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It's what has been talked about on this page of this thread. e: oh fine, the LAST page, stupid forums
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pentyne posted:What am I looking at? I'm not gonna read what appears to be 20-30k words about how some sjw lying whore is trying to ruin him. He undercut his own arguments with a very poorly considered "MY SIDE" post.
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Jun 27, 2021 23:01
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Kchama posted:Just in case you couldn't believe Chis Avellone's lawyers couldn't be dumber... There was some YouTube channel that appeared out of nowhere a few months ago where a guy posted one video "exonerating" Avellone that is almost word for word what he says here. Way too similar to be coincidence. Mokinokaro fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Jun 27, 2021 |
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Jun 27, 2021 23:42
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Are we sure Vic & Avellone are not friends and use the same crack legal team?
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Jun 27, 2021 23:44
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pentyne posted:What am I looking at? I'm not gonna read what appears to be 20-30k words about how some sjw lying whore is trying to ruin him. Azubah posted:Are we sure Vic & Avellone are not friends and use the same crack legal team? He has real lawyers, or at least they claim to be big-name lawyers. They aren't transparently stepping out of their legal specialties here. Mostly by virtue of it being a lawfirm and not two idiots. But it's a lot of words about how ACTUALLY SHE WAS TOTALLY FOR IT AT THE TIME SO EVERYTHING SHE SAYS IS A LIE while not saying specific names so you can't actually see what they actually said. And well this is all just just PR face-saving since his dumb-poo poo lawsuit doesn't contest much of what she says. It's a very dumb move if you want to win a defamation lawsuit.
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Jun 27, 2021 23:58
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I'm guessing that is not something Avellone ran by his lawyers.
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Jun 28, 2021 00:10
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Still if they were willing to take the case there's a pretty low chance they drop him as a client regardless. I didn't dig too deep but apparently even filining in CA was a jaw droppingly bad idea given the states anti SLAPP laws.
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Jun 28, 2021 00:49
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Maybe he's hoping for the right-wing grift money. "See, I'm the writer of your favorite games and those Ess Jay Wwws have bullied me, throw money at money while I agree to do script for someone's lovely kickstarter."
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Jun 28, 2021 01:43
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When you are suing for defamation, is it a good idea write about how the thing you're claiming is defamatory is substantially true? https://twitter.com/DomSkyeRN/status/1409320526275878918?s=20
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Jun 28, 2021 03:28
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pentyne posted:Still if they were willing to take the case there's a pretty low chance they drop him as a client regardless. It's maybe the worst possible jurisdiction he could have filed this case in and possibly not even an appropriate venue because neither defendant is a resident of California so a completely self-inflicted own goal. It's also going to make him shoring up his claims harder/more expensive/impossible (assuming he has any non-garbage ones left) with the discovery stay and some other nasty stuff. He is going to end up paying his costs, their costs, and a good chance of a punitive bonus on top if they file and win the response. For a similar case, Vic will be paying 6 figures just in defendant's fees because of the TCPA whenever they finish ruling on his appeal. Hub Cat fucked around with this message at 10:31 on Jun 28, 2021 |
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Jun 28, 2021 04:12
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Lawtwitter is shrieking with laughter at how badly done this is. Wall to wall 
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Jun 28, 2021 11:55
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Piell posted:When you are suing for defamation, is it a good idea write about how the thing you're claiming is defamatory is substantially true? yeah he is a loving idiot gross shithead and i am glad he is gonna get hosed over. i can't believe i used to think he was cool. ImpAtom posted:Maybe he's hoping for the right-wing grift money. "See, I'm the writer of your favorite games and those Ess Jay Wwws have bullied me, throw money at money while I agree to do script for someone's lovely kickstarter." possibly. i can believe it. tons of morons and chuds will throw him money, probably enough to break even at least.
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Jun 28, 2021 12:44
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah he is a loving idiot gross shithead and i am glad he is gonna get hosed over. i can't believe i used to think he was cool. Avellone was once praised as a revolutionary writer as far as video games went, and he was involved in the production of some extremely good and memorable games, so it's not really a knock on you to have thought he was cool back before it became known to the world what a gigantic shitbag he is. As far as getting money from chuds, it's possible he might be as incredibly dumb as Vic was and not only get owned in court but also squander the inevitable chud welfare. The circumstances of this lawsuit do seem to suggest that he is amazingly stupid.
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Jun 28, 2021 13:03
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StratGoatCom posted:Lawtwitter is shrieking with laughter at how badly done this is. lol perhaps it should be called "lawltwitter" 
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Jun 28, 2021 13:16
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Kanos posted:As far as getting money from chuds, it's possible he might be as incredibly dumb as Vic was and not only get owned in court but also squander the inevitable chud welfare. The circumstances of this lawsuit do seem to suggest that he is amazingly stupid. I'm sure he just needs to start a Patreon if he's ever in financial trouble - Codex still loves him.
