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Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

jeeves posted:

I'd have to say the shittiest piece of garbage tech in modern media would have to be most everything Star Trek's incredibly bottom of the bucket mediocre writing has made for the last decade.

From JJ Abrams' "WELL MY ENTERPRISE IS A MILE LONG!!!!!!!!" or "Black holes are magic" of his first Trek film, to the absolute bangers of "Ok transporters can work across the galaxy so we don't need ships anymore" or "we have magic blood that invalidates death" of JJ's second film.

To then almost everything in Star Trek Discovery, from magic instant-teleporting space ships that were invented in the past of all modern Trek and thus could and should have been used in all of the dire/existential crisis events of the future (also they require the space ship's parts to SPIN!) to ... whatever the gently caress happened in Picard, there are too many numerous things to even want to remember? Doesn't like Romulans spies have a gadget that lets them LOOK INTO THE PAST of events of a room or something by the first episode?

gently caress. Star Trek has been known for technobabbble, but for so long it was somewhat grounded by nerdy base ideas that they stuck to their guns about. Now there has been so much stupid tech all in one franchise that it almost kills all of the good will of the previous half century of the franchise and reveals the new shows to most likely be just a lot of "push this content out as quick as possible we need to launder this loving money quick!!!"

However that's not to say that Star Wars is desperately trying to catch up with even just the the "a ship going into hyperspace can destroy anything" of The Last Jedi pretty much is up there for top tier stupidity tech writing. Wouldn't it mean you could just strap a hyper drive onto an asteroid and throw it at a death star? Ooops I just gave more thought to that than anyone on the movie did.

Actually, Star Trek was always like that.

http://jbr.me.uk/trek/3.html#1

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Shwoo
Jul 21, 2011

Tulip posted:

I was trying to remember anything particularly odd in Lower Decks and the first thing that hit me was "pot full of eels that you use to torment people in contempt of court, also has burners so that you boil people (and eels)" which feels pretty lovely and funny.
I'm a fan of the cybernetic implant that restarts and knocks you out multiple times in a row when you decide to update it. I think that was from the same episode?

jeeves
May 27, 2001

Deranged Psychopathic
Butler Extraordinaire
I may have gone off on a bored during an online-work-meeting-induced rant more on just lovely writing to keep the constant churn of CONTENT for streaming services more on actual lovely garbage tech in scifi writing.

I still think the ~SUNCRUSHER~ is probably the shittiest piece of scifi tech writing that I've ever read. Hard to top that. It felt like Kevin J Anderson was just a kid going "NUT UH!!! UR SHIP BLOWS UP PLANETS? MINE BLOWS UP STARS! ALSO ITS MADE OF DIAMONDS! ALSO IT ONLY FITS ON PILOT WHO WILL BE ME"

karmicknight
Aug 21, 2011
lmao.

Asterite34
May 19, 2009



I gotta give it to the maser tanks from Godzilla movies. Ten times more expensive than a regular tank, but exactly as effective against Godzilla. It's in that sad middle ground where it's fancy scifi tech ENOUGH that it's hugely expensive and impractical, but not on the level of, say, a Super X or an Oxygen Destroyer or any actually effective anti-monster weapon.

sean10mm
Jun 29, 2005

It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World

Asterite34 posted:

I gotta give it to the maser tanks from Godzilla movies. Ten times more expensive than a regular tank, but exactly as effective against Godzilla. It's in that sad middle ground where it's fancy scifi tech ENOUGH that it's hugely expensive and impractical, but not on the level of, say, a Super X or an Oxygen Destroyer or any actually effective anti-monster weapon.

It would have been smart to show maser tanks loving up some D list monster like that mantis prick or the big spider or whatever so it's more impressive for Godzilla to shrug them off, and humans look less stupid for making them.

pixaal
Jan 8, 2004

All ice cream is now for all beings, no matter how many legs.


sean10mm posted:

It would have been smart to show maser tanks loving up some D list monster like that mantis prick or the big spider or whatever so it's more impressive for Godzilla to shrug them off, and humans look less stupid for making them.

