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TheFluff posted:here in Sweden everyone's yearly taxable income is a matter of public record and you can look it up with one of several services for less than a buck if you know someone's personal number (which is your birth date plus four digits and not a sensitive identifier in itself). despite this we still do the whole circus with not naming numbers. even if you did look someone's income up you could never talk about it; that would be rude and weird. lovely employers probably abuse this to lowball. a recruiter tried to strong arm me into naming a number by casually dropping this fact. it keeps popping up from my subconscious, usually when I try to fall asleep. it’s my jerk store moment. for closure, I did end up taking the job for a decent number and proceeded to tell my new boss how terrible my experience with this recruiter was.
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Its not necessary and a bad idea to lie in the interview/hiring process. For one, the reason you're lying is because you're too stupid to create a positive, truthful...or at least truthy...spin on reality. You don't have to be forthcoming about everything they might want to know, but don't lie. Just figure out the myspace angle for your career. Second, once you lie its out there forever and if it ever comes to light that you were lying from the start it will cast a shadow on you.
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Jul 29, 2021 13:59
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*me, mid drawing a "1" in front of some numbers on a recent paystub*: they're wrong, this feels legit
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Jul 29, 2021 14:54
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Kernel Sanders posted:a recruiter tried to strong arm me into naming a number by casually dropping this fact. it keeps popping up from my subconscious, usually when I try to fall asleep. the only correct response to some dipshit recruiter casually dropping that fact is casually dropping it's also public information to tweet @ the company telling the world their recruiters do this to candidates
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Kernel Sanders posted:a recruiter tried to strong arm me into naming a number by casually dropping this fact. it keeps popping up from my subconscious, usually when I try to fall asleep. what the gently caress, but also well done recruiters are scum. i've never had one sink quite that low myself. Asymmetric POSTer posted:the only correct response to some dipshit recruiter casually dropping that fact is casually dropping it's also public information to tweet @ the company telling the world their recruiters do this to candidates 
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Jul 29, 2021 15:05
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RokosCockatrice posted:*me, mid drawing a "1" in front of some numbers on a recent paystub*: they're wrong, this feels legit big  energy
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Jul 29, 2021 15:08
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Kernel Sanders posted:a recruiter tried to strong arm me into naming a number by casually dropping this fact. it keeps popping up from my subconscious, usually when I try to fall asleep. "If you think you can get meaningful data from public sources then I'm not going to do your job for you, but I'm still not willing to share private information at this time"
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Jul 29, 2021 16:14
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The biggest jerk store moment that keeps me up at night was playing a game of katan or whatever and one of my friends asked "well do you have any sheep (or whatever)" and the other friend looked at his cards and casually stated, "I"m not willing to share that information at this time". It felt like an anime betrayal to be explicit about keeping incidental information secret, but this apparently super common in game theory (and why my other friend is the one who regularly wins these sorts of games).
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Jul 29, 2021 16:18
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https://www.idealist.org/en/nonprofit-job/3f3c42000ccf4d2fac7f958d863cc839-executive-director-free-software-foundation-boston
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competencies: picking feet and eating in public
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I just remembered that rms opposed annual raises for fsf employees because he thought if instituted they would eventually earn infinity dollars
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qirex posted:I just remembered that rms opposed annual raises for fsf employees because he thought if instituted they would eventually earn infinity dollars what’s inflation?
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Jul 29, 2021 23:39
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well how are they gonna be able to afford raises if they give the software away for free??
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qirex posted:I just remembered that rms opposed annual raises for fsf employees because he thought if instituted they would eventually earn infinity dollars its factually true and when we're all immortal this post is gonna look really stupid qirex
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Jul 29, 2021 23:42
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Corla Plankun posted:maybe I'm reading this wrong but it sounds like you were helping people for free on their forums and so they want to hire you into support? It seems likely that that is going to pay terribly and i would never in a million years expect someone to move from support to development, but i could absolutely see slimy hiring people dangling that as a carrot to get you to accept a bad-paying support job just interviewed "so i notice on the application you talk about CS people moving to other teams, is that something you're serious about?" "yes absolutely, i was just in a 1 on 1 with one of my team leads talking about where all of her team members want to go, it isn't just some hiring fluff"
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i mean, I'm hoping for the best but saying that in an interview is the definition of hiring fluff if i were you i would put something on your calendar for when you expect to be moving up/laterally and have a plan for if it doesn't turn out. also please don't think this is a comment about you specifically or anything. I have been burned by a few employers in the past for similar bait-and-switch stuff and I'm just trying to make sure that everyone knows that mgmt can literally say whatever they want (as long as it isn't horny or related to insider trading or crime or whatever) to get you on the hook and you need to be ready for things to not pan out how they say.
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Corla Plankun posted:i mean, I'm hoping for the best but saying that in an interview is the definition of hiring fluff oh don't worry, i know
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Jul 30, 2021 18:58
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but i think buff has already said that they are ok even with what they are on paper being hired into, which would make this conversation largely academic.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:but i think buff has already said that they are ok even with what they are on paper being hired into, which would make this conversation largely academic. like i wouldn't want to do this long long term, but they're in a growth period rn and if they're legitimately serious about the team changing long term, then it's a fantastic spot for secfuck positions
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I'm going nuts waiting to find out how my all day interviews on Tuesday went. "We'll get back to you in one or two weeks" is going to be a long, long wait.
