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Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

hey look,
a post

Aurora posted:

i was very sad about a couple of the deaths :(

its the risk with slashers :pensive_emoji:

i watched the 74 black christmas the other day and sob sob

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Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

hey look,
a post

Watermelon Daiquiri
Jul 10, 2010
I TRIED TO BAIT THE TXPOL THREAD WITH THE WORLD'S WORST POSSIBLE TAKE AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS STUPID AVATAR.
Short Hair is Cute, yes

Yuu Morisawa
Oct 4, 2013

Watch Creamy Mami

Cephas posted:

If there's one thing in Wonder Egg that is perfect and beyond reproach, it is that trans pride jacket.



I want it.

Willo567
Feb 5, 2015

Cheating helped me fail the test and stay on the show.
is that "shut the gently caress up terf" picture with lily from zls still banned on twitter? if i made a new one with her and without the gun, would i still get banned?

DelilahFlowers
Jan 10, 2020

Willo567 posted:

is that "shut the gently caress up terf" picture with lily from zls still banned on twitter? if i made a new one with her and without the gun, would i still get banned?

I still can't believe an mp brought that printed out meme to parliament. Lily is too powerful

Kwyndig
Sep 23, 2006

Heeeeeey


Willo567 posted:

is that "shut the gently caress up terf" picture with lily from zls still banned on twitter? if i made a new one with her and without the gun, would i still get banned?

I'd say don't risk it unless you particularly don't care about that Twitter account.

Taciturn Tactician
Jan 27, 2011

The secret to good health is a balanced diet and unstable healing radiation
Lipstick Apathy

DelilahFlowers posted:

I still can't believe an mp brought that printed out meme to parliament. Lily is too powerful

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyEFBm-A77Q

Taciturn Tactician
Jan 27, 2011

The secret to good health is a balanced diet and unstable healing radiation
Lipstick Apathy
Editor's note: Joana Cherry was removed from the SNP's front bench.

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

hey look,
a post
i hope i get to talk about my reaction to that in a ken burn's history documentary one day

Acerbatus
Jun 26, 2020

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
fuzoroi no renri gets surprisingly real at times which sometimes I really enjoy but did catch me off guard.

DelilahFlowers posted:

I still can't believe an mp brought that printed out meme to parliament. Lily is too powerful

sorry what

Snooze Cruise posted:

cw: abuse themes

Thank you for this.

Cephas
May 11, 2009

Humanity's real enemy is me!
Hya hya foowah!


imagine printing out a twitter meme in full color to show parliament how the queers are bullying you

Willo567
Feb 5, 2015

Cheating helped me fail the test and stay on the show.

Cephas posted:



imagine printing out a twitter meme in full color to show parliament how the queers are bullying you

i wanna tweet that meme at jk rowling so loving badly, considering she actually supports cherry

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

hey look,
a post

another kill switch

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Willo567 posted:

i wanna tweet that meme at jk rowling so loving badly, considering she actually supports cherry
it wont accomplish anything and will just get you harassed by weird terfs and probably twitter banned.

DelilahFlowers
Jan 10, 2020

Endorph posted:

it wont accomplish anything and will just get you harassed by weird terfs and probably twitter banned.

Which is why you buy twitter accounts to spam her twitter posts with this image.

Watermelon Daiquiri
Jul 10, 2010
I TRIED TO BAIT THE TXPOL THREAD WITH THE WORLD'S WORST POSSIBLE TAKE AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS STUPID AVATAR.

Endorph posted:

[...] twitter banned.

so its a win-win

Yuu Morisawa
Oct 4, 2013

Watch Creamy Mami

Willo567 posted:

i wanna tweet that meme at jk rowling so loving badly, considering she actually supports cherry

:stonk: wow same tbh

anyone who supports that loser needs to be publicly mocked

I Am Fowl
Mar 8, 2008

nononononono

Snooze Cruise posted:


another kill switch

:magical: What an ending

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

hey look,
a post


Mysterious new character in Relationship Guidelines — Photographer — Is she also a lesbian? (highly likely ofc) — Who is she? — Has mole

Mikl
Nov 8, 2009

Vote shit sandwich or the shit sandwich gets it!
Okay, let's talk a bit about Ayakashi Triangle. Because I'm the kind of person who puts more thought into something than the author seems to have.

(Fair warning for those who wish to seek this out: it's a manga by Kentaro Yabuki, who previously did To Love Ru. If you know who that is, you know everything already, but I'll be even more explicit (like this manga, ha ha!): there's a lot of gratuitous T&A shots in this manga. Like, a lot. Sometimes it almost crosses the border into softcore porn. So y'all be warned.)

