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I'll throw my weight behind Boat stuck. The added risk over an immediate strike is worth the potential payoff in intelligence.
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We may actually get less intelligence, since they'll have plenty of time to destroy everything. Hmm... when we play the message we should play it loud. Loud enough to resonate the hull and get the entire crew to hear it, not just the hydrophone operator. Maximises the chance of enlisted crew refusing a suicidal order from their officers. The Lone Badger fucked around with this message at 10:09 on Jul 8, 2021 |
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The Lone Badger posted:We may actually get less intelligence, since they'll have plenty of time to destroy everything. Please start the message with an extra loud rendition of L‘Internationale.
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Kitfox88 posted:It does make me wonder how much more of the oceans are now open for potential exploitation with TNE supported technologies, but it’s of questionable value either way beyond terrestrial biology or potential alien based. Deep-water aquaculture could certainly benefit from corrosion-resistant high tensile strength materials and compact energy generation. We have a planet to feed and people can't eat Duranium.
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Asterite34 posted:Deep-water aquaculture could certainly benefit from corrosion-resistant high tensile strength materials and compact energy generation. We have a planet to feed and people can't eat Duranium. Deep-water aquaculture is possible even without TNE-based technology. Unless you mean deep-sea aquaculture. But right now we still have an abundance of potentially arable land. We would be better of by distributing low-maintenance tractors, equipment for converting agricultural waste into fuel as well as using boronide-sieves to purify sea-water.
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Yeah, potential ultra-efficient desalinization could do a lot for arid areas in terms of potable water, something to maybe look into researching once we don't have the threat of a nuclear strike on the only recovered survivors of alien abductions. 
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Kodos666 posted:Deep-water aquaculture is possible even without TNE-based technology. Unless you mean deep-sea aquaculture. But right now we still have an abundance of potentially arable land. We would be better of by distributing low-maintenance tractors, equipment for converting agricultural waste into fuel as well as using boronide-sieves to purify sea-water. True, for now it's easier to focus on reclaiming arable land and advancing traditional farming, but if the last few years have proven anything it's that the oceans hide many secrets. We should probably set up a department for aquatic operations with an initial goal to prototype TNE-based vehicles and techniques for underwater exploration and resource extraction, and a mid-term goal to design and construct deep-sea bases and eventually settlements.
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Just going to being up that gladio being aware of the survivors being returned if true is another piece of evidence that My comrades, can we be sure the forces of reaction are not being supplied and supported by extraterrestrial capitalists Their behavior smells of CIA, space CIA
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Which one was the +/- Fanatics thread again?
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The Lone Badger posted:Which one was the +/- Fanatics thread again? To be less jokey, it was the War of the Worlds thread
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Kitfox88 posted:It does make me wonder how much more of the oceans are now open for potential exploitation with TNE supported technologies, but it’s of questionable value either way beyond terrestrial biology or potential alien based. Didn't the alien Captain in the weird dream thing have her ship sunk under the ocean before she got put in cryo? That'd be a motherlode of technology, assuming it's a proper warship and is even remotely salvageable.
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Yvonmukluk posted:Didn't the alien Captain in the weird dream thing have her ship sunk under the ocean before she got put in cryo? That'd be a motherlode of technology, assuming it's a proper warship and is even remotely salvageable. That's most likely the one that the Japanese dredged up
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The freaky alien dream implied there was a whole squadron of alien ships blown up and scattered across Earth, we found a fighter in Roswell and the Japanese have some kind of larger ship (carrier that supported the Roswell fighter? Lighter escort for that carrier? Who tf knows not me) but a single fighter and a single larger ship does not a full squadron make. An intensive sweep of Earth looking for the missing spaceship wrecks wouldn't be that wasteful of a way to spend the geosurvey crafts' time. Not like there's anything they really desperately need to get to surveying outside Earth, all the immediate expansion prospects are surveyed already and we'll need a generation or two of better engine tech before even thinking about the trans-Neptunian system.
