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Rotten Red Rod posted:He's never mentioned another job aside from the burlesque announcing thing, and he's hustled the con circuit for years. I'm pretty sure being a writer and artist is his intended career. Maybe. If that's the case then maybe he doesn't improve his art/writing because it's his job, so he does the bare minimum and then fucks off to watch anime/play video games/spend time with his family/whatever. I know that seems at odds with him saying he's excited to do something in the comic, but I don't think it is. Plenty of people get a new job and go "Oh boy, I can't wait to start at this new job!" and then it isn't what they expected it to be, or the monotony just gets to them, and eventually they're just doing the minimum they can do to get a paycheck and out the door at the end of the day. I dunno. Whatever the situation is, it's obvious that he doesn't want to improve his art, and he is clearly not passionate about what he's producing, but isn't putting it on hiatus or ending it and posting an apology note saying "Sorry I'm just not into it anymore/real life is affecting my work ethic."
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For once I'm actually happy for a recap, because I needed one and wasn't savoring the thought of having to crawl back through the comic to figure it out.
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Jul 19, 2021 11:53
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Jul 19, 2021 11:58
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"Keep searching for A Beginner's Guide to Lucid Dreaming" That's the whole loving reason you went to the library in Maltak in the first goddamn place! And there wasn't even a "Sorry that's been checked out/we lost our copy" you just straight up didn't ask for it and read some poo poo by Prento!
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Jul 19, 2021 12:02
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The fact that he remembers his original goal of getting that Lucid Dreaming book now is just insulting.
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Jul 19, 2021 12:15
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Now that we’ve established how awesome Dominic is we can return to Snout’s story Also lol “rejoin my friends”. We never saw them leaving in the first place, Mookie
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Jul 19, 2021 12:37
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But Mookie knew they left, even if he didn't show it, therefore all the characters and the audience also know it, because Mookie is literally a mental child and has yet to develop a substantial theory of mind.
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Jul 19, 2021 12:44
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i like how all these people that are ostensibly historically-important scholars in snout's time are listed by their first names only like they're popular youtubers
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Jul 19, 2021 13:03
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:But Mookie knew they left, even if he didn't show it, therefore all the characters and the audience also know it, because Mookie is literally a mental child and has yet to develop a substantial theory of mind. See also: why Snout didn't ask if the library had Intro to Wet Dreams or any books by J. Deegan, Mookie knew they didn't have it so Snout did too.
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Jul 19, 2021 13:21
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So how many comics will be devoted to corpsemommy feeding the goodest boy his yummy veggie nuggies and telling him he's a special lad while his tail wags?
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Jul 19, 2021 14:52
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And how many comics will Mookie bleed out of doing a recap?
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Jul 19, 2021 15:22
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Not sure this comic is all that great, but I'll stick with it.
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a cartoon duck posted:i like how all these people that are ostensibly historically-important scholars in snout's time are listed by their first names only like they're popular youtubers I'm just reading some works by some really important guys, you know, George, Thomas, John, James, Ben, John... e: It's a good thing only one person in the history of Deeganworld had the name Tara, or Garrick
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Jul 19, 2021 15:46
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To be fair, while for many otherwise mononymous people we often append some sort of locational or vocational name onto them to clarify; Leonardo da Vinci instead of just Leonardo, Thomas of Aquinas or Thomas Aquinas instead of just Thomas, you do have some truly famous individuals who are generally simply referred to by their given name with others of that name, but not them, getting the additional clarifier; we generally just say 'Plato' or 'Socrates' rather than specifying further. Which you know, I'm not sure Mookie would know since he doesn't read books, but also why the gently caress would we give him the benefit of the doubt, and also all of these characters have actual surnames - if I recall - so yeah.
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Jul 19, 2021 15:55
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Hey boiz it's your favourite philosopher, PewDiePie!
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Jul 19, 2021 17:14
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But that's also because formal surnames aren't a thing for most of human history. LIke Leonardo da Vinci's full name was Leonardo di ser Piero da Vinci, because that's how Medieval italians generated a surname structure (son of x, from y), if you weren't from a noble house. Everybody in Deeganverse has a formal surname like they have a census or something. Also, despite Prento apparently writing an entire book, the only information we or Snout seems to have gotten is from the preface. Like maybe the full names of the students could have been assumed to be somewhere in that big rear end book? No, apparently the only thing Snout had time to read was the intro.
