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opm does have a really fun side cast but also like. a lot of why that side cast are fun is how they play off saitama. like in the more detailed/anime stuff it's funny that tatsumaki is this super chuuni ungodly powerful esper girl but then saitama walks in and she goes tiny cartoon gremlin mode
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# ? Jun 25, 2021 21:51 |
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The Colonel posted:do you mean with the gag where the elf gets high on mushrooms and chases her through a forest while she shouts about how not gay she is That's the gag, yes. The anime cuts it down to just a "get away, you're full of poison" reaction and then nuking her with magic. However the manga has her run off through the forest because it's "not safe" for Azsuna's chastity to touch the elf to dispel her, while shouting at least twice that she is 100% not gay. I would have just rolled my eyes over that and moved on, but the series loves to keep teasing that maybe THIS new character will start off a romance just to set up another bad gag. Which sucks, because when Witch is dealing with found families and making gags about the gap between expectations and reality it's pretty good, but when it's baiting it's just blech. Captain Invictus posted:it's total eradication regardless of whether they're combatants or not, so I guess? I'm pretty sure they also capture and torture the king who ordered the war in the first place and eventually he gets turned into a...I think LITERAL bucket of body parts, but still alive? or something hosed up like that? Not trying to call you out specifically, but this is the thing that always gets me with slime discourse. The attack part always gets blown out of proportion (it's not genocide, he doesn't kill non-combatants because fantasy armies don't bring the kind of logistical support they would need, he doesn't follow them home and wipe them out to the last person, etc) when it's the whole "let's ignore my subordinates torturing people" and "set's start a coup and set up a puppet government" bits that are the real reprehensible and tonally dissonant parts.
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# ? Jun 25, 2021 22:46 |
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Tales of Woe posted:magia record 2 starts 7/31 Neat, well that addresses my concerns about no PV or air da-- Anime News Network posted:Compilations of the first season will air for three weeks prior to the second season's debut, starting on July 3. In addition, the second season will get a special program on July 24. The website also announced that the third and final season, which has the subtitle Final Season -Asaki Yume no Akatsuki- (Dawn of Light Dreams), will debut at the end of 2021. Wait, WHAT? The anime is starting almost a month after the season start proper, and they're inserting three compilations beforehand? Either this is some genius marketing strategy to lead into a movie, or more likely this is an indication that S2 is so unfinished that they're splitting it into multiple parts and buying time even before the season starts. Jesus Christ. Welp, I said I'd watch it, so time to strap in I guess.
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# ? Jun 25, 2021 23:11 |
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if slime witch wasn't really interested in exploring romantic relationships and just didn't really comment on it i'd be fine with it but yeah the jokes it makes about it legitimately feel like. super dated even. like the kind of stuff i'd see in some mediocre manga from 2004, not, 2017
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# ? Jun 25, 2021 23:12 |
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Arist posted:I mean, the actual reason that One Punch Man works beyond simple parody from what I've seen is that much of the story does not involve and is not about Saitama. Exactly this. To put it another way, there is a reason that every major arc spends a significant portion of time on people who are not Saitama doing things away from Saitama that are generally adjacent to Saitama but not involving Saitama. The videogame did it right, Saitama was essentially a fallback condition where if your OC character couldn't win eventually Saitama would get there and instantly solve the problem. Mentat Radnor posted:Like many of the MCs that he's a mockery of, Saitama hasn't really earned his OP-ness, and his workout routine is another great gag. Unlike most OPMCs, he's kinda a failed doofus in every aspect of life besides punching stuff. No wealth or social power, no recognition of his amazing deeds, no harem of suitors or following of devotees besides Genos. I love ONE's writing. Also this, Saitama is kind of a dweeb. And yet he is a hero, and the hero of the story, and used as a way to talk about heroism. One of the recurring things in the series is the way that Saitama is used as a lens to talk about ideals of heroism and what truly makes a person a hero, and it often shows that the reason Saitama should be considered a hero is for things COMPLETELY UNRELATED to being able to beat anyone in a single punch. It's not just that he gets no real reward or recognition for his feats, it's that he doesn't really care either way because he's a hero and that's not really what's important about being a hero. Yeah, obviously it's a good thing in most situations that Saitama can just delete the most powerful bad guy threatening the world when he gets around to it, but that's almost unimportant to the series when it gets around to being a think piece on superheroes. Saitama being the invincible One Punch Man was essentially a bait and switch. Mob Psycho 100 was kind of the same deal. Mob wasn't nearly as explicitly overpowered as Saitama is, but the whole point of the series in a lot of respects was that Mob being this crazy, ultra-powerful psychic did not actually do him any favors. The whole arc of the series was showing him grow as a person and form relationships and make friends and build his own self-confidence, and him being basically Akira was essentially unrelated to that.
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# ? Jun 25, 2021 23:40 |
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Agreed with everyone's points about OPM. The supporting cast now carries the series and they're all very entertaining. I just love how it's all backed by the knowledge that Saitama could come and save everyone if he wasn't busy playing video games, or grocery shopping, or getting sidetracked by any number of things. Comedy through tragedy or something. Sorry for the derail, I haven't watched the slime show.
