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Hasselblad posted:Baron had no way of destroying spice production. I think they meant that to affirm the Guild's ability to destroy Spice export.
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PeterWeller posted:I think they meant that to affirm the Guild's ability to destroy Spice export. Why would the Guild kill the export of the substance that they were so fundamentally reliant on?
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He is talking about Paul. Paul could destroy "a thing". The thing is Spice. Let's try to pay attention to the nomenclature we've all agreed upon.
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Aug 2, 2021 02:43
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Just reread the part where Jessica becomes a ghetto reverend mother. How did I miss the part where fremen were put on Salusa Secondus before it was made a prison planet?
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Aug 2, 2021 12:21
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phasmid posted:He is talking about Paul. Paul could destroy "a thing". The thing is Spice. Let's try to pay attention to the nomenclature we've all agreed upon. yea was quoting Paul.
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Aug 2, 2021 17:07
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DarkSol posted:Why would the Guild kill the export of the substance that they were so fundamentally reliant on? Not they would, just that they could. They could kill the "legitimate" export of the Spice and still get it from the Fremen smugglers, though. phasmid posted:He is talking about Paul. Paul could destroy "a thing". The thing is Spice. Let's try to pay attention to the nomenclature we've all agreed upon. GlassEye-Boy posted:yea was quoting Paul. Yeah, it's Paul talking about his ability to destroy the entire Spice ecology. It can also apply to the Guild's power over Spice export.
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Didn't this entire conversation begin with the question of what the baron gained for the cost of 60 years worth of spice mining?
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PeterWeller posted:Not they would, just that they could. If the Fremen kill the entire ecology of spice they're also killing themselves, with the spice addiction all throughout their culture. But martyrdom is the reward of the faithful.
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PeterWeller posted:Not they would, just that they could. But to what advantage that they don't already have over the Great Houses and the Emperor? The Guild already has a monopoly on Interstellar travel and could just put any force that opposed it to the interdict. The Empire needs the Guild, but I don't think the inverse is true.
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Blockading Arrakis or otherwise loving with the spice would make the guild an absolutely massive target for no benefit. They're very happy with the status quo - theyre enormously powerful, and the entire ruling class of the galaxy accepts their existence as inevitable, none of them would dream of openly challenging the guild.
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Blockading Arrakis or otherwise loving with the spice would make the guild an absolutely massive target for no benefit. They're very happy with the status quo - theyre enormously powerful, and the entire ruling class of the galaxy accepts their existence as inevitable, none of them would dream of openly challenging the guild. How would the blockading fleet even get to Arrakis without the Guild?
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The whole setup of the story is that the Harkonnens, the Emperor, the Guild, and a bunch of aligned major houses have been massively stockpiling Spice in anticipation of an interruption in supply. That's how the Atreides know that Dune is a trap. A temporary interruption is fine. It's the permanent destruction of production that's the crucial threat.
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DarkSol posted:But to what advantage that they don't already have over the Great Houses and the Emperor? The Guild already has a monopoly on Interstellar travel and could just put any force that opposed it to the interdict. Again, I'm just talking about their capabilities, not what they would do. I can't see a reason for them to disrupt the current status quo (as of the beginning of Dune). The more likely option is that they see the Fremen smugglers as a contingency against the Emperor and Baron's plot disrupting the current "legitimate" export system. Automatic Slim posted:If the Fremen kill the entire ecology of spice they're also killing themselves, with the spice addiction all throughout their culture. But martyrdom is the reward of the faithful. Their culture will be preserved (poorly) by the Museum Fremen.
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It’s been a while since I’ve read the first book, but is it implied that Ix may already have created an artificial navigator at this point?
