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God Hole posted:so the infinity stones are all-powerful and can work in different universes (as evidenced in Endgame) Well there's your problem, that never happened.
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Hell yes KANG I feel vindicated for pointing to Ms Minutes's cartoon and having said "That's Kang"
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Jul 14, 2021 23:01
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Klungar posted:Though she says she's not "reporting" it, Joanna Robinson of Vanity Fair states that her sources have told her that, before COVID shut down production on the show, the finale had a much different plot, with the biggest change being that Kang only showed up as a post-credits reveal, but that things were obviously changed to make that aspect the lion's share of the episode. Possible reasons for this include increased availability of Jonathan Majors, higher-ups giving positive feedback to the footage he'd shot, and the decision to move forward with a second season allowing for not tying up everything with a tidy bow. Presumably this explains why some of the plotlines seemed so underserved/scenes that exist in the trailers don't actually show up in the show. Yeah, they were probably weary of doing a too-early Thanos introduction that moved violently in tone from post-movie to post-movie. He still has the ability to trunheel his performance. E: Can't wait for an unhinged Ms Minutes
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Jul 14, 2021 23:06
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Klungar posted:Though she says she's not "reporting" it, Joanna Robinson of Vanity Fair states that her sources have told her that, before COVID shut down production on the show, the finale had a much different plot, with the biggest change being that Kang only showed up as a post-credits reveal, but that things were obviously changed to make that aspect the lion's share of the episode. Possible reasons for this include increased availability of Jonathan Majors, higher-ups giving positive feedback to the footage he'd shot, and the decision to move forward with a second season allowing for not tying up everything with a tidy bow. Presumably this explains why some of the plotlines seemed so underserved/scenes that exist in the trailers don't actually show up in the show. Who says all reshoots are bad?
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Jul 14, 2021 23:08
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God Hole posted:so the infinity stones are all-powerful and can work in different universes (as evidenced in Endgame), yet somehow this earthling can create a space where they are basically rendered paperweights? The TVA is a magical fun-time comic book fantasy zone where you gotta go along with its vibe lest the whole thing unravels before your eyes. The infinity stones bit was very much a 'here's the tone of this place' kinda moment
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Jul 14, 2021 23:09
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Mulva posted:Well there's your problem, that never happened. They go to other timelines and grab those timelines stones and then use them. Is a branching timeline a different universe? I think it is but not sure
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Jul 14, 2021 23:11
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It was telling that a huge chunk of this episode was 3 characters sitting in an empty room exactly 2 meters apart from each other. Covids gonna be loving tv up for a while yet.
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Jul 14, 2021 23:13
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Terror Sweat posted:They go to other timelines and grab those timelines stones and then use them. Is a branching timeline a different universe? I think it is but not sure Go to the one where an alligator Loki decides to sacrifice himself for the soul stone. And save it. By kicking in stark instead.
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Jul 14, 2021 23:14
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Pastamania posted:It was telling that a huge chunk of this episode was 3 characters sitting in an empty room exactly 2 meters apart from each other. And it’s also telling this was the best of the three marvel show finals for it by a country mile. Joe Robinson (vanity fair writer) is often incredibly boring hipster with her takes on things, but she’s a good podcaster media reporter, and one of her favorite things is characters in rooms talking. This was one of those cases where her tastes aligned with the best resolution story wise.
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Jul 14, 2021 23:17
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Pastamania posted:It was telling that a huge chunk of this episode was 3 characters sitting in an empty room exactly 2 meters apart from each other. That's almost definitely coincidence. I lived with someone who worked in TV during 2020, and tbh the industry figured all that stuff out really quickly. A production just forms a big bubble where everyone goes in with a negative covid test, they all live together and don't socialise with anyone outside of the production for the length of the shoot. It's basically impossible to make narrative TV and abide by any kind of social distancing, so there's no reason to make your actors even try.