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# ? Jun 26, 2021 00:04 |
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Malsangoroth posted:Neat, well that addresses my concerns about no PV or air da-- i don't think any of this is that unusual? every "split cour" show is just the producers pushing the first half out early while they finish the second half, it's a standard practice these days. doesn't mean it can't be a troubled production but i don't think this indicates anything as such yet.
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# ? Jun 26, 2021 00:05 |
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I'd be surprised if there were any truly untroubled production nowadays (relative to even a few years ago) given how much is being produced and how limited the number of skilled animators is. Shifting the dates back may be a necessary strategy to spread out the work more, and in the era of streaming it's probably not as important to stick to the TV season schedule.
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# ? Jun 26, 2021 00:11 |
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This season Dynazenon was completely finished pretty early. I think it was just a few weeks into airing or even before.
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# ? Jun 26, 2021 00:13 |
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Motto posted:This season Dynazenon was completely finished pretty early. I think it was just a few weeks into airing or even before. A month plus, minimum. It went even smoother than Gridman, and that one was an absurdly calm ride. They had nearly complete animation ready by the time they did voiceover.
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# ? Jun 26, 2021 00:15 |
chiasaur11 posted:A month plus, minimum. It went even smoother than Gridman, and that one was an absurdly calm ride. They had nearly complete animation ready by the time they did voiceover. Wait, don't they normally do voiceover first then animate to that?
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# ? Jun 26, 2021 00:54 |
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Not in Japan, apparently! That's nuts to me every time I hear it.
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# ? Jun 26, 2021 00:55 |
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no, that's a rarity
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Arist posted:Not in Japan, apparently! That's nuts to me every time I hear it. Wild, that must really limit the freedom of the VA's to emote and act to the animation.
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# ? Jun 26, 2021 00:56 |
oddtaxi did voices first
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# ? Jun 26, 2021 00:58 |
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It's one of the reasons why Akira is such a technical marvel, they animated the lip flaps to match the actual mouth movements necessary for a real person to actually say the lines.
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# ? Jun 26, 2021 01:04 |
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I think this season will mostly be catch up for me with how stacked the last few have been. Though I'm wildly excited for Re Main to give water polo the same love the Free did you swimming. Here's hoping anyway. One by one my hobbies are getting anime and I love it.
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# ? Jun 26, 2021 01:30 |
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Malsangoroth posted:Neat, well that addresses my concerns about no PV or air da-- A better strategy than Spider used, which was to stop animating things after the first cour and still not be able to complete the season as scheduled.
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# ? Jun 26, 2021 01:44 |
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Question about Super Cub; I'd like to hear this, too. It was a rather O_O moment in the episode. quote:Also something really sweet about this one; It's almost entirely in bright high-contrast colours
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# ? Jun 26, 2021 01:53 |
reiko is an old man at heart, that's just what makes her cool
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# ? Jun 26, 2021 02:03 |
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the greatest voice acting trick in anime is still how the symphogear cast emotes while singing, since the gimmick is singing during action scenes. so if they get hit they cut themselves off mid-line, etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2D761sPLmg&t=12s Malsangoroth posted:Wait, WHAT? The anime is starting almost a month after the season start proper, and they're inserting three compilations beforehand? Either this is some genius marketing strategy to lead into a movie, or more likely this is an indication that S2 is so unfinished that they're splitting it into multiple parts and buying time even before the season starts. Jesus Christ. Welp, I said I'd watch it, so time to strap in I guess.
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# ? Jun 26, 2021 02:44 |
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decent odds that s2/final of magireco is a similar situation to last encore where the last eps are delayed but they make them really pretty half a year down the road also there's already a madoka movie to market towards but most importantly, when are they announcing luminous witches' airdate
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# ? Jun 26, 2021 02:55 |
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kater posted:A better strategy than Spider used, which was to stop animating things after the first cour and still not be able to complete the season as scheduled. I am entirely unsurprised that the show had animation problems.
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# ? Jun 26, 2021 03:20 |
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Nitrousoxide posted:Wild, that must really limit the freedom of the VA's to emote and act to the animation. There's still room to improvise and emote, and for VAs to change the direction of things (the famous "Yes, I'm Kazuma" from Konosuba was improv, Gaelio on Iron Blooded Orphans impressed Mari Okada enough that Ein was spared until the end of the first season just so Gaelio would have someone to play off) but yeah. The voicing has to play to the animation most of the time rather than the other way around. That said, it also allows tighter matching of sound effects to the animation, so you take the rough with the smooth. Also, looking things up, Gridman started airing in October 2018. It finished production at the end of that month. Dynazenon, meanwhile, finished before it started. It's kind of remarkable.
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# ? Jun 26, 2021 04:03 |
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Both Masaya Matsukaze and Yuuma Uchida also had pretty good chemistry and it shows on the scenes they have as Gaelio and Ein.
