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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:It wasn't a single judge, it was the state Supreme Court. The same body that had indicated they wanted to overturn the conviction and were looking for a reason. So really this doesn't feel great for anyone that isn't Cosby. When did they indicate that they wanted to overturn the conviction? Actually asking, not trying to make a point, because I don’t know. Skwirl posted:It sucks a rapist got out of jail early, but maybe the prosecutors should follow the loving law when prosecuting cases?  We really shouldn’t side with prosecutors who break the law just because they do so against someone we don’t like or someone we’ve already decided is guilty. Like, yeah, Cosby is a piece of poo poo. But that doesn’t mean we should cheer on cops.
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Skwirl posted:Bill Cosby is a monster, but I don't think the solution is making cops and prosecutors less accountable for their actions when they also violate the law. Would be way more convincing if there was any reason to believe this would make them more accountable in general instead of Only With Rich People Specifically.
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graventy posted:It's super cool that I can basically bribe a prosecutor to agree not to charge me and then I can never be charged for that crime. That's the only message I'm taking from this. Yup! Our legal system has deep flaws that the rich exploit so that they can openly commit crimes without free of any sort of punishment ever!
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Pirate Jet posted:If the rule brought you to this, then what use was the rule? Prosecutors not following the rules is what brought us to this. Do you know what the word "rule" means? graventy posted:Oh? Will the prosecutor be charged for this incredible misconduct? Almost certainly not, which obviously means no one should ever be allowed to appeal their case based on misconduct of the prosecutor.
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thrawn527 posted:When did they indicate that they wanted to overturn the conviction? Actually asking, not trying to make a point, because I don’t know. https://www.inquirer.com/news/bill-cosby-supreme-court-appeal-pennsylvania-andrea-constand-janice-dickinson-20201201.html I took it as an implication, the Judges presiding over the appeal were very upset that the prosecution called women Cosby had allegedly assaulted in the past as witnesses.
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MonsieurChoc posted:Meanwhile Britney isn't free. https://twitter.com/alexsalvinews/status/1410395332769464323 Continuing the poo poo day in stride, and I'm confident skwirl and company will defend this insanity too for some reason
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Chris James 2 posted:https://twitter.com/alexsalvinews/status/1410395332769464323 Right, because I said the people in charge of prosecuting the law should also follow it I'm gonna defend this bullshit. The people prosecuting Bill Cosby hosed up and he could afford lawyers able to effectively point that out. That's what loving happened. I'm not happy he isn't in jail, but I understand why he isn't. What's happening to Brittney Spears is a perfect example of why we need strict rules that judges and prosecutors have to follow, the conservatorship system seems to have way too much leeway in allowing judges to do whatever they feel like.
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evilweasel posted:2005: A victim reports she was raped by Cosby The DA at the time (Castor) loudly announces he has declined to prosecute and has determined no charges will be filed, ever. evilweasel posted:So I basically summarized the decision above, but basically it was "although the prosecutor didn't have the power to forever promise Cosby would not be indicted, because Cosby thought he did and reasonably relied on it to his detriment in his civil trial by not invoking the 5th in his civil trial, that promise is binding on Pennsylvania despite the DA not having the power to make that promise, and Cosby may never be prosecuted even if the evidence is excluded." tl;dr: Bruce Castor is a tremendous fuckwit, Kevin Steele did the best he could (despite not having a chance), and the PA Court was actively phishing for an acquittal Nissin Cup Nudist fucked around with this message at 02:07 on Jul 1, 2021 |
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Chris James 2 posted:https://twitter.com/alexsalvinews/status/1410395332769464323 Our legal system is a loving joke.
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graventy posted:It's super cool that I can basically bribe a prosecutor to agree not to charge me and then I can never be charged for that crime. That's the only message I'm taking from this. Tell that to the victims that testified despite getting death threats. Jesus christ thats who we should care about.