The plot of the manga is thus: Matsuri is a high school student and exorcist, and Suzu (his childhood friend) has a very high spiritual energy, which makes her very tasty for Ayakashi (basically spirits), so Matsuri spends a lot of time protecting her. Enter Shirogane, a really powerful Ayakashi, who attacks Suzu to eat her; Matsuri isn't quite strong enough to defeat Shirogane but performs a forbidden sealing spell on him, but as he shrinks down to cat-sized Shirogane gets mad that Matsuri and Suzu are all lovey-dovey, and curses Matsuri by turning him into a girl.

So now the ongoing objective is for Matsuri and all his allies to find a way to undo the seal on Shirogane so he can un-curse Matsuri, while at the same time having some leverage to ensure that 1. Shirogane actually un-curses Matsuri (because Shirogane doesn't really want to), and 2. Shirogane doesn't immediately eat Suzu as soon as the seal is undone.

However: Matsuri seems to take being a girl completely in stride. He doesn't mind at all that he's been turned into a girl, and even has some moments where he goes, "Hey, this is actually nice" (like when he makes friends with Suzu's classmates, he really enjoys the friendship and bonding).

Also, Matsuri and Suzu are clearly still super into each other, even now that Matsuri's been turned into a girl; perhaps even more so than before.

This manga, to be quite honest, feels like a bit like a modern version of Ranma 1/2: it plays around with gender in a way that can be easily read as queer, while likely being 100% unintentional about it. Even though it has some weird hangups about gender and sexuality, like it seems adamant in trying to tell the reader that yuri is forbidden love (i.e. girls can't love other girls in a romantic way).

Like, to give an example of the kind of stuff that's in this thing: in the latest chapter (as of this writing) one of Matsuri and Suzu's friends finds out about them fighting malicious spirits, and they have to explain it to her; she goes "Huh, that's surprising, but in the end it's not a big deal. But you're not hiding anything else, right?" Matsuru and Suzu sweat a bit, but then go, "No, there's nothing else."

And then this happens:




In the first pic: it's very easy to give a trans reading to "If they find out, they'll hate me." And in the second pic... Dear readers, I guarantee you this isn't the first time Matsuri has considered staying a girl for good; it's probably the first time they're said it out loud, though.

So yeah, wanna a tl;dr version of what I've written?

This is a gender-bending manga that's been written without any intention of being queer, but is really easy to read as such.

This has been an episode of "Mikl puts more thought into something that the author seems to have," like and subscribe, follow me on twitter and subscribe to my patreon.


(Ayakashi Triangle runs in Jump, so it can be read on the Manga Plus website -- and I assume, also other places. Again, a reminder that it's very NSFW.)

Mikl fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Jul 21, 2021

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

hey look,
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Oh yeah I forgot i was reading that! I was relying on mangadex to tell me when there was a new update on plus.

Mikl posted:

This is a gender-bending manga that's been written without any intention of being queer, but is really easy to read as such.

This has been an episode of "Mikl puts more thought into something that the author seems to have," like and subscribe, follow me on twitter and subscribe to my patreon.

Its been a while since I read so tbf you have seen more then me at this point, but I just don't know if this is completely fair? Like yeah the author seems focus on just writing more of a silly romcom thing then anything but like people are much more aware of trans stuff. So I dunno maybe the author isn't that clueless. I doubt it will never get into the nifty gritty reality of it or anything but yeah.

e: yet another update for kill switch!

Snooze Cruise fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Jul 21, 2021

I Am Fowl
Mar 8, 2008

nononononono
Kill Switch is getting so dramatic!

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

hey look,
a post
some updates
With a Lady Who Likes My Sister
(this is the one where the mc becomes roomates with the author who has a crush on her sister)

the crossdressing yuri thing updated again

Snooze Cruise fucked around with this message at 03:41 on Aug 26, 2021

Acerbatus
Jun 26, 2020

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Snooze Cruise posted:

some updates

This is gonna be a trainwreck and I am here for it.

Somebody fucked around with this message at 03:50 on Aug 26, 2021

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

yeah honestly theres a thing in this thread where people just kinda assume that they know more about transness/gayness/etc than the author of any random manga they happen to read. like there's never thought that maybe the author fully understands what they're doing and just likes playing at boundaries without getting into the nitty gritty is what interests them. its kind of a lame way to read art.

like i assure you, you arent putting more thought in than the author did.

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

hey look,
a post
Just finished reading Goodbye, Battle Princess Peony





I liked it. I was hoping for something with a bit more teeth based off of the description, but it was really cute and I enjoy the art and designs. I need to check out Mira Chua's other stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFEIyuKn6wE
i like how this trailer almost feels like a umineko op

Acerbatus
Jun 26, 2020

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I'd only read the first few chapters (pre-serialization I think?) of until I become a girl, but it's actually pretty good!. I do kinda hope they don't go for that swerve a lot of gender change manga go where it's like "Oh I was attracted to girls but now that I am one I'm actually into guys!". Like it's totally fine for that to happen but so often the way it's presented is less "I realize I'm into guys" and more "Because I am a girl, I am now into guys" which is... Biotruths-y? for lack of a better term.