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RokosCockatrice posted:I'm going nuts waiting to find out how my all day interviews on Tuesday went. "We'll get back to you in one or two weeks" is going to be a long, long wait. man that sucks, at least my turnaround from today is next Wednesday at worst best of luck though fellow interviewee, rooting for you Raymond T. Racing fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Jul 30, 2021 |
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been putting out cover letters and CVs for similar remote positions, just got a  interview next week after putting about a half dozen in for jobs that seemed to be with companies that weren't complete poo poo. looking at 20% raise over current TCtime to ace this fuckin thing. i'm so ready to be remote. currentjob is a joke requiring all FT employees to be onsite 4 days/1 day wfh, yeah nope not doing it for computer touching
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amazon recruiting letters are wonderful levels of form letter robotquote:Hi [RecipientFirstname RecipientLastname], THANK YOU, {RECRUITING ENGINE PERSON}. MY FAMILY and I HAVE BEEN DOING -VERY WELL- THANK YOU FOR COMING ACROSS MY PROFILE ON DATABASE. I AM GLAD TO BE CONSIDERED FOR ALL ENGINEERING ROLES ACROSS COMPANY. I WOULD LOVE TO SOFTWARE ENGINEER IN SEATTLE BELLEVUE, NORTH CALIFORNIA, SOUNT CALIFORNIA, VIRGINIA TEXAS. MASSACHUSETTS, COLORAD MICHIGAN MINNEAPOLIS: TENNESSEE. NEW, YORK, ORGEON ARIZONA AND NEW, JERSEY. i am not interested. i have neither friend, colleague, nor feeling of freedom
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really good first interview with company, was an hr phone screen that was scheduled 30-45 but went over by twenty minutes, always a positive thing we briefly discussed compensation without saying a number as the rules dictate and was asked "does that pay band seem ok? we weren't sure if it was too low or not and we can adjust it up" and I hope there's a video clip of my eyes widening when that was said never say a goddamn number
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aeflux posted:really good first interview with company, was an hr phone screen that was scheduled 30-45 but went over by twenty minutes, always a positive thing I take it the number they said was higher than the number you would have said?
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CarForumPoster posted:I take it the number they said was higher than the number you would have said? yeah Colorado equal pay act requires companies to disclose pay band/starting pay/hourly rate etc in job postings. some companies are telling people from here now to not even bother applying I was content with what was in the posting but going to go high now
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searching for that on twitter has some real dumbass takes about people living in the state here being at a disadvantage because of it. lol i appreciated it as I could filter out some pure garbage postings real fast e: like this post!!!!!!
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aeflux posted:lol i appreciated it as I could filter out some pure garbage postings real fast 100%
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aeflux posted:yeah Colorado equal pay act requires companies to disclose pay band/starting pay/hourly rate etc in job postings. some companies are telling people from here now to not even bother applying yeah there's occasional recruiters who will ghost me when I ask what the salary range is [similar law in california] but gently caress them
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Feeling real nervous about my top choice here. They said 1-2 weeks to get back to me after we finished all interviews, and it's been 8 days. I sent a "thank you" note two days ago to no reply. Come on folks this is what I want to do with my career, stop making me sweat!
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RokosCockatrice posted:Feeling real nervous about my top choice here. They said 1-2 weeks to get back to me after we finished all interviews, and it's been 8 days. I sent a "thank you" note two days ago to no reply.
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i have about 8 years experience doing software dev and have applied to a few places with job descriptions very similar to what i do now and haven't gotten any responses which makes me think my resume isn't juiced enough to get through the automated resume filtering. whats the typical rate on applications (to mostly big tech companies) to at least phone screen/hackerrank/whatever?
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depends but with that exp if there's a matching posting you should at least be getting a reply to your applications. i have a similar exp level and if I applied to a place with a fitting posting there's probably a 75% chance they call me back for at least a phone screen. ymmv though I live in a tech hub
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just turn on the linkedin recruiter bait switch and let them come to you
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its only been 2 weeks with that switch activated on linkedin but haven't had too much luck, i replied to recruiters from aws and microsoft and never heard from them again which was very  , other recruiters have been for ai and blockchain start ups which is a hard passis there a worthwhile resume review service or something along those lines or should i just be patient with the recruiter game?
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just post it here
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https://imgur.com/a/xKx4uYq first 2 images are the resume, the 3rd image was the fancy latex version that I started with but some resume scanner thing i tried couldn't parse it (content is the same though). since i redacted the company names it may not be clear but i started at company 1, went to company 2 which was a local startup for like 8 months, decided it wasn't for me and went back to company 1. right before the pandemic i got promoted to "solutions architect" at company 1 which is essentially this company's version of principal engineers (without paying like it). opt fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Aug 4, 2021 |
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The 2nd version does look a lot better. Lead with your skills, a recruiter reading is just trying to match the buzzwords on a resume to the ones on the job posting. they don't really know what they are or what they mean a lot of the time so if they need someone with java, python, and asslib and you have those all listed right at the start of your resume it gives them a pavlovian pleasure response because it makes their job easy. You could probably have less detail in your job duties as well, at least for roles many years ago. looks pretty good overall though, I don't see anything that would turn me away from calling you
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thanks for taking a look, i'll make those tweaks and keep at it then
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