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Crazycryodude posted:The freaky alien dream implied there was a whole squadron of alien ships blown up and scattered across Earth, we found a fighter in Roswell and the Japanese have some kind of larger ship (carrier that supported the Roswell fighter? Lighter escort for that carrier? Who tf knows not me) but a single fighter and a single larger ship does not a full squadron make. An intensive sweep of Earth looking for the missing spaceship wrecks wouldn't be that wasteful of a way to spend the geosurvey crafts' time. Not like there's anything they really desperately need to get to surveying outside Earth, all the immediate expansion prospects are surveyed already and we'll need a generation or two of better engine tech before even thinking about the trans-Neptunian system. Agreed, this is a good long-term use of the old boys until we build something that can get real far out. The earth's surface is, approximately, 3/4 ocean. We've found one ship in Roswell, Japan found one ship in the Devil's Triangle. If the ratios are consistent (and the ships crash on a random point on the earth) there could be two more downed craft in the ocean somewhere. My suggestion is the Indian Ocean. The dream made references to a Hindu deity, they may have concentrated at least some of their earth activities to the area around the subcontinent if they observed humans there enough to pick up the local word for Mars. Asterite34 fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Jul 10, 2021 |
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DelilahFlowers posted:From my reading... Every one. Goons. Goons never change.
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9:15 AM Pacific Time, February 14, 1983 PLN Los Angeles, SSN-001, was the first nuclear submarine constructed by the People's Republic of California. A triumph of PRCal's home-grown shipbuilding industry and the pride of the People's Liberation Navy, the boat, and her five sisters in the first production run, were heralded as the beginning of a new era for the Californian navy. The former US Navy ships and repurposed civilian vessels of the original fleet would be gradually phased out and replaced by modern ships, a navy designed and built for the specific needs of the young Californian state. As the pride of the navy, their locally-built submarines were also logical first choices for experimental TNE enhancements. Simple, unsophisticated, even crude, they've still noticeably improved performance - most notably in safe operating depth. Tritanium and duranium reinforcements to bulkheads, structural members, and the pressure hull have given the six Flight One Los Angeles boats a test depth of over 900 feet, absurdly deep for a submarine. This is good, as it makes them the only submarines within a day's travel capable of diving as deep as the HMS Revenge. All six of them were in the general area, and all six of them have, under the utmost secrecy, been dispatched. The plan is simple, but much easier said than done. They are to, slowly, very very slowly, approach the location of the Revenge from all directions. They will be too widely separated to communicate with each other, and too deep to communicate with the surface. They will not actually know for certain that the Revenge is even there, unless it moves, floods tubes, or turns on its actives. Hell, if everything goes according to plan, they won't even be able to detect each other, instead having to count on all the other captains in the ad-hoc wolfpack to follow the schedule. Once they have all closed into range of where the Revenge should be, surrounding the hidden quarry, the captain of the Los Angeles will approach their presumed position, and then call them will call a hidden enemy submarine will literally call them on the underwater telephone and deliver an ultimatum. If they do not comply they will be immediately destroyed. If they move, or do anything else, before this ultimatum is delivered, they will be immediately destroyed. Captain Sera was, like most command-rank officers in the PLN, a US Navy sailor before the Revolution, in his case a seaman in the submarine service. He has been doing this for his entire adult life. He has never been asked to do anything like this. He is going to be sneaking up on a ballistic missile submarine, which as far as anyone knows has a full payload of nuclear weapons in range of his home and everyone he has ever known, and yelling 'Boo!'. He must do this while the enemy is sitting there, motionless and dead silent on the seafloor, doing nothing but listening. It will be the most challenging approach of his career. It will be one of the most challenging approaches in the history of submarine warfare. It will also be very, very funny, if it works. He tries not to think about the consequences if it doesn't. The boat has been on silent running for five hours. They're keeping their depth shallow, above the thermocline layer, to mask themselves even further, and will only descend at the moment they are ready. They've got a bit of help - a flotilla of Coast Guard cutters is on location, ostensibly to 'prepare the way for the memorial ceremony', and they're under orders to sail around and drop buoys in the water and generally make an unholy hell of a lot of noise. They should show up like a beacon on the enemy's passive sonar, even at that extreme depth. Hopefully, focused on that, they'll be less likely to hear the approaching submarine - or her four friends, closing into torpedo range from all directions. The sixth sub will remain near the surface, just in case the Revenge somehow eludes them and tries to ascend to launch depth. Up and down the coast of California, under the guise of an unscheduled emergency preparedness drill, dozens of anti-missile and anti-aircraft emplacements are placed on alert, their missiles loaded and armed, their sensors trained on the Western skies. At China Lake Ordnance Laboratory, a pair of massive cranes lower the EXCALIBUR railgun prototype into position resting against a makeshift earthen berm, facing West, elevated to point at the sky. No one ordered the China Lake team to do this, but they've worked out that something's up, and if they're not getting to put their gun into space, they'll by God put it on the ground. Captain Sera's fine Soviet-made watch ticks over to 9:15 exactly, and, silently, with a hand signal, he orders the boat to dive to 700 feet.
