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Still stuck dead at A18 on Silent. I still learn all the time, and it feels amazing how just the tiniest buffs or cards let me wreck the minibosses in Act 1. I think my 100% downfall is Book of Stabbing in Act 2. It scales SO AGGRESSIVELY and I just can't damage it enough or scale defenses.
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Finally beat A20 with defect. That leaves watcher but I wanna throw in my two cents that I think IC was the easiest of the A20's so far and silent was probably the hardest for me. Defect sits somewhere in the middle but it might have actually been the easiest on the journey because IC was a while ago. Time to refresh some IC and see if I can do an A20 streak. (Doubtful but gently caress I wanna try)
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Aug 17, 2021 21:41
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book of stabbing is weird to me because every other elite has obvious strategy and counters but BoS always just feels like "get lucky with card draw or have a very good deck already" and i dunno if ive ever beat BoS without also beating the a2 boss edit: assuming you dont have something like disarm or malaise ready to go
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Aug 17, 2021 23:33
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My favorite Book of Stabbing fight was when the Silent killed him in 2 turns while taking no damage. That deck was so much fun.
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Aug 18, 2021 00:30
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i’ve had plenty of decks that just pull upgraded seek, have a mummy hand and some biased cogs and frost orbs or whatever but the ones that don’t overkill it always feel very very close
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Aug 18, 2021 00:35
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Interesting. I've been doing heartkill ascensions and it always goes: Beat the heart with silent first, IC soonafter... Eventually I have the time to actually concentrate and Watcher get over, and it's always the defect that comes in last. I'm on A20 with everyone but defect, but I just keep having these great starts with defect, then wiping on either the second act elites, bosses, or the heart
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Aug 18, 2021 02:31
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Hey so uh. Before you add two Endless Agonies to your deck because they make the Storm of Steel+ you got from the whale really pop. Make sure it's not a Guardian act.
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Aug 18, 2021 02:41
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Hey guys, I think I figured out how to make a discard deck work at high ascensions.  See if you can figure it out too. 
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Aug 18, 2021 03:52
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MJeff posted:Hey guys, I think I figured out how to make a discard deck work at high ascensions. Figure out what? 5x of one of the most versatile rares in the game?
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Aug 18, 2021 04:24
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MJeff posted:Hey guys, I think I figured out how to make a discard deck work at high ascensions. By not going to Act 4?
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Aug 18, 2021 09:08
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Only 1 Calculated Gamble and no Gambling Chip?
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Aug 18, 2021 22:36
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Drunk Nerds posted:Figure out what? 5x of one of the most versatile rares in the game?  Walla posted:Only 1 Calculated Gamble and no Gambling Chip? I know, can you believe I only got offered one Caclulated? Talk about bad rewards. 🙄 Jedit posted:By not going to Act 4? I chickened the gently caress out and decided to take Tungsten Rod instead of the blue key. Then I dug at the last campfire and got Akabeko. Both completely did not matter, I easily could've gone to act 4. And probably gotten eviscerated by Beat of Death.
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Aug 18, 2021 23:15
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Yeah, I've stopped trying to tackle the Heart lately. And I'm still on the lower Ascensions.
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Aug 18, 2021 23:39
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Is it expected of True Gamers to go to Act 4 while ascension climbing
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Aug 19, 2021 00:21
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Kiranamos posted:Is it expected of True Gamers to go to Act 4 while ascension climbing I almost never do if I think there's even a slight chance that changing my pathing to get the keys will reduce my chances of winning.
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Aug 19, 2021 00:24
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Kiranamos posted:Is it expected of True Gamers to go to Act 4 while ascension climbing I always did Act 4 because its not like it costs you anything, you still get the next ascension if you beat the Act 3 boss even if you die to the Heart  Also just because having to route in the Super-Elite makes the game more interesting. Chest relic is usually free because there are enough bad/marginal relics that there's at least 1 I don't feel bad about skipping in like 90%+ games
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Aug 19, 2021 00:25
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Wait… Do you only have to beat Act 3 to clear an Ascension? Act 4 is actually optional?
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Aug 19, 2021 00:26
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Kheldarn posted:Wait… Do you only have to beat Act 3 to clear an Ascension? Act 4 is actually optional? Yep. Even if you go to Act 4 you still unlock the next ascension if you beat the Act 3 boss and it counts as a win. The Heart and Ascensions 16-20 were released after a lot of the rest of the game had been completed so it just kept the old unlock method and added to it. Same reason there are 3 keys tied to Ironclad/Silent/Defect and none for the Watcher.
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Aug 19, 2021 00:27
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I always go for Act 4. You will basically never be so close on beating Act 3 that one relic and one card upgrade will make a difference. I don't usually beat the Heart when I make it past Act 3 but it feels right to at least try.
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Aug 19, 2021 00:40
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WrightOfWay posted:I always go for Act 4. You will basically never be so close on beating Act 3 that one relic and one card upgrade will make a difference. I don't usually beat the Heart when I make it past Act 3 but it feels right to at least try. It's less that and more how going after the super elite can take you on a path that has a much lower chance of winning. It's not terrible difficult for that to happen three acts in a row.