But people constantly make pointless things that are more expensive less durable and less effective than their predecessor.

Asterite34
May 19, 2009



I guess it's one of those military industrial complex things, where even though the tanks and stuff don't actually DO anything to deter Godzilla, you don't wanna get a bunch of negative ads come election season talking about how you were soft on Big Monster. So you make the most of a bad situation and try and capitalize on it by getting your district all those juicy manufacturing jobs making lovely tanks you're gonna throw away, because there's no question of NOT making the tanks. Might as well overengineer them to hell and back and get the most bucks for your bang, so to speak.

wdarkk
Oct 26, 2007

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I think in Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla they have the maser tanks get some wins in the opening credits? Like I think they show them killing the Gargantuas?

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

All tech in the Hyperion Cantos seems to be hot garbage since it's all hand me downs.

lonelylikezoidberg
Dec 19, 2007

Lawman 0 posted:

All tech in the Hyperion Cantos seems to be hot garbage since it's all hand me downs.

I mean the tech in hyperion seems both really futuristic and incredible and also boring in the way mass produced commonly used technology is.

It works because the technology isn't the point at all.

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Right also because it's manufacturing isn't miraculously free of the mundane filthiness, destruction and drudgery of production.

Sarcastro
Dec 28, 2000
Elite member of the Grammar Nazi Squad that

SlothfulCobra posted:

It seems to me more like "this scene with Jabba was written and filmed but after it was cut from the movie the later movie didn't take it into consideration at all and designed a totally different Jabba from scratch". Maybe a novelization stuck it back in, the novelizations did a lot of weird stuff.


Catching up and I happen to have the original novelization on my shelf in this very room. The full description of Jabba, verbatim: "A great mobile tub of muscle and suet topped by a shaggy scarred skull..." If memory serves, these things are written based off of the shooting script, so I'd assume that the script's description of Jabba boiled down to "a really fat guy." Kind of handy in that it could go either way if you later decide to make him a big slug alien instead of a portly human.

Robot Style
Jul 5, 2009

Yeah, most of the scripts don't really specify whether Jabba is human or alien, just that he's hideous:

Star Wars Second Draft posted:

The entry bay of the large starship is also the main lounge area of the ship. Two gruff and grisly pirates are playing a kind of dice game with thin little sticks. The larger and mangiest of the two slavering hulks, JABBA THE HUTT by name, throws his dice at Chewbacca.

Star Wars Third Draft posted:

A commotion filters down from the entry gantry and Chewbacca whines pessimistic comment. A dozen or so gruff and grisly pirates approach the ship. The grossest of the slavering hulks is JABBA THE HUTT. His scarred face is a grim testimonial to his prowess as a vicious killer.

Star Wars Revised Fourth Draft posted:

Jabba the Hut and a half dozen grisly pirates and purple aliens stand in the middle of the docking bay. Jabba is the grossest of the salivering hulks and his scarred face is a grim testimonial to his prowess as a vicious killer.

Star Wars Fourth Draft - publicly published version posted:

Jabba the Hut and a half-dozen grisly alien pirates and purple creatures stand in the middle of the docking bay. Jabba is the grossest of the slavering hulks and his scarred face is a grim testimonial to his prowess as a vicious killer. He is a fat, slug-like creature with eyes on extended feelers and a huge ugly mouth.

The Marvel comic adaptation included this scene, though went with an alien Jabba that was actually quite slim, and just reused the design of a random background alien.




Apparently they later retconned this guy as Jabba's accountant, who would sometimes use Jabba's name to act as "legally Jabba" in certain dangerous situations.

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005







A glass house is a pretty lovely tech to throw stones from

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

Is it me?