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Mister Bates posted:The plan is simple, but much easier said than done. They are to, slowly, very very slowly, approach the location of the Revenge from all directions. They will be too widely separated to communicate with each other, and too deep to communicate with the surface. They will not actually know for certain that the Revenge is even there, unless it moves, floods tubes, or turns on its actives. Hell, if everything goes according to plan, they won't even be able to detect each other, instead having to count on all the other captains in the ad-hoc wolfpack to follow the schedule. Once they have all closed into range of where the Revenge should be, surrounding the hidden quarry, the captain of the Los Angeles will approach their presumed position, and then call them you know when its put like that our simple plan sounds absolutely goddamn insane I do sincerely appreciate things like this where it shows just how insane a plan is when it's translated from a high concept to actually being played out.
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It's insane enough to work!
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Dr. Snark posted:you know when its put like that our simple plan sounds absolutely goddamn insane All the really cool things sound absolutely goddamn insane. This just means we're not losing our touch.
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This is a fantastic plan and nothing can possiblye go wrong
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Mister Bates posted:It will be the most challenging approach of his career. It will be one of the most challenging approaches in the history of submarine warfare. It will also be very, very funny, if it works. He tries not to think about the consequences if it doesn't. Captain Sera is such a goon.
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Mister Bates posted:call them You used to call me on my sub phone Late night when you demand my surrender call me on my sub phone late night when you demand my surrender
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Then later on, on the dive home I called the sub from a payphone I said I was the reds and that GLADIOs in jail The state looks down on bourgeoisie And that's about the time that bitch hung up on me Nobody likes you when you're forty-three And are still more amused by ultimatum calls Who the hell is nuking me? Comrades say I should act my class What's my class again? What's my class again?…
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Stop callin', stop callin' I don't wanna think any more I left my head and heart on the seafloor Stop callin', stop callin' I don't wanna talk anymore I got my head and my heart on the seafloor Eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh Stop hydrophonin' me Eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh I'm busy, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh Stop hydrophonin' me Eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh Call all you want, but there's no one home And you're not gonna reach my hydrophone Out in the ocean, and I'm chillin' in the sub And you're not gonna reach my hydrophone
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Your depth was holdin', ripped ships, wrecks were showin' Hot sub, no wind was blowin' Where you think you're going, baby? Hey, I just pinged you and this is crazy But here's my number, so call me, maybe It's hard to look right at you, subby But here's my number, so call me, maybe And all our other subs try to chase thee But here's my number, so call me, maybe
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February 14, 1983, cont. They are approaching the Revenge from the seaward side, placing the wreck of the Ranger between them, using the noise of the creaking, groaning wreck to mask their approach. They are at target depth and less than two miles out now. Making less than one-tenth her designed operating speed, Los Angeles creeps forward, slowly, agonizingly slowly. The entire crew watches and waits in tense silence. No one moves if they don't have to. When speech is required, it is short, terse, and whispered. The sonar operators strain their ears, trying to hear some trace of their quarry on the passive sonar, but hearing only the wrecks, and, just barely, the distant noise of the friendly ships overhead. Hopefully that is all their target hears, as well. Adrenaline can only sustain this kind of high alert level for so long, and caffeine has had to step in to pick up some of the slack. One of the sonar operators reaches for his coffee mug, slips, fumbles desperately as it falls to the deck. Clang! As one the crew winces, and there's a brief moment of panic that feels like it stretches for an eternity. At any moment they might hear an active sonar, an engine turning, a torpedo tube flooding. In the end it passes, and the sheepish young sailor stows their now-empty mug and returns to business. Sera lets his mind wander a bit on the approach, wondering what the situation on the other boat must be, what the crew are experiencing, who is commanding them, what motivates them. Ideological commitment? Spite? Pure institutional inertia? Maybe they just don't know what else to do with their lives. The career submariner could relate to that. The moment they pass within minimum range passes unmarked and unacknowledged, though everyone knows it's happened. Below that range, their torpedoes - and the enemy's - will not arm in time. From this moment on, we cannot shoot, and the enemy cannot shoot us. This is it. Point of no return. We're doing this. We're committed. At length they are there. If anyone has noticed them, they have not reacted. The crew