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Aug 19, 2021 00:47
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I will go for act four in 100% of runs. It’s up to you but I enjoy the challenge that poses.
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Aug 19, 2021 01:08
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wow look at the guy whos bragging that he's never accidentally skipped a key on act 3 cause he forgot
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Aug 19, 2021 01:09
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Verviticus posted:wow look at the guy whos bragging that he's never accidentally skipped a key on act 3 cause he forgot Oh, I have, and i typically abandon the run when I do. It’s always the rest key too 
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Aug 19, 2021 01:10
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For me I can't help clicking on the amazing relic in the last chest that would make my deck so much better and, whoops.
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Aug 19, 2021 01:45
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Thats literally my most common reason for save scumming! So long as you haven't gone to the next room, it will reset the chest. God drat I loved the silent deck I got just a bit ago. Swear to god, 3 calculated gambles and like 3 each of the "discard to draw" and "discard to gain energy" cards. Also two bullet times for the hell of it even though they were probably a detriment overall. It wasn't quite good enough to go infinite even then, lots of other garbage, but it still carried me to a win just off discard synergy of those cards.
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Aug 19, 2021 02:16
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If I was playing on A20, I would probably go for the Heart every time, but right now, I'm just trying to get there.
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Aug 19, 2021 03:37
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droll posted:For me I can't help clicking on the amazing relic in the last chest that would make my deck so much better and, whoops. That ceramic fish holds so many possibilities!
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Aug 19, 2021 04:01
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TacoNight posted:That ceramic fish holds so many possibilities! Look, that's like another 50 gold you can add to the deck for the Act 4 shop, that's way more important than the blue key.
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Aug 19, 2021 04:03
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Has anyone here ever found a way to make grand finale not absolutely worthless? Feels like yet another example of a card that relies on synergies to work (stuff like havoc, that drains the draw pile without reshuffling it) that the silent doesn't actually have in their deck!
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Aug 19, 2021 05:06
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GlyphGryph posted:Has anyone here ever found a way to make grand finale not absolutely worthless? There are a couple of ways to do it, my favorite is the dumb speedrun way where you do the Pandora's Box glitch to remove all the strikes/defends and replace them with nothing so you just constantly play it with any card draw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhqNC0JSHKc
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Aug 19, 2021 05:14
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GlyphGryph posted:Has anyone here ever found a way to make grand finale not absolutely worthless?  It's rare, but it can happen. Lots of card draw and Well-Laid Plans are a must. Phantasmal Killer helps vs the endgame. Stuff that draws for 0 like Escape Plan can help fine-tune things. And then you just plan your fights very, very carefully.
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Aug 19, 2021 05:43
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GlyphGryph posted:Has anyone here ever found a way to make grand finale not absolutely worthless? If you can reduce your effective deck size to 10 or less you can easily set up Grand Finale every turn, and usually more than once a turn. Runic Pyramid makes it trivial, and Calculated Gamble+ with Reflex+ can easily take it infinite. You'll need the Medkit or some other way to exhaust to beat Act 4, though.
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GlyphGryph posted:Has anyone here ever found a way to make grand finale not absolutely worthless? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9K2dYvIGY5A Basically runic pyramid makes it a lot more viable because once your hand is full you can control how many cards you draw by how many you play. Discard cards and a small deck help a lot too.
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Dyz posted:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9K2dYvIGY5A Somehow I knew what video this was without clicking. Also, almost everything is better with Pyramid.
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Okay, y'all were right. I tried a grand finale & eviscerate deck and holy loving poo poo I just chewed through EVERYTHING once it got small enough. Had a few close calls early on by halfway through floor two pretty much every combat ended in one round. I took 3 more damage over the remained of the run.
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A good discard deck might be my favorite, combine that with grand finale and that's just 
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Aug 20, 2021 02:44
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Was having trouble getting the defect to click and then last night pulled two echo forms and that was a lot of fun. If you use the first play twice to play the second echo form you get three cards a turn that play twice each. Throw in a sneko eye and stuff gets pretty dumb. Like I killed the heart by filling 10 orb slots with dark orbs, strengthening them with repeats of darkness+ and then triggering them all at once with fission.
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Kiranamos posted:Is it expected of True Gamers to go to Act 4 while ascension climbing I try everytime. I feel incomplete if i dont at least die to the heart
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Aug 20, 2021 05:25
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Murgos posted:Was having trouble getting the defect to click and then last night pulled two echo forms and that was a lot of fun. If you use the first play twice to play the second echo form you get three cards a turn that play twice each. No, you killed it by dealing 400 damage by other means.
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Murgos posted:Was having trouble getting the defect to click and then last night pulled two echo forms and that was a lot of fun. If you use the first play twice to play the second echo form you get three cards a turn that play twice each. I love multi Echo Form! Me: Yeah I should take a 4th Echo Form, what could go wrong Time Eater:
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