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i hate rooting for these assholes. i love them, but i hate it. van dijk being out obviously sucks but de ligt being out is arguably worse since it fucks with how they've been preparing. everyone screaming about 5-3-2 vs 4-3-3. FDB sucks but everyone at NOS and IV absolutely needs to shut the gently caress up for two seconds. uhhh lemme think. depay seems to finally be getting better? and wergourst and malen have some good potential. but strength is still in the back i guess. whatever. dumfries looked both really good and really annoying against ukraine. constantly open but unable to execute until he could put the game away. i'll be happy if the make it to the quarterfinals. i mean i won't be happy, because they're going to lose. but i'll pretendl ike im happy (i wont even pretend) lets place bets on what retreads they want to hire after they sack de boer. i'm putting money on either van basten or hiddink whatever. it doesnt matter. none of this matters.
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# ? Jun 13, 2021 22:39 |
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# ? Mar 29, 2024 01:59 |
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unban oliwan but train him to the swiss thread
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# ? Jun 13, 2021 22:40 |
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on the other hand, don't unban him
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# ? Jun 14, 2021 06:42 |
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Swiss thread is thataway
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# ? Jun 14, 2021 07:00 |
Tokyo Sexwale posted:on the other hand, don't unban him
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# ? Jun 14, 2021 08:31 |
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Tokyo Sexwale posted:on the other hand, don't unban him
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# ? Jun 14, 2021 15:03 |
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the austria game was a lot better defensively, de ligt back in the lineup really obviously helped. otherwise it looked like austria did a pretty good job of pressing up and making life difficult for the intermediate passing game. unfortunately for them thats basically all they could do, basically every attack got snuffed out immediately. never felt like they ever threatened, unlike the ukraine game where, even though we were dominating posession, there were more than a couple of opportunities for them. definitely felt like one of those games where one play over the top was going to really punish austria, and while not exactly that, the depay to malen ball was absolutely beautiful and it was very cathartic to see them not gently caress up the finish for once. dumfries looks great and someone's going to overpay him lol. austria probably should've gotten a penalty before the dutch one but they never bothered replaying it so i didn't get a good look. yeah pretty solid stuff overall. now its really making me wish virgil was in. i wasn't expecting much before hand but now its like 'oh okay they can play some pretty sound football. probably could sniff the QF if he was in'. otoh what they need more than virgil is either for depiss to not gently caress up every golden opportunity or for 2010 robben to loving drop out of the sky. whatever.
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# ? Jun 19, 2021 02:18 |
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What difference would van dijk make in that back three compared to Blind? At least with ol' slowpoke there's always an outlet with a nice pass, which helps a ton against all those packed midfields. I'd agree that te ligt / de vrij / van dijk is pretty much the ideal back three in modern football, but not with those guys on the flanks and de roon in front. e: thinking on it some more, I wonder if that back three with Malacia and Domfries/Hateboer or whoever plus Gravenbergh/de Jong in front could bring it home next year Koesj fucked around with this message at 13:45 on Jun 19, 2021 |
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Koesj posted:What difference would van dijk make in that back three compared to Blind? At least with ol' slowpoke there's always an outlet with a nice pass, which helps a ton against all those packed midfields. I'd agree that te ligt / de vrij / van dijk is pretty much the ideal back three in modern football, but not with those guys on the flanks and de roon in front. yeah agreed. not like you dont always want your best players out there but its pretty obvious how much de ligt being back there has solidified things that its hard to say virgil being out is such an issue. dumfries has been a revelation on the wing and depays versatility has made up for his poo poo striking. they’re definitely more creating chances more freely than i thought they would. i also really like malen and him starting instead of werghourst (or even brought on early at half time) would make for a much faster counter breaking team. still hope some world class striker gets unearthed in the next 6 months though.
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# ? Jun 21, 2021 20:06 |
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I thought Dumfries played like total poo poo in the first 45 minutes of the first match the Netherlands played and since then he's been really great.
