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HopperUK posted:The Cratchits aren't meant to be poverty-stricken. Money is very tight for them but they have a house and firewood and Bob's job pays just about enough they aren't starving. Scrooge sees people living under bridges and such. The point is that he could easily afford to pay Bob more and make the family comfortable instead of struggling but he doesn't want to. what? his son dies because he can't afford medical treatment
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The Cratchits are probably what we'd call the precariat nowadays; they're barely keeping by but pretty much any unforseen expense might tank them, and Scrooge doesn't pay Bob nearly enough for how important he is to Scrooge's business.
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Aug 22, 2021 05:15
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Stexils posted:what? his son dies because he can't afford medical treatment Before universal healthcare even financially comfortable people could die from unaffordable healthcare, or the wrong healthcare. Tiny Tim could have died from going to the charity hospital where doctors still scoff at handwashing instead of one of the newfangled hygiene ones.
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for realquote:Oh, a wonderful pudding! Bob Cratchit said, and calmly too, that he regarded it as the greatest success achieved by Mrs. Cratchit since their marriage. Mrs. Cratchit said that now the weight was off her mind, she would confess she had had her doubts about the quantity of flour. Everybody had something to say about it, but nobody said or thought it was at all a small pudding for a large family. It would have been flat heresy to do so. Any Cratchit would have blushed to hint at such a thing. quote:There was nothing of high mark in this. They were not a handsome family; they were not well dressed; their shoes were far from being water-proof; their clothes were scanty; and Peter might have known, and very likely did, the inside of a pawnbroker’s. But, they were happy, grateful, pleased with one another, and contented with the time; and when they faded, and looked happier yet in the bright sprinklings of the Spirit’s torch at parting, Scrooge had his eye upon them, and especially on Tiny Tim, until the last. look just because all their clothes are old and patchy, and they can't afford shoes that don't leak, and they have to periodically sell things at the pawn shop to keep themselves afloat, and even on the biggest holiday they get all year they can't afford a large dessert, doesn't mean they're poor. i bet they have an xbox
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Because they're feeding eight people off a single income. They get their kids by the half dozen. Are they trying for a TLC show? Are they quiverfull? Did they not know better? After a couple you'd think they recognize a relationship between the Mrs' perpetually gravid state and Cratchit history of raw dogging.
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Aug 22, 2021 09:58
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A shilling wasn't worth 20 pounds, there 20 shillings in a pound and 12 pence in a shilling. A shilling would be the equivalent of 5p today. http://projectbritain.com/moneyold.htm
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Helith posted:A shilling wasn't worth 20 pounds, there 20 shillings in a pound and 12 pence in a shilling. A shilling would be the equivalent of 5p today. According to officialdata.org, £1 in 1800 is equivalent to £85.92 today. At 20 shillings per pound a shilling would be equivalent to £4.29 in today's money.
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I can’t tell if this conversation is real or a bit that y’all lost yourself in
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titties posted:According to officialdata.org, £1 in 1800 is equivalent to £85.92 today. At 20 shillings per pound a shilling would be equivalent to £4.29 in today's money. Ah, I should have been clearer, I didn’t mean that a shilling was worth 5p today but that because there are 20 5p’s in a pound it is the decimal equivalent of the shilling of which there were also 20 in a pound. My grandad use to refer to 5 pence pieces as shillings.
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My mother was a young adult when the switch from pounds/shillings/pence to decimalization happened and she says they were all worried that the new currency would be super confusing. They had like, farthings, hapennies, pennies, thruppeny bits, sixpences, shillings, florins, half crowns, 10 shilling coins and that's just the coinage.
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I didn't say they weren't poor. I said we're not meant to understand that they're the lowest of the low, the underclass. Perceptions of poverty in Victorian London were really hosed up. I didn't think it needed saying that anyone living that way now would be in horrendous straits. e: at least that's what I meant, I don't think I'm expressing what I mean properly.
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Pookah posted:My mother was a young adult when the switch from pounds/shillings/pence to decimalization happened and she says they were all worried that the new currency would be super confusing. They had like, farthings, hapennies, pennies, thruppeny bits, sixpences, shillings, florins, half crowns, 10 shilling coins and that's just the coinage. https://youtu.be/EosWw5RfLE8
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HelleSpud posted:Because they're feeding eight people off a single income. They get their kids by the half dozen. Are they trying for a TLC show? Are they quiverfull? Did they not know better? After a couple you'd think they recognize a relationship between the Mrs' perpetually gravid state and Cratchit history of raw dogging. Right and birth control was so effective and widely available back then. 