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Jul 19, 2021 17:15
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Even if the book mentions their full names, it still feels weird to have Snout refer to historical figures by just first names. I know they're his notes in his diary and not necessarily meant to be read by other people, but even if I was writing notes in my diary about say, a book I read about civil rights leaders, I would not write Civil rights leaders: Martin, John, Asa, Bob, Whitney, James, Roy, Huey even if I know who specifically I'm talking about. Honestly, if I was going to refer to them by a single name (I probably wouldn't, but still), I'd be more likely to refer to them by their last names. We do that for presidents, even. Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Reagan, Eisenhower, Truman. I think what's going on is this: when you're talking about your friends, you rarely use last names (unless you just call a friend by their last name all the time). You don't go out to the bar with someone and then say "Hey we should call Rob Smith and Jim Johnson to join us," you just say "Let's call Rob and Jim to join us." Mookie probably feels the same way about his characters, so it makes sense to him to refer to them (even in story) by just their first names. The problem of course is that outside of some of the mentioned exceptions like Plato or Michelangelo (the uh, artist, not the ninja turtle, at least Leonardo da Vinci has an accepted surname to distinguish him), that's just not how anyone writes the names of historical figures that they don't know personally.
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Jul 19, 2021 18:00
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It’s also just, completely not how anyone has ever written a scholarly text. Formality in writing is a thing!
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Jul 19, 2021 18:07
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Breetai posted:So how many comics will be devoted to corpsemommy feeding the goodest boy his yummy veggie nuggies and telling him he's a special lad while his tail wags? You're assuming Mookie hasn't grown bored of her already and is slowly writing her out of this shitfest.
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Jul 19, 2021 18:37
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The name chat is pushing it. Snout's writing their first names because Prento only wrote their first names because they're his friends. Snout does not know their full names. It's still bad writing but the thread is drastically overthinking it. We don't need to invent reasons it's a bad story.
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Jul 19, 2021 19:54
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This is a historic moment, the only time Mookie has outlined any part of his story for any reason.
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Jul 19, 2021 21:26
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Just holding a crunch, total jock, no wonder his torso can stretch so long.
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Jul 19, 2021 21:38
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It just hit me that the first thing on Snout's to-do list isn't "Find the wet dream book that I went on this goddamn quest for" but to find information about Prento and his stupid friends. FFS, stop getting sidetracked, Mookie! 
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Jul 19, 2021 21:52
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Let's see..."Benefactor of the Wild Edge Library" we learned almost exactly two years ago (in July of 2019), in like the first half dozen strips of the new comic, and Snout knew it before that...he says in the first journal dump page that, "His name is in all my favorite library books" (because they were "donated from the private collection of Dominic Deegan" and so on). "Traveled to Asinotaph two hundred years ago" is the first concrete fact learned from the McGuffin notes Snout spends the first chapter of Legacy chasing. He and the audience learn it in the strip from October 9th in 2019. The fact that Mookie Prime made a journey into Asinotaph "where dreams are touched by the He A copy of The Dream Realm of Asinotaph sitting in a porn shop is the MacGuffin of the second chapter of Legacy, and we get the stuff about Order, Renewal and "the threefold self" in various infodumps surrounding it in April of 2020, complete with the least compelling magic sigils imaginable. Most of the above was already reiterated in a summary page on June 19th of 2020:  ...and then again a month later on July 22nd of 2020:  ...and all this summarising was apparently taxing, because Mookie took a break. Upon returning, August and September were devoted to "Natural Necromancy", the origin story for Corpsemom. A short chapter which has nothing to do with Snout's investigations. Then we get another very short chapter, "Dreamfinder", from October to the middle of December. In it Snout and Corpsemom wander around a bit, Snout teaches Corpsemom to read (2 strips), we see Arudak's floppy dong, and then they literally stumble into the gate that for some reason leads to Maltak and the rest of the plot, such as it is. That's all in the next chapter, "The Language Barrier", starting in January of this year. By February we're getting a multi-page infodump, which Ink Witch literally just hands to Snout. The first page:  So literally all Snout apparently got out of the Maltak Union Library is a short list of Deegan's students. And what I get out of this is apparently Mookie lost whatever thread of an idea of a story he had back around a year ago (when he summarised and then re-summarised the same plot points he just repeated again), and he hasn't been able to figure out anything since.
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Again, it was much more interesting when it appeared that whatever Dominic had done hundreds of years ago was secret knowledge that wizards were fighting over, rather than very well-documented knowledge that they can read about at their local public library. Mookie just sucked all the potential right out of that setup in the most amazing way.
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Good summary SubG, and just to empasize, this entire thing started about trying to chase down pages of a "book" that contained information the Ink Witch and Arudak clearly already knew, and all the "research" conducted so far is all from publicly available books at libraries. Not every story needs to be about an action hero. But, like, is this even a STORY? There's no mystery. They know what happened! What exactly are they trying to learn? Are they trying to figure out how to reverse it? Or is someone trying to take control of magic for themselves? THOSE things would be a story, but so far we haven't had any hint that's what might be happening.