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Jul 14, 2021 23:19
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Terror Sweat posted:They go to other timelines and grab those timelines stones and then use them. Is a branching timeline a different universe? I think it is but not sure Why would it be? More importantly nobody ever said that. Or how the stones work, or the if branches of a timeline are all part of the same universe, or where the TVA exists in or out of time or a thousand other things. There's no information to base a call on. The things we know are that the TVA has a lot of stones, and that those stones [And magic in general] do nothing in the TVA. Why? 
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Jul 14, 2021 23:24
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WandaVision finale: “Too many energy beams!” TFATWS finale: “Too much punching!” Loki finale: “Too much talking!” Can’t wait to see how What If...? blows its finale according to this thread.
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Jul 14, 2021 23:27
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Mulva posted:Why would it be? In the last episode they do explain the universe thing (not a huge spoiler but is in the last ep so:) the multiverse is lots of universes stacked on top of each other
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Jul 14, 2021 23:27
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I groaned at the ending and the tease of a second season. I admittedly wasn't super interested in the show to begin with, and very little about the show itself ended up winning me over. I started watching and kept watching because it felt important in a "the chess pieces are being set up for the next series of movies and you won't know what's going on if you don't watch this!" sense. Ultimately, though, I feel like I got nothing out of this show other than knowing the backstory to the next big villain, and Marvel villains are boring as sin anyway so I don't give a poo poo. No shade on the actor, but nothing about that performance convinced me that he's going to be a compelling character. Now it seems like the actually consequential poo poo might be in this second season, so I'm stuck either ignoring it or risk wasting more time. I'll just read the plot summaries on Wikipedia or something, I think. It seems like most people here enjoyed it; I'm happy for you. I'm usually not this negative about shows, but this felt like some a big fat nothing, like some compelling concept art that never became more than that. Given how much I generally enjoy the MCU, it was really disappointing. Oh well, not everything hits for everybody.
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Jul 14, 2021 23:32
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Big Mean Jerk posted:WandaVision finale: “Too many energy beams!” "Too much Throg!" or, perhaps more likely, "Not enough Throg!"
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Jul 14, 2021 23:49
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Wow, what a great show! Easily the best of the Marvel shows so far.
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Jul 14, 2021 23:50
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Mulva posted:Why would it be? well it doesn't help that timelines and alternate universes are being discussed almost interchangeably in this episode. and i thought what they were doing was hopping dimensions in endgame rather than explicitly "time-traveling". which still doesn't explain why the avengers never encountered captain america in their journey through time, happily placing the stones back in their rightful place the instant they were taking them (as tilda swinton stressed the importance of doing)
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Jul 14, 2021 23:54
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I dearly hope once Disney brings in the Fantastic Four they feature the entire family and roughly follow Hickman's run.
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Jul 14, 2021 23:56
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Retrowave Joe posted:Then cast Eric Andre for Ben.  Bell_ posted:I dearly hope once Disney brings in the Fantastic Four they feature the entire family and roughly follow Hickman's run. I agree, it could make for an awesome extended story and there's so much weirdness/cool dynamics in the comics it could really be something special.
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Jul 15, 2021 00:00
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LionArcher posted:And it’s also telling this was the best of the three marvel show finals for it by a country mile. I enjoyed WandaVision the most out of the MCU shows so far. It felt the most interesting out of any of the shows. Loki just felt like a big budget Doctor Who story. I've enjoyed all 3 MCU shows so far but Loki was my least favorite.
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Jul 15, 2021 00:02
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SimonChris posted:Okay, I have this minor nit-pick I need to get off my chest: They've made every one of them forget their former lives and existence in order to serve the TVA, believing they were directly created for it. Some magical Duolingo on top isn't going to be that hard I guess.
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Jul 15, 2021 00:18
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Big Mean Jerk posted:WandaVision finale: “Too many energy beams!” What if...? is supposed to be episodic. So, if there is a coherent narrative conclusion at the end, then that would be weird.
