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Dramicus posted:You do realize that by the time the Italian tree gets updated I fully expect Mussolini to turn into Goku and start making GBS threads out battlemechs as a bare minimum. Sorry but im going the Julius Caesar (Fate) monarchy route.
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ArchangeI posted:It's more that so much has relied on Germany being fascist, Britain/US being democratic and Soviet Union being communist that giving any of these nations new focus trees requires a lot of tinkering in other places, which means there hasn't been time to fit Italy into the production schedule with the attention it needs (because ho boy it is not a good focus tree in tyool 2021). I dunno I think it's pretty funny that you can go facsist as US or democratic as Germany but god forbid that Italy does anything differently
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I think what he meant was that creating different paths for the major nations caused so much extra work due to previous assumptions that they didn't have time to fit Italy in anywhere. For example, there are tons of events for various countries that just assume the Soviet Union is communist. If it's now possible for them to not be communist it means rewriting parts of focus trees of other nations and lots of events. It's all sort of intertwined. The Japanese, Yugoslavian, Czech, Romanian, Bulgarian, Turkish and American communist paths assume that Russia is communist. The event where Mao captures Chaing Kai Shek, and to some extent the German military cooperation with Russia is predicated on it too. I imagine a democratic Russia probably wouldn't consider cooperating with the Nazis in the same way. Etc. All of this extra work and testing means Italy gets the short end of the stick. Dramicus fucked around with this message at 14:04 on Jul 29, 2021 |
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PinheadSlim posted:I dunno I think it's pretty funny that you can go facsist as US or democratic as Germany but god forbid that Italy does anything differently Or how no matter what path you take as Germany, anti communism is mandatory as well as an anti communist crusade against the soviet union. It's also funny to play as ultra Churchill and go "no further appeasement" only to realize it only gives CBs for regime change in Italy and Germany because they assume no one else will go fascist in Europe without being run over by the USSR.
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Mans posted:Or how no matter what path you take as Germany, anti communism is mandatory as well as an anti communist crusade against the soviet union. I wonder how things would go if everything just went by ideology. Like, I'm pretty sure it's possible to do stuff in focuses for countries of certain ideologies (only thing I can think of right now is firing alliance invitation events like how Mongolia in Kaiserredux can send out invitations to like-minded countries in Asia), so it should be possible to give out CBs on countries of certain ideologies as well, I would think. That could possibly lead to even more lopsided wars, but could also make things a lot more dynamic.
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drat, maybe they should just leave Russia communist then
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giving every country multiple paths breaks down because the more variability you have the more of a mess things become. The minors being able to go suddenly communist is fine, because who gives a poo poo if the Netherlands or Hungary deviate from what they're "supposed" to do. Changing what Germany or the USSR do however, throws the entire event the game is built around off.
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I would be totally okay with Alternate historical focus meaning that every country is free to pursue any random path. You can see glimpses of this already, but some countries have locked in alternate paths (kaiserreich Germany for example). The way I see it, if the game was changed so that clicking off historical focuses could potentially result in a world where literally every major goes democratic, that would be fine. You clicked off historical, you deserve it if you go fascist Italy and every minor and major embraces communism. But, the likelihood is more that you'd see the world dissolve into utter chaos, which is fine. Some alternate history games result in 4 way WW2s, while other resulting in slightly less historical historical games. What I'm saying is that countries that have alternate focus trees (like Hungary going democratic king) should be allowed, instead of the current choices for an AI alt-history Hungary being fascist faction with Italy and then dying to Germany OR failing to beat Austria and getting stuck with a Habsburg in the middle of Europe. A Festivus Miracle fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Jul 29, 2021 |
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Jul 29, 2021 16:46
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I dont know how much work it'd be on paradoxs side, but it'd be cool if there were alternate balanced paths that could be automatically selected. Where you have weird alternate history paths, but they all make sense to all happen together in terms of changes in one country spreading to others. And yes I know I can select what paths I want countries to go and save that setting. I just don't have the time to try and see if they all manage to balance out to being a fun ww2, and frequently it doesn't without some console usage. Though maybe this is more of something a modder could do.
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Agean90 posted:giving every country multiple paths breaks down because the more variability you have the more of a mess things become. The minors being able to go suddenly communist is fine, because who gives a poo poo if the Netherlands or Hungary deviate from what they're "supposed" to do. Changing what Germany or the USSR do however, throws the entire event the game is built around off. It's good when things are a mess.
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Jul 29, 2021 18:10
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Occasionally. Sometimes you get new and interesting powerblocs, most of the time its a bunch of countries either doing endless focuses with no conflicts going on or a minor power going unicorn then getting eaten by a major power.
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I always do like watching Mexico go down the "fight everyone and die horribly" path. Though I had one game where Mexico managed to get the USA into the Axis by going communism and declaring on every American country plus some the fascist Brits plus the Dutch.
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Jul 29, 2021 18:30
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Kild posted:Sorry but im going the Julius Caesar (Fate) monarchy route. as Saber or his unseen rider variant?
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Stairmaster posted:as Saber or his unseen rider variant? well I'd hope to see both in the game. If I can't pick which catalyst to use in the focus tree whats even the point
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Jul 29, 2021 19:28
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Type moon mod for hoi4 when????