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Jul 19, 2021 23:08
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Hmm what is the legacy of George Washington? Nobody knows! I better go read all these books about him and his history so I can figure out why he's such a big deal.
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Jul 19, 2021 23:24
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The real story is the harem that Snout collects on the way.
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Good summary SubG, and just to empasize, this entire thing started about trying to chase down pages of a "book" that contained information the Ink Witch and Arudak clearly already knew, and all the "research" conducted so far is all from publicly available books at libraries. Well yes but have you considered that reading books makes you smart and being smart makes you good and therefore snout is the softest goodest boy around? (Unlike those jocks!)
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Jul 19, 2021 23:35
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Mookie could just give up the ghost and crib from FMA’s “truth within the truth” plot beats, and it’d still be more interesting than this, because at least something would actually be happening.
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Good summary SubG, and just to empasize, this entire thing started about trying to chase down pages of a "book" that contained information the Ink Witch and Arudak clearly already knew, and all the "research" conducted so far is all from publicly available books at libraries. The whole thing starts out when pages literally fall out of the sky. The first page contains the name "Dominic Deegan", which Snout recognises. This is so astonishing to him that he immediately runs to his local al fresco library, apparently to confirm something he already knows--in the first major infodump Snout says he's "always wondered" about Dominic Deegan because his name is in all of his favourite books. So this is all to establish these things for the reader, which is fine. Whatever. So then he flails around for awhile. As I mentioned before, the next major advance is when Arudak shows up and literally hands him another page. After that Snout's next big clue comes in the form of a dream, in which Snout thinks of a name of a poem, quote unquote, by Dominic. The book containing the poem literally says: "For further reading by the contributors, please see: [...] 'A Beginner's Guide to Lucid Dreaming' by Dominic Deegan" (bolding Mookie's). Snout goes to his local librarian--a ball made of only one ball--and asks for that book. The monoball librarian says "Sorry! We don't have that book! Please try these other fine libraries: [...] Maltak Union Library [...] Have an adventure beyond the Wild Edge!" (bolding again Mookie's). This suggestion from the librarian came on December 20th in 2019. After that all of the information Snout gets is via infodumps from other characters, mostly Ink Witch and Arudak. Snout makes some minor contribution by asking a random stranger where to find a copy of Beginner's Guide to Lucid Dreaming. This happens in Mongreltown, whose name always makes me feel vaguely like I'm committing a minor hate crime by typing it, and the random stranger points Snout in the direction of a porn shop called, apparently, "Buuk Stōr". Which mysteriously but fortuitously had a copy of The Dream Realm of Asinotaph. Ink Witch does all the work of earning money to purchase it (and feed and house them) and she and Arudak gloss the contents for Snout. But I guess he bothers to pay attention to it. So that's where most of the rest of the "plot development"--in terms of the putative Legacy goes--happens. That was March of 2020. We start moving forward, if that's what you want to call it, on this stuff again almost exactly a year later, in March of this year. We get a pagedump of "Snout's Questions" to Ink Witch (and Arudak), one of which is "Is the Maltak Union Library close by". Ink Witch says, "A few hours from here. It probably doesn't have the book you're looking for, but we can go tomorrow". I guess we're supposed to believe that Ink Witch communicated all of the above to Veth at some point, because the next development in this plotline is Veth handing Snout a note reading, "Find me at the Maltak Union Library tomorrow. -Veth". But Veth is only there, apparently, because he's Daxethar's assistant (or at least that's what Snout tells us in one of his journal dumps), and Daxethar is only there (along with Thelonius Marsh and Sunflower) because Ink Witch and Arudak had identified them as people who might be able to "help" Corpsemom. The next day--a couple weeks of Snout wandering as lonely as a cloud later--opens with Ink Witch showing up to give Snout a brochure for the Maltak Union Library. She's helpfully circled "All Union Library cards accepted". Ink Witch then flies Snout (and everyone else) to the library in the Ink Ship. At the library, after a mysterious and apparently meaningless delay Veth appears to hand Snout a book. The book contains a note from Veth reading, "Read the poem on page 27. I'm curious to see where it will take you. -Veth". The poem is by "Adrak Bulgak, with J. Deegan". Snout literally just shows the page to the lady working the fuckin' help desk which is literally labelled "HELP DESK". She hands Snout a stack of books as tall as his torso. One of the books supplied by the help desk lady speculates on the identify of "J. Deegan", citing Lost Visions of the Seers by Prento Fallin. Snout shows this to the help desk lady as well, and (after some stupid poo poo about the library card) she hands him a copy of the book he's looking for. It's worth noting that he apparently doesn't get all the way through it--the illustration shows him flipping pages in the middle immediately before help desk lady shows up with the hilarious "TIME'S UP" sign. But anyway Snout starts acting all happy and starts inappropriately hugging people and wagging his loving tail and so on because of this. But everything he's pieced together so far has just been handed to him, in many cases...actually in most cases...literally. The initial motivation for the whole business literally fell out of the sky and (again, literally) hit him in the face. The next major piece in what for wont of a better word I'll call the puzzle is handed to him, again literally, by the monoball librarian (look for the book in the Maltak Union Library). Arudak literally hands him the "clue" about Asinotaph. A random strangers gives a pointer that reveals a book about Asinotaph, then Ink Witch does the work to obtain it. And Arudak and Ink Witch interpret the book for Snout, spelling things out, literally, for him. Ink Witch already knows where the library is (and apparently knows what books it has), and drives Snout there. Veth hands him, literally, the next piece of the puzzle, including a note directing him to a specific page to look for the next clue. All Snout does is take the book to the help desk, where he's handed, again literally, every additional piece of evidence he obtains. I mean that's all almost as many  as a Snout journal update, but it really can't be emphasised enough how little effort has been expended toward the ostensible main quest here. I've just invested more "research" effort composing the above post than Snout has in finding out about the Legacy.