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Jul 15, 2021 00:20
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:What if...? is supposed to be episodic. So, if there is a coherent narrative conclusion at the end, then that would be weird. What If...?: "Too episodic!"
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Jul 15, 2021 00:22
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Spacebump posted:I enjoyed WandaVision the most out of the MCU shows so far. It felt the most interesting out of any of the shows. Loki just felt like a big budget Doctor Who story. I've enjoyed all 3 MCU shows so far but Loki was my least favorite. I'd say the first half of Wandavision was the best show so far and the second half was the worst. Falcon and Winter Soldier was meh but never outright bad, Loki I'd rate at pretty good but not great.
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Jul 15, 2021 00:25
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thrawn527 posted:What If...?: "Too episodic!" Not enough continuity
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Jul 15, 2021 00:32
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This finale was a huge disappointment for me because I don’t know who the gently caress Kang is suppose to be or why I should care.
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Jul 15, 2021 00:34
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Mameluke posted:Holy poo poo I'm gonna clobber
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I really liked the ending here even if I didn't totally like it, meaning that with after both Wandavision and Falcon the finales felt so compartmentalized and left me feeling like whatever spirit they showed in the buildup ending up having almost zero relevance in the bigger picture (other than the Wandavision post-credits with the cabin and all that). After both of the previous series I was griping that they felt so safe and I wanted something that took some chances, something unexpected, even something uncomfortable or puzzling. I can't remember the last show or movie I watched that left me with such a "what th- that's [ui]it[/i]? Seriously?" when the credits rolled. Good. I'd rather have that than something that neatly wraps up all the loose ends and plot points and doo di doo the beat goes on. Sticking the landing was less relevant to me than just going in a different direction and avoiding any conventional path. Agree re: overacting "I'm so kooky" quibbles from one character, but don't care, saw enough to be convinced they're gonna be Awesome in that role down the road.
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Jul 15, 2021 00:48
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stev posted:I feel like I have so many logistical questions about how Kang works and how he does what he does. Technically the timelines start to split when he drops that pen to see where it lands. I'm sure in some post-pen drop timelines, he doesnt get killed, and then those notkangs go after other notkangs from after the pen drop, interrupting their pruning work, causing Kangs and variants to again diverge in the 31st century, cascading further and further until it basically causes a repeat of everything that happens, up until Many wins out next time and founds the TVA again. This probably isn't the first time Sylvie has killed a notkang, giving them their retirement in death
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If I fought a multiversal war against infinite versions of myself then sat in isolation for eons trying to make sure it didn't happen again I'd probably be a little off too.
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Spacebump posted:I enjoyed WandaVision the most out of the MCU shows so far. It felt the most interesting out of any of the shows. Loki just felt like a big budget Doctor Who story. I've enjoyed all 3 MCU shows so far but Loki was my least favorite. So you didn't mind the mind rape by the main hero at the end of the show? And thought doing boring spec episodes of popular sitcoms for half the season with marvel characters was somehow "very clever?" followed by oh crap it's marvel we need our plot stuff crammed into it for the rest of the season?
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Jul 15, 2021 00:59
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LionArcher posted:So you didn't mind the mind rape by the main hero at the end of the show? And thought doing boring spec episodes of popular sitcoms for half the season with marvel characters was somehow "very clever?" followed by oh crap it's marvel we need our plot stuff crammed into it for the rest of the season? Why is that considered mind rape but all the poo poo Sylvie did in this show not. She is also a rapist. It's rapists all the way down
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Jul 15, 2021 01:01
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Boris Galerkin posted:This finale was a huge disappointment for me because I don’t know who the gently caress Kang is suppose to be or why I should care. Personally, I don't know poo poo about Kang I didn't absorb through osmosis over the last six weeks. I found the initial reveal to be underwhelming, as you'd normally want your villain to be introduced long before their reveal, but the more I thought about it, the more I realized that every reveal at the end would've played a lot better if we weren't all a part of the Marvel Speculation Industrial Complex. Take the Marvel IP out of the show, and it's a really awesome season finale as well as a great cliffhanger for next season. We had the emotional climax of Loki and Sylvie's relationship as well as the tragedy of it falling apart over their differences. I was super moved by the emotional stakes of the finale and I can't wait to find out what happens next. I really can't think of anything a cliffhanger finale is supposed to do beyond that.