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# ? Jun 21, 2021 20:24 |
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Gigi Galli posted:I thought Dumfries played like total poo poo in the first 45 minutes of the first match the Netherlands played and since then he's been really great. He did everything right except for the finish, as per the standards of the team lol
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# ? Jun 21, 2021 20:36 |
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Gigi Galli posted:I thought Dumfries played like total poo poo in the first 45 minutes of the first match the Netherlands played and since then he's been really great. Imagine Hateboer or Goossens but with even less technical ability, i.e. he’s fine as a modern fullback/wingback. I’d also rather have him go to Serie A to get some defensive steel drilled into him rather than a hosed up chaosleague like the BPL.
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# ? Jun 21, 2021 20:40 |
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Memphis got signed by Barcelona so he can't be that bad
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# ? Jun 21, 2021 20:41 |
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poty posted:Memphis got signed by Barcelona so he can't be that bad
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# ? Jun 21, 2021 20:44 |
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I'm getting heavy 2008 vibes from this tournament. Although tbf we actually had a really good team then. Right now we're just kind of meh
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# ? Jun 23, 2021 09:03 |
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Elliptical Dick posted:I'm getting heavy 2008 vibes from this tournament. Although tbf we actually had a really good team then. Right now we're just kind of meh Yeah 2008 was more like the team peaking and choking. It wasn't as bad of a group as it looked on paper - France wasn't great and I think that was part of their post 2006 explosion. Italy was also trending down after they'd won it, for whatever reason. You just never expect us to win those games, and especially that comfortably. But otherwise it was sort of like 'oh they're finally living up to the talent they have' before making GBS threads the bed. This is more like 'oh poo poo that's not as ugly as I was expecting' outside of some shaky defending against Ukraine. (seriously, the space afforded here is criminal, and everyone is looking at someone else thinking they're supposed to fill it. even if requires a beautiful low percentage strike) I was just hoping they wouldn't embarrass themselves and, while there's still time left for that, they mostly haven't. poo poo, some of the pre tournament predictions had them finishing second or even third. If they win another game, then the whole thing was a big success. In 2008, you felt like they should've at least made the finals.
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# ? Jun 23, 2021 15:43 |
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Some of the expectations depend on who they face in R16 though. I think the only combinations left are the Czech, and whoever's third in Group F (which feels like it could be any combination of teams).
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Borsche69 posted:Some of the expectations depend on who they face in R16 though. I think the only combinations left are the Czech, and whoever's third in Group F (which feels like it could be any combination of teams). Correct. If Slovakia v Spain does not end in a draw and Poland does not win, NL plays Czechia in the round of 16. In all other scenarios it's #3 from Group F according to an article I read on nos.nl
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# ? Jun 23, 2021 16:12 |
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Elliptical Dick posted:Correct. If Slovakia v Spain does not end in a draw and Poland does not win, NL plays Czechia in the round of 16. In all other scenarios it's #3 from Group F according to an article I read on nos.nl I posted this in the other thread but I hate best third place teams poo poo so much lol
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# ? Jun 23, 2021 16:20 |
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Borsche69 posted:I posted this in the other thread but I hate best third place teams poo poo so much lol It's hella dumb op
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# ? Jun 23, 2021 16:23 |
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NL - Czechia it is
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# ? Jun 23, 2021 18:53 |
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That's cool, should be a fun game. I don't really have any thoughts on how Czechia have done so far, pretty meh overall I guess. I think we can beat them probably comfortably but more important is that if I had to lose, I would rather lose to them than Portugal/Germany/France again.