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SubG posted:Let's see..."Benefactor of the Wild Edge Library" we learned almost exactly two years ago (in July of 2019), in like the first half dozen strips of the new comic, and Snout knew it before that...he says in the first journal dump page that, "His name is in all my favorite library books" (because they were "donated from the private collection of Dominic Deegan" and so on). Incredible, all of this "we're on the brink of learning what happened" poo poo for 2 years and all of it instantly explained by VISITING THE MAIN loving LIBRARY which everyone knows about. Brilliant memory / fieldwork SubG. loving hell.
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How does this compare to the pacing of the original run? Legacy's updating less frequently, but has more room on the page to move things forward, so 2 years of each should be comparable.
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Dominic Deegan is one of the most important figures of all time, now after two hundred years it's time for some random mongrelfolk to finally write his biography. Although it is Snout, I wouldn't put it past him to ignore entire shelves of "The Life and Times of Dominic Deegan". He's spent an entire day of research in an orc library where Luna and Donovan are two important figures in their history and somehow he's only got links to Miranda and "J. Deegan". Robot Style posted:How does this compare to the pacing of the original run? Legacy's updating less frequently, but has more room on the page to move things forward, so 2 years of each should be comparable. Trapezium Dave fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Jul 20, 2021 |
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You know, if there's anyone in the Mookieverse famous enough that they could be mononymic like Plato or Socrates, it would be Dominic and maybe Luna. Accordingly, I fully expect Snout to find a book titled 'the Life of Dominic' and ignore it or be baffled by who the mysterious 'Dominic' could be.
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Caphi posted:The name chat is pushing it. Snout's writing their first names because Prento only wrote their first names because they're his friends. Snout does not know their full names. I dunno if I was reading an autobiography of Thomas Jefferson and he mentioned his classmates and only referred to them by their first names I'd just assume they weren't important enough to remember, since if they were important people at the time he'd probably mention their last names so future generations would be able to find out more about them. So either Prento just mentions their first names offhand because he doesn't think people in the future will consider them important, or he did mention their full names and Snout is just referring to them by first name because that's what Prento would do casually. You're right that this isn't the worst writing sin Mookie has committed and honestly in and of itself it isn't that big of a deal but it's something that feels weird and off.
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:You know, if there's anyone in the Mookieverse famous enough that they could be mononymic like Plato or Socrates, it would be Dominic and maybe Luna. If I recall correctly, one of the books he read in Arudak's library implied that Luna's name is important enough to have spiritual/religious significance because while she's usually referred to as the Watercaller some would invoke her by her true name Luna. So, like, why doesn't every well learned or spiritual orc know this? God, I swear, the longer this goes on the less sense it makes.
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Mookie doesn't know how researching unknown topics works. Like if it's in a book at a library or other people know what happened, it's not unknown. If you were actually trying to learn something about someone who died 200 years ago, and supposedly nobody knows what happened to them, you'd have to find descendants and work your way back to see if there are any remaining possessions or stories passed down about them. You'd have to find things that they might have physically possessed and that their descendants kept, like photos or letters or family histories. But since Deegan is such a well known figure, there's nothing to learn. Everything has already been written. There's nothing new to discover that hasn't already been found, and all he's doing is like writing a book report about Deegan rather than discovering anything new.
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Going on an epic journey to learn who the mysterious guy on the hundred dollar bill is.
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