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tbh for all that i love snyder's take on supes, he just looks sad compared to the original who gives no fucks about how his actions are spun and does the right thing
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Both Singer and Snyder supes are fundamentally responses to 9/11 which is why they take on such morose tones even when their messages are ultimately optimistic
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May 21, 2021 09:44
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Superman as a Darth Vader riff would be almost too on the nose given he'd literally be a slave to Darkseid. And way more interesting than most takes on Evil Superman.
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May 21, 2021 10:02
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Hodgepodge posted:tbh for all that i love snyder's take on supes, he just looks sad compared to the original who gives no fucks about how his actions are spun and does the right thing Well, I mean, that's how you'd do it if you were just gonna make him right all the time, you'd just unambiguously make him a communist.
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May 21, 2021 12:49
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Well, I mean, that's how you'd do it if you were just gonna make him right all the time, you'd just unambiguously make him a communist. I mean yeah, that’s what I want to see. Snyder’s was in the right direction in terms of that being the possible/implied logical endpoint of his/his world‘a character arc, but we never got the chance to get there. I want a people’s Superman completely assured in his rightness as a foregone conclusion, not as a pretense to have that rightness torn down in some cynical neoliberal commentary, but instead as a fixed point where the character development that takes place is those around him’s; humanity and subsequently the system’s. They will stumble, they will fall, but inevitably they join him in the sun. Real an ideal to strive for poo poo that results in a world fundamentally and dramatically changed for the better rather than incrementally restored to a marginally better version of the status quo
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May 21, 2021 16:11
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I'd be into a Red Son where lex luthor doesn't own superman with a quip Anyways, I dont mind Evil Superman stories, there's a lot of space to say different things about such, and I've seen very few Evil Superman stories I've disliked. The problematic ties to individualism superheroes have means there's a lot of leeway for lefty readings when there's a malevolent godlike force to rail against. I'm all for a Good Superman who is unapologetically political and reveling in it though. The scene where Superman spikes a US drone into the soil, but the entire movie.
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May 21, 2021 17:28
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It was cool to read Red Son and realise that's probably where the "one character uses a single sentence to stop another character in their tracks" plot point in BvS came from
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May 21, 2021 17:35
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Mandrel posted:I mean yeah, that’s what I want to see. Snyder’s was in the right direction in terms of that being the possible/implied logical endpoint of his/his world‘a character arc, but we never got the chance to get there. Shin Superman, but the political decisions happen first and then Superman steps into frame, arms folded, and says "No."
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May 21, 2021 18:12
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Superman as a Darth Vader riff would be almost too on the nose given he'd literally be a slave to Darkseid. And way more interesting than most takes on Evil Superman. I think it's pretty clearly the throughline. Man Of Steel established Superman as this virtuous and ethical person, then BVS goes into his ideological limitations and all-too-human weaknesses (e.g. his fear of being deemed 'too radical', the tendency to prioritize the safety of his family over all else...) . Justice League ends with an obvious ethical regression, where Clark 'embraces his human side'. The black suit is literally honoring the Superman who died, and consequently means "I am not Superman; I am trying to be, but I am only human". So, the question left hanging is: can we actually have a radical Superman? What would that look like? And, you know, wouldn't the Wayne Enterprises Justice League be evil from his point of view?
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May 21, 2021 19:39
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2house2fly posted:It was cool to read Red Son and realise that's probably where the "one character uses a single sentence to stop another character in their tracks" plot point in BvS came from To be fair, Snyder also does something similar in Watchmen, where the "final weapon" Veidt uses to stop Dr. Manhattan is turning on a wall of TVs. "Superhuman figure halted by a small, symbolic gesture" probably has a bunch of past precedent in comics and elsewhere.
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May 21, 2021 20:46
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:I think it's pretty clearly the throughline. Man Of Steel established Superman as this virtuous and ethical person, then BVS goes into his ideological limitations and all-too-human weaknesses (e.g. his fear of being deemed 'too radical', the tendency to prioritize the safety of his family over all else...) . There's also a link, possibly self-conscious, to Luke and Anakin dressing in black in their respective third films, as they stray towards the dark side.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:I think it's pretty clearly the throughline. Man Of Steel established Superman as this virtuous and ethical person, then BVS goes into his ideological limitations and all-too-human weaknesses (e.g. his fear of being deemed 'too radical', the tendency to prioritize the safety of his family over all else...) . It’s an interesting thought, I think for storytelling purposes you’ve probably already got your hands full grappling with a setting where Radical Superman is the only super there is. But if Batman and crew are around, then yeah. I would imagine any positive resolution of the Superman/Batman relationship here would have to involve Batman learning from Superman to eventually stop needing (pathologically) to be Batman and ultimately dissolving or otherwise transforming Wayne Enterprises into something else entirely and giving those financial resources completely to the people to transform society. I don’t think Communist Superman necessarily is Ascetic Monk Superman and requires Wayne to go full pauper to atone, since the goal is to lift all people up and the resources exist to do so. But he world he’s building can’t include the inherent systemic evil of billionaires hanging out just because they’re kind of well-intentioned, and any Batman that co-exists with his ideology understands that too and works towards that same goal. I guess a radicalized Batman who works the figurative institutional street level with Superman in his quest to root out individual and local vectors of systemic injustice would be something. Superman is functionally all powerful but he’s not omniscient and omnipresent. Somebody’s still gotta figure out where the Klan meeting is going down and identify those guys before they do damage, while Supes is off working the macro level, disassembling the state’s tools of violence monopolization or putting Raytheon’s board of directors into the phantom zone or whatever. I dunno, I’m probably thinking too small. I suppose humanity joining him in the sun includes Wayne and friends too, in an optimistic version of the story.