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# ? Jun 26, 2021 04:15 |
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The Black Stones posted:I am entirely unsurprised that the show had animation problems. You might be surprised by just how bad it got. https://i.imgur.com/vGMP8Ch.mp4 Look at it. You were so distracted by the badly tiling textures, you didn't even notice that the characters on the right are 2d sprites. Bonus: this scene takes place in a forest, but they're re-using the desert scene, which they already re-used for another battle, in a completely different place, earlier that episode.
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# ? Jun 26, 2021 05:10 |
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Long story short, Shin Itagaki has an exceedingly narrow skillset, and asking him to work outside it is exceedingly unwise.
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# ? Jun 26, 2021 05:13 |
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Omnicrom posted:It's one of the reasons why Akira is such a technical marvel, they animated the lip flaps to match the actual mouth movements necessary for a real person to actually say the lines. Akira was nuts, if you saw like, the top half of a cowboy get shot on a tv, someone animated the entire cowboy to make sure they got the cowboy getting shot just right.
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# ? Jun 26, 2021 05:56 |
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Darth Walrus posted:Long story short, Shin Itagaki has an exceedingly narrow skillset, and asking him to work outside it is exceedingly unwise. feel like it might be a bit shortsighted to blame a guy for all the issues of productions he's been on that have notoriously had insanely bad scheduling from higher ups, involved things he's not really skilled in (cg), or been extremely cheap licensed tie-ins
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# ? Jun 26, 2021 06:04 |
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The Colonel posted:feel like it might be a bit shortsighted to blame a guy for all the issues of productions he's been on that have notoriously had insanely bad scheduling from higher ups, involved things he's not really skilled in (cg), or been extremely cheap licensed tie-ins People keep going “look, it can’t be his fault, he doesn’t have budget/experience/insert x reason here” He’s had 3 projects in a row now where there’s been animation mistakes ahoy, and really really bad ones. Now, are all the problems on him? Definitely not, but at this point I think we can safely say that he definitely has issues with directing and it will show up very obviously in his shows. What causes it? I don’t know, but if you’re watching a show that Shin Itagaki is directing you should expect that something will happen to the animation. I’m just saying when people see his name attached to any future projects I’d take that as a sign that it’s probably not going to be well animated.
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# ? Jun 26, 2021 06:20 |
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The Black Stones posted:He’s had 3 projects in a row now where there’s been animation mistakes ahoy, and really really bad ones.
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# ? Jun 26, 2021 06:24 |
spider got delayed how many times? i think the project was just loving cursed
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# ? Jun 26, 2021 06:25 |
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GorfZaplen posted:Akira was nuts, if you saw like, the top half of a cowboy get shot on a tv, someone animated the entire cowboy to make sure they got the cowboy getting shot just right. They invented how many colors for that? It was a lot of colors. There's a reason the film, despite being the sixth highest grossing film of the year in Japan, was barely a financial success at its initial release. Nothing like it before, nothing like it since.
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# ? Jun 26, 2021 06:25 |
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Wark Say posted:Berserk, Spider... what's the third one? Cop Craft.
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# ? Jun 26, 2021 06:47 |
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The Black Stones posted:Cop Craft. Cop Craft at least had the excuse that they had to change an arc when it was the middle of airing because of the Kyoani arson. (Although, I think I remember some pretty horrible animation that occurred before that arc.)
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# ? Jun 26, 2021 07:16 |
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i personally just see no reason to blame one guy for even just, the majority of his shows' problems when the anime industry is in as much of a mess as it is and the most infamous thing the guy's worked on, is notable for how thoroughly hosed its entire production schedule was because of industry problems. he might have worked on a lot of messes but like. any productions these days that come away clean at all are a loving miracle to begin with like wonder egg priority had a very talented staff and that show loving. crumpled. it melted. it collapsed. an exceptionally talented animation team who had spent a long time planning out their course in advance, could not save its production issues. one of my favorite anime in recent years was flip flappers and that show literally only got finished because its director was an absolute beast and was willing to solo key animate entire episodes when things got tight The Colonel fucked around with this message at 07:29 on Jun 26, 2021 |
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The Black Stones posted:People keep going “look, it can’t be his fault, he doesn’t have budget/experience/insert x reason here”
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# ? Jun 26, 2021 07:39 |
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like ben-to and the devil may cry anime were totally fine, the dmc anime was kinda stiff direction-wise but the entire thing was a bit stiff writing and concept wise too. and berserk 2016 had some bad directorial choices but also some good ones, it was pretty clearly because of a director that wasn't used to cg but was perfectly competent when it came to 2d animation. and even in that terrible shot from spider that was posted up thread, the actual shot composition and idea there is totally fine. i dont think the director said 'and make sure to reuse the terrible ps2 desert map even though the characters are in a forest.' and frankly if he did i admire his bold creative vision.
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# ? Jun 26, 2021 07:42 |
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Vahtooch posted:I think this season will mostly be catch up for me with how stacked the last few have been. Yeah, I have to catch up on a bunch of things. Also, the season thread should be up either tonight or tomorrow. Thanks for your patience everyone.
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Maxwell Adams posted:You might be surprised by just how bad it got. On the plus side, the enormous public gently caress up of missing the finale may finally doom this lovely studio.
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