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There is a baseball player named Trevor Bauer who pitches for the LA Dodgers - just signed this past year for a tremendously insane sum of money. Some extremely, horrifically disgusting stuff just came out about him in this subscription-only article from dweeby sports publication The Athletic. Crossposting this from the MLB news/views thread (where everyone is appropriately mortified/horrified): https://theathletic.com/2682479/202..._shared_article quote:A domestic violence restraining order filed against Dodgers pitcher Trevor Bauer and executed on June 28 includes multiple graphic images from the woman who filed the request. The woman, in the 67-page ex-parte document, said that Bauer assaulted her on two different occasions. Together, the woman said those two incidents included Bauer punching her in the face, vagina, and buttocks, sticking his fingers down her throat, and strangling her to the point where she lost consciousness multiple times. Neither MLB nor the LA Dodgers have taken any action yet. Bauer's lawyer made a statement yesterday stating that it was just "rough sex" that was completely consensual, but clearly this is NOT that. The woman in question apparently has a great deal of corroborating texts, pictures, even recorded phone calls with Bauer. Bauer is set to make his next start for the Dodgers on July 4th still as of now, which I can only imagine would be a huge mistake and cause a raft of much deserved poo poo to come down on the organization. This is some seriously horrific poo poo. kaworu fucked around with this message at 02:23 on Jul 1, 2021 |
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Skwirl posted:Prosecutors not following the rules is what brought us to this. Do you know what the word "rule" means? Nobody is “cheering on the cops” in this, there’s a communal acknowledgement of how hosed up it is that the legal system encourages this kind of 4D chess bargain-making, let alone what it says that the prosecutors thought they wouldn’t get a criminal conviction on a dude who has thirty-seven accusations against him, and you need to know what it looks like when you butt into that conversation with “yeah that sucks but them’s the breaks!” Skwirl posted:Do you know what the word "rule" means? What am I supposed to say to this other than “gently caress you, too?”
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I got accused of calling for a benevolent despot for saying that if laws cannot deliver justice, they shouldn't be obeyed and, in fact, such regimes should be destroyed. You don't have to "well actually" any of this poo poo.
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While I agree that judges shouldn’t be able do whatever they want, I also think Bill Cosby shouldn’t be able to do whatever he wants. How can I possibly contain the eternal struggle of these two wolves inside me? Truly, it is a mystery…
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Carthag Tuek posted:yeah, its wild. huge swathes of the western world still did state eugenics way past when ww2 made it "unfashionable". scandinavia, canada, you name it. Scandinavia is arguably a leader in socially enforced eugenics if you subscribe to the idea that fostering a culture of aborting fetuses who show signs of/test positive for developmental disability or non-life-threatening birth defects is eugenics. Something like 99.9% of all positive diagnoses for Down Syndrome, to give an example, in Scandinavia result in abortion, and people who “knowingly” have disabled children are often accused of being backwards or cruel for “forcing them to live like that”. I don’t have a 100% answer to be honest. I think that the right to an abortion for any reason is ironclad, and one could credibly argue that forcing somebody to deliver and parent any child to their personal detriment is wrong. It’s a cornerstone argument to being Pro-Choice. And when you consider the tremendous lifelong personal and financial burdens that the parents of seriously disabled children have to bear, I certainly wouldn’t vilify anybody for making that choice given the society that we live in. At the same time, it’s clearly a discriminatory sentiment that reinforces a system that would rather eliminate “burdensome” people than support them properly. Millions of people live full, enriched, rewarding lives with disabilities, and many of the most common and serious hardships that disabled people and their families face are entirely matters of money and social safety net, and would be obviated if states and societies provided for them adequately. But also there’s a line where I do think it’s in the best interest of the child to simply not be born. You get to a level of severe cognitive disability where it really does feel like you’re just forcing them to live, to say nothing of the parents who insist on keeping anencephalic kids alive. And like, if I knew I was going to have a child with ichthyosis, xeroderma pigmentosum, or even most forms of SCIDS, I probably wouldn’t want them to have to live short, torturous lives either. But I also don’t think that we have the maturity yet as a society to really decide where those lines are, beyond the obvious (kids with anencephaly should not be forced to live in hell). At the end of the day, I think you just have to separate the “abortion side” of the conversation and the “discrimination against the disabled” side. Ultimately being pro-choice means that it kinda doesn’t matter why a person chooses to have an abortion—it’s a matter of body autonomy. You don’t have to like the reason, but it’s their body and their choice. By all means it’s important to challenge the lovely beliefs and systems that might underpin such a decision. This also starts blurring into “legal euthanasia” chat, which