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May 21, 2021 22:29
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Justice League Unlimited made a point that Batman specifically recruited Green Arrow because he's basically the leftist vigilante Batman, and the kind of gadfly they need, though they only went so far with that.
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May 22, 2021 07:07
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Grendels Dad posted:Shin Superman, but the political decisions happen first and then Superman steps into frame, arms folded, and says "No." This is just Daddy Superman Makes Everything Right on the other side of the line.
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May 23, 2021 21:14
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Red Son but he lands in the Khmer Rouge instead.
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May 23, 2021 21:20
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Figures that Robot Chicken is the only thing I know of that makes anything out of Superman and Santa being neighbours.
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May 24, 2021 10:39
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Figures that Robot Chicken is the only thing I know of that makes anything out of Superman and Santa being neighbours. They did Superman Red, Superman Blue, but not Superman White Christmas
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May 25, 2021 01:17
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Figures that Robot Chicken is the only thing I know of that makes anything out of Superman and Santa being neighbours. 
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May 25, 2021 22:03
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Is that a reindeer skin lmao
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May 26, 2021 03:56
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Blood Boils posted:Is that a reindeer skin lmao Good to see DC showing healthy kink in relationships
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May 26, 2021 04:57
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Can someone explain why my two dad's are upset with each other in that strip?
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May 26, 2021 15:06
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Yeah what issue is that lol
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May 26, 2021 21:57
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Mantis42 posted:Red Son but he lands in the Khmer Rouge instead.
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mastershakeman posted:Can get a solid montage out of how to hide his identity in a society where eyeglasses are banned look there are two white dudes in Cambodia, Ngyuen Thent and the Superman
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KVeezy3 posted:Can someone explain why my two dad's are upset with each other in that strip? Silver Age plots are never quite what the covers promise, but often still some absolutely wild poo poo.
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May 27, 2021 15:41
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Silver Age plots are never quite what the covers promise, but often still some absolutely wild poo poo. I have heard that the cover artists used to make the most outlandish covers to gently caress with the writers. You figure they'd be the comics equivalent of clickbait. After reading a lot of Jimmy Oleson comics, I can attest that the stories are often crazier than what the cover suggests.
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May 27, 2021 15:45
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John Des Jardin, who is Zack’s VFX supervisor, said that the Flash time travel sequence is the first thing WB cut after Snyder left because the execs didn’t understand it. https://youtu.be/uhKEbMK8OBc
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Mr. Apollo posted:John Des Jardin, who is Zack’s VFX supervisor, said that the Flash time travel sequence is the first thing WB cut after Snyder left because the execs didn’t understand it. The Warner Brothers need take control of their studio back and fire everyone
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Mr. Apollo posted:John Des Jardin, who is Zack’s VFX supervisor, said that the Flash time travel sequence is the first thing WB cut after Snyder left because the execs didn’t understand it. From the sounds of it, that sequence went to entirely a different studio for the Snyder Cut. The studio I was at during JL shut down at the end of 2019, but still has other locations open in other countries, so I assumed the work just to one of them. But if the Flash sequence went somewhere else, it's possible the entire third act had to be done from scratch by other vendors, which is insane for 7 months of work.
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Jerk McJerkface posted:The Warner Brothers need take control of their studio back and fire everyone I can picture Yakko, Wakko and Dot doing a better job at management. Detective No. 27 posted:I have heard that the cover artists used to make the most outlandish covers to gently caress with the writers. It's pretty funny but impressive that they used what you'd think would be a bottom-of-the-barrel spinoff series featuring a deliberately ridiculously average guy to go full ham with worldbuilding and crazy cosmic concepts like the New Gods.
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KVeezy3 posted:Can someone explain why my two dad's are upset with each other in that strip? He’s giving him a massage.
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Jerk McJerkface posted:The Warner Brothers need take control of their studio back and fire everyone Aren't they dead But yes, even so. Dead men or fictional cartoon characters could run a studio better than Hamada and Johns et al
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https://twitter.com/ZackSnyder/status/1408071741172158488?s=19 Hold on to your butts, the 4k blu-ray got a release date!
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:So, the question left hanging is: can we actually have a radical Superman? What would that look like? And, you know, wouldn't the Wayne Enterprises Justice League be evil from his point of view?
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Jimbot posted:https://twitter.com/ZackSnyder/status/1408071741172158488?s=19 Two days before I turn 40...00. Thank you, Zack.
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Grendels Dad posted:Two days before I turn 40...00. Thank you, Zack. celebrating 40 w/ a 4 hour 4K
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smoobles posted:celebrating 40 w/ a 4 hour 4K One of the few posts I've read that I would describe as "buttery". That is some delicious alliteration, thanks.
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Halloween Jack posted:Yeah, the reason "Evil Superman" is meaningless is that what's actually scary is "Good Superman" and the fallout from that. There was some short film about this like 10 years ago, about a faceless emotionless alien vigilante who would basically drop minor criminals to their deaths. It was pretty cool, and I feel like the utter dehumanisation of it was a different take from the other evil Superman takes I've seen.
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That's still kind of dancing around the really scary outcome, which is just Superman with the moral compass of an American boy from Kansas. 
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:That's still kind of dancing around the really scary outcome, which is just Superman with the moral compass of an American boy from Kansas. Superman confidently standing in front of a burning library that he just eye-lasered, assuring us all it was full of nothing but books on critical race theory.
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