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Keep in mind, people without access to sex education may not necessarily understand how reproductive system works. And that's today, in the US.
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Thanatosian posted:I mean... Scrooge is actually right. Christmas shouldn't be a thing. It's probably the single most destructive thing (economically, psychologically, environmentally... probably some -allys I'm not thinking of) that we engage in as a society. *looking at a battlefield* "Boy, you guys are lucky you aren't dealing with Christmas instead!"
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Nitrox posted:Keep in mind, people without access to sex education may not necessarily understand how reproductive system works. And that's today, in the US. If you don't have sex until marriage you'll never get an unwanted baby. They taught us that at some point during the 3 days of civics dedicated to abstinence only sex ed
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Len posted:If you don't have sex until marriage you'll never get an unwanted baby. They taught us that at some point during the 3 days of civics dedicated to abstinence only sex ed What if you get married to an unwanted spouse?
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MrYenko posted:What if you get married to an unwanted spouse? Baby or never have sex. Only two options sorry.
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What about the rhythm method, he said trying to keep a straight face
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Splicer posted:What about the rhythm method, he said trying to keep a straight face I know what this means, but I always imagine it as a timing-based minigame that you have to score well at to avoid pregnancy
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Captain Hygiene posted:I know what this means, but I always imagine it as a timing-based minigame that you have to score well at to avoid pregnancy The secret is half A presses.
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Aug 22, 2021 19:26
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Back in that day you'd need a fancy French whore to even give a blowjob.
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Pookah posted:My mother was a young adult when the switch from pounds/shillings/pence to decimalization happened and she says they were all worried that the new currency would be super confusing. They had like, farthings, hapennies, pennies, thruppeny bits, sixpences, shillings, florins, half crowns, 10 shilling coins and that's just the coinage. There's a joke like that in a Pratchett book too, never fails to make me crack a smile
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Serperoth posted:There's a joke like that in a Pratchett book too, never fails to make me crack a smile It was in Good Omens quote:NOTE FOR YOUNG PEOPLE AND AMERICANS: One shilling = Five Pee. It helps to understand the antique finances of the Witchfinder Army if you know the original British monetary system:
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Stexils posted:what? his son dies because he can't afford medical treatment SPOILERS
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It's ok, I think it's an alternate timeline
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Marvel What If getting weird
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In this timeline Scrooge, tormented by his role in Tiny Tim's death, turns once again to the occult in an attempt to undo his wrongdoing. After unknown decades of increasingly dark phantasmic studies, Scrooge is unrecognizable, a shroud of tattered robes around an empty dark void in the shape of a man. But he has unlocked Time Itself. He must go back and fix what has happened... as the Ghost of Christmas Future
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Where do the bonies come in?
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Push El Burrito posted:Where do the bonies come in? The bones are their dollars
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bah, humbug.
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Maxwell Lord posted:The bones are their dollars So are the worms 
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Brawnfire posted:In this timeline Scrooge, tormented by his role in Tiny Tim's death, turns once again to the occult in an attempt to undo his wrongdoing. After unknown decades of increasingly dark phantasmic studies, Scrooge is unrecognizable, a shroud of tattered robes around an empty dark void in the shape of a man. But he has unlocked Time Itself. He must go back and fix what has happened... as the Ghost of Christmas Future
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Muppets christmas carol and treasure island were both extremely good.
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Gonzo as Dickens in Muppet Christmas Carol is right up there with my favourite movie performances and it's a doofy alien puppet. But it really works.
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Volcott posted:Muppets christmas carol and treasure island were both extremely good. very true I also really love the original Muppet Movie and Great Muppet Caper. Kermit singing Rainbow Connection gets me right *there* every time
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The Bloop posted:very true Watching the original while super blazed and realising at the end that the rainbow connection was the friends we make along the way had me bawling.
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Also Sweetums busting through the movie screen just at the height of the emotional payoff is probably the best brick joke ever, just an A+ movie all around.
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Reminder: Disney+ has the original Muppet Show.
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Captain Hygiene posted:I know what this means, but I always imagine it as a timing-based minigame that you have to score well at to avoid pregnancy I mean, that's basically what the rhythm method is if you think about it.
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