is another thing Scandinavia does. Can somebody with a severe disability rationally ask to be euthanized? What about somebody with a mental illness? Is somebody with quadriplegia allowed to decide that they don’t want to live anymore and have the state oblige them? What about somebody with major depression? Or borderline personality disorder? Or super-severe trauma? And all of these require the sign-off of doctors and magistrates which adds a whole other layer. How do we draw the line between suicidality and “I’m not getting any better and I seriously, thoughtfully don’t want to live the rest of my life like this”? How do we separate a doctor’s personal feelings from their professional duty and also relate that to the patient’s wishes? Who really has the final say? Shageletic posted:That's a pretty hefty claim, especially since sexual assault absolutely correlates with an environment where men have carte blanche to assault without consequences. It can be both, the literature actually seems to support both. Groovelord Neato posted:It's not a technicality it's prosecutorial misconduct. It’s this. Only this time the black guy they did it to was wealthy enough for his lawyers to catch it and successfully fight it (and also most certainly guilty)
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Ok Comboomer posted:
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Alhazred posted:The only form of “legal euthanasia” in Scandinavia is termination of treatment. You’re right, I confused the Netherlands with Scandinavia in my memory brain. My mistake. Euthanasia is currently legal in Belgium, Canada, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Spain and several states of Australia (Tasmania, Victoria, South Australia and Western Australia). It was briefly legal in the Northern Territory betweeen 1996 and 1997, but was overturned by a federal law.
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https://twitter.com/iggyazalea/status/1410433707052204034?s=21 More people ought to be risking breaking NDAs to back up Britney, we know they’re out there. Good on Iggy Iggs, between this, Ms. Banks roasting Candice Owens on Insta and my mom’s flower garden being particularly robust it’s a good year for disappointing Azaelias
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Alhazred posted:The only form of “legal euthanasia” in Scandinavia is termination of treatment. Depending how sympathetic the doctor is, that can sometimes involve letting the family take over administering the "remaining" morphine doses.
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Chris James 2 posted:So we've had two accused rapist Presidents in a row, Cosby get a conviction overturned, Spacey get back into films Cancel culture gone ma- oh, this one also got away.
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Rhyno posted:She'll get released early.
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Rhyno posted:She'll get released early. There is no parole in the fed system
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Rhyno posted:We can't let the pretty white girl languish in jail. She's a girl tho, is there really anything we can/want to do for her?
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thekeeshman posted:https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/30/arts/dan-schneider-nickelodeon.html
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That article is definitely too generous to Schneider. They're giving him the biographical treatment of "he wasn't a good student in school, he grew up admiring tv writers, what a complicated soul" when there's someone gesturing at his weirdly close relations with kids: "But some people who worked on Schneider’s shows, and asked for anonymity because they said they feared reprisal from him, said they viewed his chumminess with his young actors as awkward and odd for a powerful, middle-aged showrunner. Several recalled that he often spent time during the work day interacting with young fans online and, after work, texting child actors about silly matters of teenage internet life. Was it research? A desire to be popular? Former crew members recalled that Justice’s character had a locker on the set of “Victorious” decorated with photos of young men, alongside the words “dudealicious” and “who’s hot?” One of the photos was a headshot of a young Dan Schneider." Yes, the investigation turned up no further accusations or evidence, but "hmm maybe he was just living the childhood he never had" is some loving way to round that section off.
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He's just a cool, cool quirky guy with youthful energy who frolics in the woods. This article is definitely not at severe risk of being an embarassment if someone ever actually pipes up to name names, no sir.
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Didn't he have to scrub like literally hundreds of photographs of children's feet off of his Twitter account?
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Good god, it's like he came out of the cocoon in his fully formed pedo state. He's like a sex pest elemental now.
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The Britney Spears story is a bit less on the judge (it's a denial 'without prejudice') and seems to hint that her attorney might be botching things up (either intentionally or no). This interview with an attorney who worked on Amanda Bynes' case is more in-depth: https://www.vulture.com/2021/06/britney-spears-petition-to-end-conservatorship-guide.html
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King Vidiot posted:Good god, it's like he came out of the cocoon in his fully formed pedo state. He's like a sex pest elemental now. James Lipton but for feet
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