can hear the wreck of the old American supercarrier, a scant few hundred yards away, through the hull now. The underwater telephone is a very direct piece of technology. The signal is simple acoustic, audio, and it's essentially a very slight iteration on a technology that has existed since the late 19th century. The phone whose handset Sera picks up was designed during World War Two and is almost completely unchanged since then. It's actually more complicated than this, of course, but, basically, his voice will be played on a speaker on the outside of the hull, and sent out to nearby vessels, who can respond in kind. It's got a range of about 1,500 feet, and he is now 800 feet away from the reported location of the Revenge. Less than two sub-lengths away. He hesitates for a second, thinking about that. In normal navigation this would be a collision hazard. If the boat had portholes, and he could see outside, he'd probably be able to see the target, even in this darkness. If he ordered flank speed right now, he'd slam bow-first into the sub in seconds. He could almost reach out and touch it. In a way, he's about to do so. A few suggestions were bandied about for what to say, what message to deliver. Someone even pushed for them to open by blaring L'Internationale - which, while tempting, was ultimately scrapped as too dangerous. We need to communicate our intentions clearly and immediately; if all they hear is music, they may do something stupid before we even get to deliver our ultimatum. Sera has a short and blunt statement prepared, and he rehearses it again a few more times under his breath, until, when he's finally ready, he thumbs the Transmit key. Sound travels much faster underwater than on the surface, and the tone - at the moment a wordless signal, just 'I am here and I am trying to talk to you' - reaches the location of their target almost immediately. Sera imagines, on the bridge of the Revenge, the red light on the handset illuminating, and the phone ringing. For a second, just a second, there is nothing. PING. The sound of an active sonar, very powerful and very very close, shakes the boat. The Revenge has gone active. They know exactly where she is now, and vice versa. He continues transmitting the call signal, and, though he tried to be prepared for any eventuality, he's still a bit shocked when someone actually picks up. He can't make out emotion or tone through the tinny, low-quality transmission - but the voice is male, and very British, with what he thinks people would call an RP accent? "This is Her Majesty's submarine Revenge. to whom do we owe this pleasure?" "This is Captain Antonio Sera of the Californian People's Liberation Navy. You are surrounded. Surrender immediately, hold position, and await further instructions. Any movement, horizontal or vertical, will result in your immediate destruction. Any attempt to send any kind of distress call or communications, barring on this line, will result in your immediate destruction. Acknowledge you have received this message or be destroyed, Revenge." "Bollocks."
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Oh, some lore. Current Status of the Australasian Worker's Navy With the general disintegration of the Australian state, the Australian navy fell with it. Without the resources of the continent, much of the fleet became de facto mothballed. Due to this, while restored Royal Navy ships make up the bulk of the UAWR's fleet (alongside contributions by the Indonesian republics and the former forces of New Zealand), the actual structure of it is based off of the former New Zealand Royal Navy (although as the two were virtually identical anyway, this matters little to outside observation). While the fleet contains two restored aircraft carriers, making it the largest and most powerful south of Japan, the actual role of these flagships since their restoration has been described as "sitting in Shanghai, looking angrily at the Japanese just in case they try something." As for the rest of the fleet, it is primarily concerned with the protection of trade in the post-WW3 turbulence which has seen a resurgence in international piracy.
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Not ENTIRELY sure we should have manuevered into below minimum range, that could still get awkward if we have to fire torpedoes without the benefit of wire guidance. Which, if Revenge goes wild is ENTIRELY possible, if they make the count of submarines right and put an eel everyone's way, no captain can be expected to do anything but try to pull sick torpedo beats for the ~40 knots of runtime modern torpedoes have.
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The phone only works within minimum range (or so the unclassified numbers on the internet claim but who am I to argue with the guy at the DoD editing Wikipedia to have the propaganda numbers), there's half a dozen other subs in effective range ready to torpedo the gently caress out of Revenge if she makes any of the wrong noises like flooding a torpedo tube.
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Mister Bates posted:"Bollocks." 
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Aha, once again orbital oceanography beats deep-sea astronomy, we caught them completely with their pants down! Very well done, gentlemen.
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 I was a bit concerned, but it's a relief that the plan actually worked. Is it possible that the north sea communications are a decoy? Are there any other subs, RN or not, that we know of?
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I do hope it's "Bollocks, we're rogered." And not. "Bollocks to this, fire torpedoes!".
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