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david_a posted:It’s been a while since I’ve read the first book, but is it implied that Ix may already have created an artificial navigator at this point? no its pretty explicit that they only do so in response to Leto's Peace
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Blockading Arrakis or otherwise loving with the spice would make the guild an absolutely massive target for no benefit. They're very happy with the status quo - theyre enormously powerful, and the entire ruling class of the galaxy accepts their existence as inevitable, none of them would dream of openly challenging the guild. A target you say? Who would attack the species that makes it possible to jump through space? I mean...how exactly would one do that? Shake their fist at the heavens?
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So what I'm hearing is "why doesn't the guild just collapse the galactic economy and let everyone starve so that they have to move to arrakis and mine the drat stuff themselves since they're only like ~0.00002% of the total population instead of living in luxury and exploring the stars and weighing in on human affairs on the interplanetary scale?" Gee, I dunno. Maybe with all their prescience they just never considered doing that.
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phasmid posted:So what I'm hearing is "why doesn't the guild just collapse the galactic economy and let everyone starve so that they have to move to arrakis and mine the drat stuff themselves since they're only like ~0.00002% of the total population instead of living in luxury and exploring the stars and weighing in on human affairs on the interplanetary scale?" paul does call them out for using their prescience only to chart a safe course as being what prevented them from getting on his level, iirc
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Hodgepodge posted:paul does call them out for using their prescience only to chart a safe course as being what prevented them from getting on his level, iirc We can't all be Chosen.
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phasmid posted:We can't all be Chosen. paul conquered the universe, but the guilders got even higher on space drugs. who is to say who chose the better path.
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Hasselblad posted:Didn't this entire conversation begin with the question of what the baron gained for the cost of 60 years worth of spice mining? Can't put a price on kanly
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Blood Boils posted:Can't put a price on kanly I like how kanly is this long term vendetta war of assassins but also kanly is something you can just call out when you really want to knife fight one of your fellow nobles.
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Hasselblad posted:A target you say? Call them dicks and when they land stick a potato in their exhaust port
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Call them dicks and when they land stick a potato in their exhaust port This is why they have those Guild Janitors following them around in the Lynch movie.
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Call them dicks and when they land stick a potato in their exhaust port quote:You're not gonna fall for the potato in the exhaust port? It should be more natural, brother. It should flow out, like this - "Look, man, I ain't fallin' for no potato in my exhaust port!"
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Is it still a secret of who's playing Feyd in the movie?
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RestingB1tchFace posted:Is it still a secret of who's playing Feyd in the movie? Sorry to break it to you
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RestingB1tchFace posted:Is it still a secret of who's playing Feyd in the movie? the story of a man, doomed to be but the shadow of another by which i mean sting, i have no idea who signed up to do it tho
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Hodgepodge posted:the story of a man, doomed to be but the shadow of another It’d rule if it was just sting again.
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RestingB1tchFace posted:Is it still a secret of who's playing Feyd in the movie? Lil Nas X. Actually that’d rule, I’d watch that. (My money’s on Bill Skarsgard, but I doubt he’s even in Part 1 so actually nobody.)
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Bring back Jack Gleeson to acting and have him tone down on the Joffrey-ness, that's basically how I imagined Feyd.
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My suggestion for a more Timotheé Chalamet equivalent would be Tom Holland.
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david_a posted:It’s been a while since I’ve read the first book, but is it implied that Ix may already have created an artificial navigator at this point? The only mention of Ix in the main text: quote:"Few products escape the CHOAM touch," the Duke said. "Logs, donkeys, horses, cows, lumber, dung, sharks, whale fur -- the most prosaic and the most exotic . . . even our poor pundi rice from Caladan. Anything the Guild will transport, the art forms of Ecaz, the machines of Richesse and Ix. But all fades before melange. A handful of spice will buy a home on Tupile. It cannot be manufactured, it must be mined on Arrakis. It is unique and it has true geriatric properties." and then a couple of references in the appendices.
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RestingB1tchFace posted:Is it still a secret of who's playing Feyd in the movie? I believe it's been confirmed that Feyd is not in Part 1.
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