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Jun 28, 2021 14:05
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I already knew he was at minimum kind of a petty jerk when he went and aired dirty laundry about Obsidian during the release of PoE2.
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Jun 29, 2021 03:52
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I know everyone is currently watching Chris Allevone repeadedly slam himself on a wall painted like a tunnel, But after finding out how grossly horrifically wrong I was about the whole jisu/technicals situation by finding out it really was just pure slanderous vitriol, I want to apologize to everyone in the thread for my idiotic and stupid behavior. I knew he was a snake and I still let him bite me, then I find out it was just collusion with an abusive shithead, and I attacked a victim in stupid loving ways that now I have no idea what the hell I was thinking. I feel like kicking my own rear end for it. But those aren't excuses for my dumbass statements, and do wish to apologize to everyone in here for being a massive tool about it.
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Jun 29, 2021 04:15
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Imagine being somewhat internet savvy in 2021 and still pulling "actually, it's called ephebophilia and is ok".
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Jul 2, 2021 11:42
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StratGoatCom posted:Lawtwitter is shrieking with laughter at how badly done this is. It’s not Ty Beard lolsuit-caliber bad, but yeah, some real bad lawyering going on here Ty’s filings in Vic’s case needs to legit be taught in law schools nationwide due to how uniquely awful his poo poo was
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Jul 2, 2021 14:51
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I love that coward nazi sexpest Avellone has preemptively blocked anyone lefty. Guy has surrounded himself in an echo chamber of mostly Russian nazi sycophants.
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Jul 5, 2021 00:31
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Mokinokaro posted:I love that coward nazi sexpest Avellone has preemptively blocked anyone lefty. Seems to be sexpest MO these days. Cosby is doing it too.
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Jul 5, 2021 00:37
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I genuinely wonder at how these people think. They have to know they did something wrong, right? There's a point where it's undeniable. So have they rewritten things in their heads? Have they decided that they did what anyone else would do, adopting a cynical view of humanity that justifies their own abuses? Are they well aware of the atrociousness of their behavior but don't see a way back so they just isolate themselves around others they know won't take them to task for it?
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Jul 5, 2021 00:43
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Ironslave posted:I genuinely wonder at how these people think. They have to know they did something wrong, right? There's a point where it's undeniable. So have they rewritten things in their heads? Have they decided that they did what anyone else would do, adopting a cynical view of humanity that justifies their own abuses? Are they well aware of the atrociousness of their behavior but don't see a way back so they just isolate themselves around others they know won't take them to task for it? A lot of the time they believe they are justified in doing things or that it's 'normal' for people of their wealth/popularity/respectability/gender/whatever because for incredibly long periods of human history people have been taught that power of some method rewards them with freedom to do things or be 'rewarded' with things they normally couldn't. Even if they are aware it is wrong they believe it is a 'justified' wrong because of who they are, and for a long time people backed that up. It wasn't long ago that things like "Rock stars will sleep with underage girls" or "You need to spend time on the 'casting couch' to get cast" were not only generally accepted but considered funny and acceptable and even 'cool' to some people, because society as a whole discouraged people from speaking up about how that really felt. It doesn't excuse it in the slightest but a lot of these people came from subcultures where this behavior was *normal* to some degree. It doesn't matter if you're a Hollywood actor or a game developer, you were told both openly and subtly that you were in the right to do these things. That doesn't excuse it but it explains why there is a level of shamelessness about it, because that level of shamelessness was an open part of the culture and still is to some degree. People could openly talk about things they did and expect a high five, not open disgust. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 00:59 on Jul 5, 2021 |
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people are still told "Just take what you want" as a method of self actualization, when all it leads to is selfish overgrown children
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Jul 5, 2021 01:06
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Ironslave posted:I genuinely wonder at how these people think. They have to know they did something wrong, right?
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Mokinokaro posted:I love that coward nazi sexpest Avellone has preemptively blocked anyone lefty. Ironslave posted:I genuinely wonder at how these people think. They have to know they did something wrong, right? There's a point where it's undeniable. So have they rewritten things in their heads? Have they decided that they did what anyone else would do, adopting a cynical view of humanity that justifies their own abuses? Are they well aware of the atrociousness of their behavior but don't see a way back so they just isolate themselves around others they know won't take them to task for it? 