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VostokProgram posted:Type moon mod for hoi4 when???? After the Gundam mod is finished. (It's surprisingly good by the way)
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Dramicus posted:After the Gundam mod is finished. (It's surprisingly good by the way) I played that mod for my LP, but I'll be hosed if I could figure it out. I recognize that there's a good amount of work put into it and it's thought through, but the dual-map gameplay going between Earth and space I just could not wrap my head around. That, and global warfare just is not my bag. Two or three different fronts on one continent I can work with. Six plus different fronts spread out all around the world... drat.
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TheMcD posted:I played that mod for my LP, but I'll be hosed if I could figure it out. I recognize that there's a good amount of work put into it and it's thought through, but the dual-map gameplay going between Earth and space I just could not wrap my head around. That, and global warfare just is not my bag. Two or three different fronts on one continent I can work with. Six plus different fronts spread out all around the world... drat. Sounds like the words of a person whose soul is weighed down by gravity.
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A Festivus Miracle posted:I always do like watching Mexico go down the "fight everyone and die horribly" path. I was actually considering doing a Mexico playthrough to do a Bolivarian Alliance for spy shenanigans, but then I realised I don't know if I can get down that tree fast enough before Republican Spain bites it, which I think blocks off some of the tree. It's the same kind of problem I have when I'm playing the Netherlands - it's all well and good to be able to invite Spain to my faction, but then I can't seem to stop Franco taking their lunch money. drat my miniscule war support!
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I openly think allowing alternative ideological paths is garbage and should be shunted to alternative history scenarios.
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Alternate ideological paths make a lot more sense in a game starting in '31 or '33 but that's a cause for hoi5 i s'pose
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Unticking the historical AI focus is alt history scenario...
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I like alt ideology focuses because it allows me to play any country the way I like to play them: as communists. But I understand that it can lead to balance issues, because if every country in the world becomes communist that would be boring because there'd be no war. Thus we need the perfect solution: an alternate scenario where every country in the world is communist but some hyper-specific and hyper-militant variant that thinks that every single other brand of communism is practically fascism.
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Ah, so most forms of communism then.
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Instead of communism, you now have Stalinism, Trotskyism, euro communism, hoxaism, titotism, third worldism, green book Islamic communism, African unity movement, national revolutionary, Maoism, posadism, nativist communism, Arab socialism and even that weird Japanese cult that killed every single one of their members due to being revisionist.
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Mans posted:lposadism bring back the alien invasion console command
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Still no focus for circle trigonism, though.
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Zorak of Michigan posted:Still no focus for circle trigonism, though. That'd be an alternative for Fascist USA, I guess.
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I want to be able to fight Hitler over Anschluss as Italy with an Austrian diplomatic focus
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I bought the humble bundle for this the other week and am looking for a beginners tutorial. Any recommendations? The humble bundle has all DLC apart from La Resistance so something that covers all they include would be perfect.
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Wasn’t there an old Posadist alternate Argentina mod? Where the aliens gave you advanced technology? Edit ahahah they updated it to 1.9 https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1156789523
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Cantorsdust posted:Wasn’t there an old Posadist alternate Argentina mod? Where the aliens gave you advanced technology? Yep, the same guy also made Apres Moi Le Deluge and he posts in this thread as Enjoy.
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I think I just had probably the easiest potential start to the Spanish Civil War for an Anarchist run it was possible to have and I threw it all away. I was lucky in the lead-up, because the Nationalists largely did political assassinations and that meant I had the political bonuses from the strikes ans PP to spare, so I decided to have a game of Duck Season Rabbit Season in the southern garrisons, because it turns out they will only focus on those two, so I was able to gradual securing enough of the northern garrisons that they were the ones who had an isolated pocket in the north. I think I had 70-something divisions to their 50-something, I quickly did some encirclements and cut them off from their capital right on the coast and I figured I should hold off before I accidentally ended the Civil War early and broke the focus. I pulled off the Masters of Our Own Fate right on cue - and promptly ran smack into the Carlist uprising and I foolishly didn't immediately pause and redistribute my divisions. Now I've got massive holes in my lines and I can't get troops into position where I need them because there's three enemy factions in the way. Curse my hubris!
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You can set the trees that countries focus on before the game starts which can help. Having all the central powers come back uniformly for instance. I'm quite hyped for the new ex-pac I haven't played vanilla SU since 1.0, and I think the changes to France/UK were great in their respective expacs. I do think they need to take a swing back at TfV and DoD tho.
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Horsebanger posted:You can set the trees that countries focus on before the game starts which can help. Canada still cant get rid of the depression and have actual manpower reserves in the same game 4 years later lol.
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Mannn the Soviet tree is looking good.
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Byzantine posted:Mannn the Soviet tree is looking good.
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:I havent looked - is it the biggest tree yet? It's pretty chonk, lets you direct the Five-Year Plans, sculpt propaganda campaigns, uses that "Stalin's paranoia is constantly going up, setting off purges automatically" idea.
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It only showed off Stalin's political tree too, so we don't know what the alt-history paths have yet.
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:I havent looked - is it the biggest tree yet? It's ginormous. It'd probably take you into the 50s to clear all of it, depending on how many are 70 day focuses.  Making stalin a field Marshall.
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