Asterite34 posted:

I guess it's one of those military industrial complex things, where even though the tanks and stuff don't actually DO anything to deter Godzilla, you don't wanna get a bunch of negative ads come election season talking about how you were soft on Big Monster. So you make the most of a bad situation and try and capitalize on it by getting your district all those juicy manufacturing jobs making lovely tanks you're gonna throw away, because there's no question of NOT making the tanks. Might as well overengineer them to hell and back and get the most bucks for your bang, so to speak.

All the 90s giant robots were total boondoggle projects. Oh no our Mechagodzilla got smashed, guess we better build another different giant robot that doesn't work.

Fivemarks
Feb 21, 2015

Jetto Jagga posted:

All the 90s giant robots were total boondoggle projects. Oh no our Mechagodzilla got smashed, guess we better build another different giant robot that doesn't work.

Didn't Super Mechagodzilla like, almost beat Godzilla? Didn't the Super X-3 actually win?

Yeah but gently caress Moguera though.

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat
Yeah, but then it turned out all you really needed to beat up Ebirah were eight or so psychic ninja power rangers and by that point you're using your expensive flying drill battleship Gotengo to save Godzilla because you need Big Godzilla to fight Big Alien.

Worf
Sep 12, 2017

If only Seth would love me like I love him!

Its romulans

Rudeboy Detective
Apr 28, 2011


Fivemarks posted:

Yeah but gently caress Moguera though.

I wonder what the story behind Moguera is. It looks an awful lot like some lovely 1950's toy robot.

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat
According to the wiki, it was originally going to be a MechaGodzilla appearance but Toho decided to update a monster from one of their older films instead.

So, 1950s toy is pretty close.

Hillary 2024
Nov 13, 2016

by vyelkin

zoux posted:

For the thread: Transporters were never supposed to be in ST. The original plan was to have the Enterprise or whatever ships just land on planets, but that would've been too expensive with models and sets, and when it came time to film the pilot, the shooting model of the shuttle wasn't ready, so they came up with transporters, which cost next-to-nothing. So, that's why every writer for ST has to come up with some reason that the transporters, which would easily solve whatever problem, won't do that this time.

Also remember when they used the transporter to de-age Dr. Pulaski and then forgot about and never told anyone about the loving FOUNTAIN OF YOUTH effect you get by messing around with some sliders in the transporter settings. We could probably come up with dozens of galaxy-transforming technological leaps made by rerouting and re configuring systems that never get brought up again.

Star Trek: The Animated Series, Season 2 Episode 6 "The Counter Clock Incident": The Enterprise get sucked into a parallel universe where time runs backwards. The crew begin to de-age until they lose the knowledge they need to run the Enterprise, They're only saved by a couple of geriatric passengers who lasted long enough to bring the Enterprise back through the negative space wedgie. Then at the end of the episode they use the transporters to re-age everyone back to where they were at the start of the episode, including the olds. So Star Fleet were apparently aware of the age slider since Kirk's time, just for some reason no one in the billions of people in the known universe wants to change how old they are.

Worf
Sep 12, 2017

If only Seth would love me like I love him!

It's probably considered rude and makes you a space coward / is illegal

All you need to ask yourself is, does it sound like something a romulan would do?

Presto
Nov 22, 2002

Keep calm and Harry on.

Foxfire_ posted:

Counter-counterpoint: Mr Roger's Neighborhood was made in Pittsburg

No, Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood was made in Pittsburgh. :colbert:

Worf
Sep 12, 2017

If only Seth would love me like I love him!

Didn't that place used to have a football team

CainFortea
Oct 15, 2004


Worf posted:

Didn't that place used to have a football team

Mr Roger's Neighborhood? No, didn't have a stadium.

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
they were going to have the trolley run from the stadium to the neighborhood of make-believe but all the city planning sessions were derailed by lady elaine complaining about "unsavory elements" commuting in from the collective unconscious

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Cease to Hope posted:

they were going to have the trolley run from the stadium to the neighborhood of make-believe but all the city planning sessions were derailed by lady elaine complaining about "unsavory elements" commuting in from the collective unconscious

Where's the Phantom Thieves when you need em?