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rivetz posted:Agree re: overacting "I'm so kooky" quibbles from one character, but don't care, saw enough to be convinced they're gonna be Awesome in that role down the road. Even if it was over the top, which is a fair complaint even though it was completely my jam, I think it's a good set-up. It'll make evil, serious Kang seem all that more threatening when we're expecting him to act like some goofball cosmic willy wonka. It's like that Vandal Savage plot someone mentioned, but in reverse. For he who remains, we know on some level that he's got almost unlimited, unimaginable power, but we know we don't really have to take him seriously. The next version is gonna have that same power but he's gonna be willing to use it. You know what it's like, it's like Dexter (or Trinity) in his harmless goof with the donuts persona. And then seeing him with mask off and blades out.
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LionArcher posted:So you didn't mind the mind rape by the main hero at the end of the show?  Still, though, to your point, that was also over my personal line and if they were going to cross said line, they really should've been clearer about what it says about who Wanda has become.
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Jul 15, 2021 01:07
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Terror Sweat posted:Why is that considered mind rape but all the poo poo Sylvie did in this show not. She is also a rapist. It's rapists all the way down She’s not the hero of the show.
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Jul 15, 2021 01:07
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God Hole posted:well it doesn't help that timelines and alternate universes are being discussed almost interchangeably in this episode. And yet Steve Rodgers goes into the past, gets old, and is in the present of Endgame. There is no explanation. Did he at some point in the parallel present have someone invent a universe hopping machine to get him to his home universe, or was he just always in the past of 'our' universe? And the entire point of what the Hulk and Ancient One are discussing is the idea that if they bring things back to where they were, there would be no branching off into a doomed universe. And yet from what we see here, any deviation is itself a doomed universe that ol Natty Light will have his TVA destroy. For instance, you know Endgame? That never happened. What? Yeah, the point of Endgame vis a vis the Loki show is that all the time nonsense was supposed to happen EXCEPT that Loki was still supposed to be caught. So the first episode of Loki, that's him being caught and the timeline from Endgame being pruned. In 'reality' he never got away, and that entire movie's worth of people was wiped out when the TVA set off their reset bomb. There was never a second trip back to the past where Tony met his dad, because they never lost the Tesseract and never had to make that trip. Who knows if that Cap even went back to Peggy if he didn't go back and see her again. I mean if we are just logically playing out the things we've seen on screen. So I think the lesson here is that this is all bullshit and you should not only not overthink it, you shouldn't any level at all think it.
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LionArcher posted:So you didn't mind the mind rape by the main hero at the end of the show? And thought doing boring spec episodes of popular sitcoms for half the season with marvel characters was somehow "very clever?" followed by oh crap it's marvel we need our plot stuff crammed into it for the rest of the season? The peak moment for me in WandaVision was when Rambo's friends from SWORD show up and have her crash their coolest space rover into the wall of the otherworldly anomaly and it doesn't work at all. It was the most wtf moment for me. Like, did the showrunners have this rover prop they needed to cram into the show to justify it's existence?
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What? No, they just pruned Loki and the immediate vicinity. Edit: That was responding to Mulva
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Boris Galerkin posted:This finale was a huge disappointment for me because I don’t know who the gently caress Kang is suppose to be or why I should care. Well you're in luck because you didn't meet him! You were introduced a character the protagonists were chasing over the 6 episodes and concluded with their death. You'll still have time to be introduced to kang, properly. This was a bone thrown to the comic heads.
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