Mikl
Nov 8, 2009

Vote shit sandwich or the shit sandwich gets it!

Endorph posted:

yeah honestly theres a thing in this thread where people just kinda assume that they know more about transness/gayness/etc than the author of any random manga they happen to read. like there's never thought that maybe the author fully understands what they're doing and just likes playing at boundaries without getting into the nitty gritty is what interests them. its kind of a lame way to read art.

like i assure you, you arent putting more thought in than the author did.

You're right. I'm sure the cishet male author of a manga that hasn't demonstrated any awareness of gender and sexuality issues beyond the occasional joke is more aware of those issues than an actual trans woman and trans activist, who does real, tangible activism work in the field, and who's a published author of queer and trans fiction.

Silly me.

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

hey look,
a post
i think it was funny the time people in the shoujo thread were asking if the manga "magical trans" was trans

this isn't really related to what is going on im just kinda reminded of it and i found that funny

anyway while i think miki might be wrong about how clueless the author is like... even if they aren't that doesn't mean they are going to be like interested in trans issues even if it informs their work, and i wouldn't assume either way until i see evidence.

also its not really like, an amount of thought put into something thing at all. like of course an author is going to put more thought in their work then the average reader but that doesn't mean they are thinking of everything. part of the thing of reading gay subtext into works is people do sometimes write gay poo poo without meaning to. it can happen for a variety of reasons, whether its repress feelings, the artist kinda picking up subconscious stuff from society, or completely by accident. not that this is really a factor into this convo, because i do think the author probably has heard of trans people but, its just not really a matter of thought here.

Snooze Cruise fucked around with this message at 06:00 on Jul 24, 2021

Mikl
Nov 8, 2009

Vote shit sandwich or the shit sandwich gets it!
Which is fair, but the entire point of my post was "I put more thought into [the queer issues in] this manga than the author did." Since I spent the whole post talking about those, I thought the part between brackets was implied.

Also, even if queer issues do not inform an author when they write a work, they absolutely do inform the reading. Take Ranma 1/2 for example: Takahashi has been very clear over the years, in interviews and such, that she gave no thought to Ranma's curse beyond "he turns into a girl when splashed with water and that can be used for fun gags," and yet the amount of analysis that has been written about it could fill several libraries.

Plus, there is death of the author to consider: once something is published, any reading of it which is supported by the text is valid, whether the author originally intended it or not.

Which is to say: yes, I am reasonably certain I'm putting more thought into my analysis of queer issues in Ayakashi Triangle than the author gave thought to those issues while writing it.

Aurora
Jan 7, 2008

Mikl posted:

You're right. I'm sure the cishet male author of a manga that hasn't demonstrated any awareness of gender and sexuality issues beyond the occasional joke is more aware of those issues than an actual trans woman and trans activist, who does real, tangible activism work in the field, and who's a published author of queer and trans fiction.

Silly me.

hmmm

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

hey look,
a post

Mikl posted:

Which is fair, but the entire point of my post was "I put more thought into [the queer issues in] this manga than the author did." Since I spent the whole post talking about those, I thought the part between brackets was implied.

tbc i got that i was replying to en with the thought stuff

Snooze Cruise fucked around with this message at 06:42 on Jul 24, 2021

Aurora
Jan 7, 2008

Snooze Cruise posted:

its the risk with slashers :pensive_emoji:

i watched the 74 black christmas the other day and sob sob

the thought occurred to me while watching but was simon like nb coded or were they trying to say something else with that char. it kind of seemed like nb coding

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

hey look,
a post

Aurora posted:

the thought occurred to me while watching but was simon like nb coded or were they trying to say something else with that char. it kind of seemed like nb coding

who is simon...

Aurora
Jan 7, 2008

Snooze Cruise posted:

who is simon...

hosed up you don't remember the other guy from the first movie that died that wasn't the brother

Aurora
Jan 7, 2008

although maybe you thought i meant 74 black christmas which is understandable

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

hey look,
a post
its kinda exhausting this thread has to like blow up into a silly fight like, imo miki's tone in the initial post felt patronizing to me a bit but like the whole put more thought thing would only be said to try to guilt someone and like directing it to the entire thread was just needlessly aggressive

then again i yell at people and make fun of folks all the time so i guess im hypocrite...


Aurora posted:

although maybe you thought i meant 74 black christmas which is understandable

YOU FUCKER YOU WATCHED THE WRONG MOVIE

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

hey look,
a post
what do you think the number 74 meant in my post... WHAT DId YOU THINK

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Aurora
Jan 7, 2008

Snooze Cruise posted:

what do you think the number 74 meant in my post... WHAT DId YOU THINK

i was still talking about fear street i'm sorry 😭

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