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peanut-: Feb 17, 2004; Fun Shoe

Well that�s the Vuelta over then. Good race.

# ? Aug 14, 2021 19:57

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# ? Apr 20, 2024 00:20

wooger: Apr 16, 2005; YOU RESENT?

Watched the highlights, why did Pidcock finish with a leisurely roll over the line after sprinting the first 500 metres?

Told to lift off for some reason?

# ? Aug 14, 2021 22:22

Loving Africa Chaps: Dec 3, 2007; We had not left it yet, but when I would wake in the night, I would lie, listening, homesick for it already.

wooger posted:

Watched the highlights, why did Pidcock finish with a leisurely roll over the line after sprinting the first 500 metres?

Told to lift off for some reason?

Ineos domestiques aren't supposed to try in TT's

# ? Aug 15, 2021 07:49

wooger: Apr 16, 2005; YOU RESENT?

Loving Africa Chaps posted:

Ineos domestiques aren't supposed to try in TT's

Yeah maybe, but what�s the harm? The lead rider losing face?

wooger fucked around with this message at 08:42 on Aug 15, 2021

# ? Aug 15, 2021 08:40

HappyCamperGL: May 18, 2014

wooger posted:

Yeah maybe, but what’s the harm? The lead rider losing face?

Wastes energy.

# ? Aug 15, 2021 08:48

TobinHatesYou: Aug 14, 2007; wacky cycling inflatable
tube man

wooger posted:

Yeah maybe, but what�s the harm? The lead rider losing face?

Pros will train up to ~150 CTL in the month(s) leading to grand tours, then quickly taper in order to avoid starting with a negative TSB value. By the end of a grand tour, they will be closer to 200 CTL with a TSB of -75 or worse. They literally have no extra fitness or form to waste.

A week of a grand tour can be north of 1800 TSS, aka >257 TSS per day.

My absolute peak in one week of training was 1540 TSS on ~29 hours of riding. It took me 6 months of a steady ramp to do that without hurting myself.

# ? Aug 15, 2021 10:32

goatface: Dec 5, 2007; I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.; Grimey Drawer

Please introduce your TLAs when you first use them, TIA.

# ? Aug 15, 2021 11:12

wooger: Apr 16, 2005; YOU RESENT?

TobinHatesYou posted:

Pros will train up to ~150 CTL in the month(s) leading to grand tours, then quickly taper in order to avoid starting with a negative TSB value. By the end of a grand tour, they will be closer to 200 CTL with a TSB of -75 or worse. They literally have no extra fitness or form to waste.

A week of a grand tour can be north of 1800 TSS, aka >257 TSS per day.

My absolute peak in one week of training was 1540 TSS on ~29 hours of riding. It took me 6 months of a steady ramp to do that without hurting myself.

Sorry, what do those acronyms mean?
I get the concept of saving his effort, but it seems pointless to include a top level athlete like Pidcock and not allow him to even try in a hilly time trial.

I guess I don�t see the appeal to Pidcock of going from being a world / Olympic champion in one discipline, to labouring as effectively a cycling butler for someone else who may or may not be as talented.
Just a matter of earning his stripes on the road first?

# ? Aug 15, 2021 11:21

carborexic: Nov 9, 2008

According to Pidcock himself he was simply out of racing condition: https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tom-pidcock-comes-through-horrible-vuelta-a-espana-opener/

# ? Aug 15, 2021 11:26

HappyCamperGL: May 18, 2014

better and more established riders than pidcock (kwiatkowski, poels, dennis,...) have ridden in support of the gc at sky. they know what they sign up for and they get their chances in elsewhere in classics or whatever.

# ? Aug 15, 2021 12:18

peanut-: Feb 17, 2004; Fun Shoe

This is his first grand tour, he�s just there to learn to what it�s like and how you survive it.

# ? Aug 15, 2021 12:32

MrL_JaKiri: Sep 23, 2003; A bracing glass of carrot juice!

wooger posted:

I guess I don�t see the appeal to Pidcock of going from being a world / Olympic champion in one discipline, to labouring as effectively a cycling butler for someone else who may or may not be as talented.

Bernal is a better stage racer than Pidcock. He's already won the Tour and Pidcock is talking about maybe being able to go in 2 years.

I mean, it's very likely that Carapaz - the reigning Olympic champion in road racing, not MTB - is going to be a domestique for Bernal by the end.

# ? Aug 15, 2021 13:10

TobinHatesYou: Aug 14, 2007; wacky cycling inflatable
tube man

wooger posted:

Sorry, what do those acronyms mean?

TSS = training stress score. The number goes up based on intensity and duration. 100 TSS is equivalent to an all-out 60min effort. It is possible to do more than 100 TSS in 60min if your normalized power is greater than your average power.

CTL = chronic training load. It is the 42-day moving average of your daily TSS.

ATL = acute training load. It is the 7-day moving average of your daily TSS.

TSB = training stress balance. It is simply CTL minus ATL.

To put this into relative terms, the average weekend warrior probably had a CTL in the low double digits. Someone who trains 10 hours a week will probably be somewhere between 50-85 CTL depending on how intense their efforts. >100 CTL is highly trained and ~150 CTL is peaking for grand tour or ironman status.

# ? Aug 15, 2021 16:03