ChubbyChecker
Mar 25, 2018

Butternubs posted:

Starfleet surge protectors.



I guess a post scarcity society still contracts out to the lowest bidder.

Like jesus christ load a bunch of consoles into a torpedo casing and fire them at the enemy.

this

Worf
Sep 12, 2017

If only Seth would love me like I love him!

Data plugged too many isolinear chips into engineering that one time he went ham on the usb port wall

The Enterprise ran out of DMA and Galaxy classes are known for exploding into rocks, it's sad

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011

Worf
Sep 12, 2017

If only Seth would love me like I love him!


conclusive evidence the answer has been romulans all along

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

So for the first time in a really long time, I sat down and watched all of the first Alien. I've no idea when the last time I actually saw the thing was, but clearly it's been a long rear end time, as all sorts of detail jumped out I never noticed before.

I mention it in this thread because I noticed that the Nostromo has shittily implemented circuit breakers. When the Nostromo lands on that moon, on touchdown the cockpit looses power and electrical fires start. This is apparently caused by some small part of the Nostromo getting bent/damaged during the landing sequence. It's expected enough that the bridge crew is ready for it, grabbing extinguishers and extinguishing flames immediately.

Good interstitial scene after this: John Hurt is pacing and Dallas and Ripley are seated at a console, mirroring each other's body language as they listen to Parker give a damage report. It does a great job of conveying "they've been at this for a long time."

Worf
Sep 12, 2017

If only Seth would love me like I love him!

i think morton thiokol designed the breaker

Barudak
May 7, 2007

I really liked that bit in Alien, if only because it has such a good setting establishment of "the company doesn't give a gently caress as long as it makes it there, the little humans exist to solve our mistakes and corner cuts"

Honestly, of most sci-fi settings while the tech has obvious issues it feels authentic to reality in so far as everything is cut to the bone on manpower and corporations exert an unquestioned role in society.

Barudak fucked around with this message at 04:32 on Dec 24, 2021

Worf
Sep 12, 2017

If only Seth would love me like I love him!

Barudak posted:

Honestly, of most sci-fi settings while the tech has obvious issues it feels authentic to reality in so far as everything is cut to the bone on manpower and corporations exert an unquestioned role in society.

it is what it is

its portraying a process that is intrinsic to its own existence and formation

Twenty Four
Dec 21, 2008



lol

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Barudak posted:

I really liked that bit in Alien, if only because it has such a good setting establishment of "the company doesn't give a gently caress as long as it makes it there, the little humans exist to solve our mistakes and corner cuts"

Honestly, of most sci-fi settings while the tech has obvious issues it feels authentic to reality in so far as everything is cut to the bone on manpower and corporations exert an unquestioned role in society.

That gets emphasized around those scenes in an detail I didn't notice before: the Nostromo repairs are revealed to need drydock time, which at least two characters treat as bad news, like this affects their pay

There's other deets in there along these lines of course: Weyland Yutani has branding on absolutely everything in the movie, even those light beers Dallas is drinking at the start of the film.

Of course Weyland Yutani might also be the prototypical evil corporation, so

MRC48B
Apr 2, 2012

Nebakenezzer posted:

That gets emphasized around those scenes in an detail I didn't notice before: the Nostromo repairs are revealed to need drydock time, which at least two characters treat as bad news, like this affects their pay


Just look at the real world transportation industry, there are many ways they would be screwed over when their ship isnt flying.

I wonder if they get paid like IRL truckers, by unit of distance traveled. One thousand weyland spacebucks per million klicks travelled.

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Barudak
May 7, 2007

The Aspen beer cans are a collectible lore item in the new Aliens Fireteam game and I literally thought they were made up for it until your post

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