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# ? Jun 23, 2021 19:14 |
lol of course it's the Germans it was always going to be the Germans
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# ? Jun 23, 2021 23:08 |
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Bundy posted:lol of course it's the Germans it was always going to be the Germans Its cool cause Germany look like total poo poo but its also England so who knows. For some reason I'm expecting either team to lose to Sweden on some last second set piece in the quarterfinals lol
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# ? Jun 24, 2021 00:00 |
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piece of poo poo team lived up to expectations. or maybe exceeded them, which might be worse lol
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# ? Jun 27, 2021 19:01 |
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Borsche69 posted:lets place bets on what retreads they want to hire after they sack de boer. i'm putting money on either van basten or hiddink https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV-GJ9iNX8g
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# ? Jun 27, 2021 19:08 |
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can't even really blame this on fdb, at least he's smart enough to play a system for hte players he has instead of the players he wants
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# ? Jun 27, 2021 19:10 |
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Bring Advocaat out of retirement for the 20th time just for lols
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# ? Jun 27, 2021 19:10 |
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why not simply dig Cruijff up and prop him on the bench for moral support? won't need a coach then
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# ? Jun 27, 2021 19:16 |
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Why not have Daley Blind run a coaching/playing double for the next WC, it's not as if it'd change much for our chances. Honestly I'd rather try a foreign coach, but that seems to be not done.
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An insane mind posted:Why not have Daley Blind run a coaching/playing double for the next WC, it's not as if it'd change much for our chances. I've been banging the drum for a foreign coach since after 2014. It's not just player development that has regressed, but different minded coaches immediately get stomped out at every level. Frankly just burn down the KNVB and start over
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# ? Jun 27, 2021 19:52 |
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Borsche69 posted:I've been banging the drum for a foreign coach since after 2014. It's not just player development that has regressed, but different minded coaches immediately get stomped out at every level. Frankly just burn down the KNVB and start over Exactly, we keep going back to guys who as footballers rightly got praise for being great footballers, but what do they bring to the current Dutch team as a coach that a foreign coach couldn't do better? But when I mention that I just don't understand the dutch football mentality.
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# ? Jun 27, 2021 20:09 |
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I think they should try and get Erik ten Hag or someone like that who has actually proved to be a successful innovator. Someone who makes players better but I'm pretty sure FdB will remain in place and we will fail to qualify for the World Cup
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# ? Jun 27, 2021 20:21 |
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Imagining an alternative reality where the 2020 Euros are held in 2020, Van Dijk is fully fit and Koeman is still the coach...
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# ? Jun 27, 2021 20:21 |
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An insane mind posted:Exactly, we keep going back to guys who as footballers rightly got praise for being great footballers, but what do they bring to the current Dutch team as a coach that a foreign coach couldn't do better? But when I mention that I just don't understand the dutch football mentality. Well to a lot of these dudes the game was invented in 74 and perfected in 88 and there's no other possible way to play the game. And they think they've perfected the player development system so they can always just find another guy to shoehorn into their system. Of course then they quietly forget about all the managers before 74 that taught them football as they know it.
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# ? Jun 27, 2021 20:27 |
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It doesn't help that, in traditional Dutch fashion, I'm sure all the managers at every level absolutely hate the KNVB and will always springboard from the national team to the first job offer they get so they can tell them to gently caress off.
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# ? Jun 27, 2021 20:29 |
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Borsche69 posted:It doesn't help that, in traditional Dutch fashion, I'm sure all the managers at every level absolutely hate the KNVB and will always springboard from the national team to the first job offer they get so they can tell them to gently caress off. True
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# ? Jun 27, 2021 20:35 |
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Elliptical Dick posted:I think they should try and get Erik ten Hag or someone like that who has actually proved to be a successful innovator. Someone who makes players better but I'm pretty sure FdB will remain in place and we will fail to qualify for the World Cup What players has ten Hag made better
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# ? Jun 27, 2021 22:44 |
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belgend posted:What players has ten Hag made better Right I could go through a list but that seems kinda pointless. Ten Hag has made teams better than the sum of their parts had a right to be. Do you disagree?
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Elliptical Dick posted:Right I could go through a list Well go on then
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