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Jul 5, 2021 01:30
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I don't even know if I believe that most of these sex pests know that they've done wrong. Most of them honestly probably believe that they definitely picked up consensual vibes, or that the girl was totally throwing off positive signals so it was okay to gently caress her while she was blackout drunk, or that it's totally just playful flirting that moved to the next stage because of just how darn charismatic and cool they are. Then they end up in chud echo chambers because they don't believe they did anything wrong, and tons of people are yelling at them and trying to ruin their life(~totally unjustifiably!~), and the only people who have positive messages of support for them are chuds who rally around them in opposition to cancel culture or radical feminism or SJWs or whatever poison brainworms motivate the chuds in each specific case. Kanos fucked around with this message at 01:47 on Jul 5, 2021 |
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Jul 5, 2021 01:41
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If you do something wrong, or specifically something that other people take issue with, then you either have the option of internalizing the the idea that what you did was wrong, which includes all sorts of unpleasant things like self doubt and guilt and can cause you to have to reassess yourself and possibly large chunks of your life if it's something you've done a lot. Or you can just not do all that, because that's painful, and out of the need to not do any of that, so the rest of what you think forms into a new shape. You didn't do anything wrong, and anyone who says you did is actually wrong for some reason and also you shouldn't listen to them. It is easier for some people to demolish their life bit by bit rather than face the all-at-once and very personal terror and sense of vulnerability that comes with believing they have done something wrong. And of course the more you double down on the denial, the harder it is to reverse, because it means you are actually doing a bunch more wrong stuff and you would have to admit that all of it was wrong, if you couldn't do it the first time you definitely can't do it now. Because the actually alright people in your life will probably not want much to do with you at this point and because social media is very good at connecting people with like interests, you also end up replacing your peer group with other people who think just like you do because they will seek you out and idolise you. And because your ideas are shaped by your environment this also helps to further entrench your worldview. So I think ultimately that no, they don't think they have done anything wrong, because their life trajectory after the dirt comes out is defined by an inability to accept they have done anything wrong, and all of that naturally leads to the position where they are surrounded by other creeps and adopting worldviews that excuse everything they have ever done. They might, we hope, be miserable. And it would be nice to think that they spend a lot of their time haunted by the inescapable flickers of doubt about what they have done, but consciously, on the level their minds operate at most of the time, they don't believe they have done anything wrong.
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Jul 5, 2021 02:03
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This is... somewhat related to the thread topic? One of the people during the Isabell Fall affair, that one with the SFF novella writer being falsely accused of being a chud and driven into a mental hospital? One of the major players was Arinn Dembo, the lady who wrote the good Homeworlds. I am profoundly tired of this decade already.
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Jul 5, 2021 02:32
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StratGoatCom posted:This is... somewhat related to the thread topic? Well, that sucks
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Jul 5, 2021 03:08
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Mokinokaro posted:I love that coward nazi sexpest Avellone has preemptively blocked anyone lefty. He blocked all the lawyers who talked about his filing and then told PC Gamer they were 'biased'. His only rebuttal was that 'hurt feelings' was an acknowledged term for California practitioners. The Isabell Fall debacle has been genuinely upsetting to observe. Didn't know a games writer was involved, but also not surprised.
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Jul 5, 2021 06:58
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In other news https://twitter.com/LaurakBuzz/status/1412788094152159236
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Jul 7, 2021 16:05
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For some reason, both those links are indirected through Facebook to other sites. https://gamasutra.com/view/news/368010/New_allegations_show_the_cycle_of_abuse_and_misconduct_runs_deep_at_Ubisoft.php https://www.windowscentral.com/assassins-creed-odyssey-director-accused-abuse e: The second link is just a rehash of the first.
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Jul 7, 2021 18:56
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https://twitter.com/stephentotilo/status/1413251070202105856
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Jul 9, 2021 00:59
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StratGoatCom posted:This is... somewhat related to the thread topic? Dembo has always been a Dumbo so I wouldn't be shocked if she was a major player, but I hadn't seen anything concrete on what she did, besides say something at all during the whole affair. The only thing I've seen alleging anything with her was a hilariously bad hit piece that did stuff like deliberately mix up the time line on events so that they could do stuff like accuse someone else of being the reason why Isabell Fall took down the story in the first place when that person did not even get involved until AFTER the story was originally taken down.
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Kchama posted:Dembo has always been a Dumbo so I wouldn't be shocked if she was a major player, but I hadn't seen anything concrete on what she did, besides say something at all during the whole affair. The only thing I've seen alleging anything with her was a hilariously bad hit piece that did stuff like deliberately mix up the time line on events so that they could do stuff like accuse someone else of being the reason why Isabell Fall took down the story in the first place when that person did not even get involved until AFTER the story was originally taken down. https://twitter.com/christapeterso/status/1410492096327286792
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Something I remember reading about the mindset of rapists and sexual abusers is that they tend to believe that all men do these things, or would given the opportunity, and other men just hide it better and get away with it. It's why they get furious and accuse people who are expressing disgust of being hypocritical. You get the same thing with other kinds of awful behaviour. Like how assholes will throw around 'virtue signalling' because they can't believe anyone is sincere.
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Jul 12, 2021 20:43
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For what it's worth, she's put up a public apology. https://www.patreon.com/posts/53607314
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Jul 15, 2021 02:28
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Did this ever get posted last year? https://twitter.com/wuffles/status/1275481914200092672
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siotle posted:For what it's worth, she's put up a public apology. That's a hell of a better apology than I actually expected from her. That's good.
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