

ultrafilter posted:

@Seraph: what would convince you that you're wrong?
If five years from now, one or more of the following are the case:

1. Bitcoin has a lower hashrate than it does today
2. Bitcoin has fewer nodes than it does today
3. Bitcoin processes less average daily volume (by wealth) than it does today
4. Bitcoin development ceases

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjYbsq3FXfM

kw0134
Apr 19, 2003

I buy feet pics🍆

Wrongfor10yrs LOL posted:

3. Bitcoin processes less average daily volume (by wealth) than it does today

lolllllllllll, what a very particular condition that neatly evades why bitcoin is worthless for the purpose its touted

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.
bad news about the hashrate part

Wrongfor10yrs LOL
Jun 20, 2021

by Shine

SubG posted:

bad news about the hashrate part

quote:

five years from now

Wrongfor10yrs LOL
Jun 20, 2021

by Shine
The problem here, at the most fundamental level, is that money is such a politically-loaded concept. Money is a tool and a technology, nothing more. There is no inherent property of money that dictates that it must be managed and controlled by national governments. The only reason that has traditionally been the case is because for the past 7,000 or so years, the only way to maintain the integrity of any wealth ledger is to leverage violence (or the threat thereof).

The advent of Nakamoto Consensus changed that reality - rewrote the rules. We no longer require guards at the temples to protect the ledger, because it no longer needs to be centrally managed.

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.
in the time it took you to post that the hashrate went down by ~2 EH/s

Wrongfor10yrs LOL
Jun 20, 2021

by Shine

SubG posted:

in the time it took you to post that the hashrate went down by ~2 EH/s
Imagine thinking this matters. The difficulty will adjust accordingly.

Bitcoin's security is well within the same order of magnitude it was 3 months ago. Bitcoin today has a level of network security that enables it to resist coordinated attacks from multiple national governments working together. That's all that's necessary to maintain the integrity of the ledger.

This will continue to be the case until we are no longer using ledgers at all (this is an end of civilization scenario).

Boxturret
Oct 3, 2013

Don't ask me about Sonic the Hedgehog diaper fetish
the world is only 6000 years old get this heretic out of here

kw0134
Apr 19, 2003

I buy feet pics🍆

Wrongfor10yrs LOL posted:

The problem here, at the most fundamental level, is that money is such a politically-loaded concept. Money is a tool and a technology, nothing more. There is no inherent property of money that dictates that it must be managed and controlled by national governments. The only reason that has traditionally been the case is because for the past 7,000 or so years, the only way to maintain the integrity of any wealth ledger is to leverage violence (or the threat thereof).

The advent of Nakamoto Consensus changed that reality - rewrote the rules. We no longer require guards at the temples to protect the ledger, because it no longer needs to be centrally managed.
llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllol. every part of this gibberish is wrong, down to denigrating fiat money as being political while espousing a political screed that was probably copied verbatim from ron paul's '08 campaign.

Wrongfor10yrs LOL
Jun 20, 2021

by Shine
"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we've been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back."
-Carl Sagan

"The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple with. It may be counterintuitive. It may contradict deeply held prejudices. It may not be consonant with what we desperately want to be true. But our preferences do not determine what's true."
-Carl Sagan

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.
the only way bitcoin could fail is if the hashrate goes down

also, the hashrate doesn't matter lol imagine thinking it matters oh god literally 20% of the hashrate has evaporated literally today

Boxturret
Oct 3, 2013

Don't ask me about Sonic the Hedgehog diaper fetish
:ironicat:

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.
the only way bitcoin can fail is if the hashrate goes down

*20% of the hashrate evaporates*

i didn't mean today

Boxturret
Oct 3, 2013

Don't ask me about Sonic the Hedgehog diaper fetish
so you're telling me that this person has been wrong for 10 years?? that's impressive

Wrongfor10yrs LOL
Jun 20, 2021

by Shine

SubG posted:

the only way bitcoin could fail is if the hashrate goes down continually for 5 years straight

also, the hashrate doesn't matter lol imagine thinking it matters oh god literally 20% of the hashrate has evaporated literally today
Yes, you get it

kw0134
Apr 19, 2003

I buy feet pics🍆

Boxturret posted:

so you're telling me that this person has been wrong for 10 years?? that's impressive
He admits that it's too painful to change views because he was captured by a charlatan. So that's a great mea culpa.

Wrongfor10yrs LOL
Jun 20, 2021

by Shine

Boxturret posted:

so you're telling me that this person has been wrong for 10 years?? that's impressive
Impressive, and also, hilarious. The best part is not that SA has been wrong about Bitcoin for ten years, but that many of you will probably continue to be wrong about it for ten more, even as you watch it consume this world.

This poo poo sure hasn't aged well: https://www.somethingawful.com/news/attack-of-bitcoins/1/

Nor will any of the posts SA nocoiners make today.

Boxturret
Oct 3, 2013

Don't ask me about Sonic the Hedgehog diaper fetish
don't you see? sure the hashrate is at zero but on march 4th 2023 it jumped up slightly so I'm still right, bitcoin is alive and well :smuggo:

Wrongfor10yrs LOL
Jun 20, 2021

by Shine

Boxturret posted:

don't you see? sure the hashrate is at zero but on march 4th 2023 it jumped up slightly so I'm still right, bitcoin is alive and well :smuggo:
March 4th, 2023?

I think you mean March 4th, 14 AB (after Bitcoin) :smuggo:

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.
the space shuttle challenger didn't fail. it exploded, but it didn't explode continuously for five years straight

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

Wrongfor10yrs LOL posted:

If five years from now, one or more of the following are the case:

1. Bitcoin has a lower hashrate than it does today
2. Bitcoin has fewer nodes than it does today
3. Bitcoin processes less average daily volume (by wealth) than it does today
4. Bitcoin development ceases

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjYbsq3FXfM

Are you gonna toxx

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

Wrongfor10yrs LOL posted:

Impressive, and also, hilarious. The best part is not that SA has been wrong about Bitcoin for ten years, but that many of you will probably continue to be wrong about it for ten more, even as you watch it consume this world.

This poo poo sure hasn't aged well: https://www.somethingawful.com/news/attack-of-bitcoins/1/

Nor will any of the posts SA nocoiners make today.

Since it currently takes up the energy of Argentina yes it will eventually consume this world

Wrongfor10yrs LOL
Jun 20, 2021

by Shine

Alan Smithee posted:

Are you gonna toxx
Seems a bit superfluous at this point in our relationship, does it not, SA?

Alan Smithee posted:

Since it currently takes up the energy of Argentina yes it will eventually consume this world
https://www.coindesk.com/the-last-word-on-bitcoins-energy-consumption

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001

Wrongfor10yrs LOL posted:

Seems a bit superfluous at this point in our relationship, does it not, SA?
didn't know jeff was into findom

Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Slippery Tilde

Wrongfor10yrs LOL
Jun 20, 2021

by Shine
I'm comfortable leaving it to time to determine which one of us is the clown in this scenario. It's been working out just fine for me for the past six years here.







You can't outmeme me, acolyte of fiat slavery.

DominoKitten
Aug 7, 2012

Columbus wasn’t a genius, he was a cruel and greedy get rich invader who fomented genocide through spreading disease and enslavement.

Wrongfor10yrs LOL
Jun 20, 2021

by Shine

DominoKitten posted:

Columbus wasn’t a genius, he was a cruel and greedy get rich invader who fomented genocide through spreading disease and enslavement.

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AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

This thread really attracts the top goon minds.

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