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Krillin was actively trying to sabotage him when they first met. Chichi held a grudge and fought Goku seriously when he forgot her. Bulma hit him with her car and shot at him. Lunch also shot him many times. Yamcha tried to kill him in the desert. Tenshinhan…well, I guess he did technically want a fair fight…Piccolo tried to kill him straight out. Vegeta too, of course. Oolong also tried to kill him when they first met. Beerus… Mostly it’s the young (his kids, Dende, Upa) and the very old (Roshi, Karin, Kami, King Kai, Whis) who’ve never tried to kill Goku.
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was fat buu trying to kill goku, i forget if he was wanting to when they fought
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Aurora posted:was fat buu trying to kill goku, i forget if he was wanting to when they fought iirc he wasn't but after Goku went SS3 he was pretty hyped for it.
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Nanigans posted:Krillin was actively trying to sabotage him when they first met. Chichi held a grudge and fought Goku seriously when he forgot her. Bulma hit him with her car and shot at him. Lunch also shot him many times. Yamcha tried to kill him in the desert. Tenshinhan…well, I guess he did technically want a fair fight…Piccolo tried to kill him straight out. Vegeta too, of course. Oolong also tried to kill him when they first met. Beerus… Yajirobe also attacked him when they first met (though to be fair, Goku did steal his dinner). But yeah, aside from the ones you mentioned pretty much everyone currently in Goku’s friend circle took a shot at him at least once
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Aug 24, 2021 03:26
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Even his not as close friends have tried to kill him. Some didn't even get close to do it (17) but the intent was still there, while others haven't exactly given up on the idea (Freeza), and at least one was straight-up paid by Goku to kill him (Hit). That's just how friendship works for Goku, and he's fully aware of it.
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Aug 24, 2021 03:35
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I think the gift of Goku is making everyone he's friends with realize they're into his idea of friendship, and catch parts of his mindset like an infection
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Tenshinhan and Goku did have a fair fight, but Ten was from the Crane school (run by Tao Pai Pai's brother) and was training to be an assassin. He broke Yamcha's leg and was planning to kill Goku for revenge
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Kinda legal adjacent (if it's too far on the wrong side of that borderline then let me know), but here's my latest effort in re-editing the entirety of Z: https://archive.org/details/dragon-ball-z-42-time-tricks-body-binds-30th-anniversary-legacy-cut-masquerade-1080p Consider this a sample.
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Aug 24, 2021 09:27
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Electric Phantasm posted:I like to imagine Cell trying to blow himself up was the final straw. Freeza is the definition of a sore loser.
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Aug 24, 2021 09:58
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Larryb posted:Ah, that’s right. Though have any of the shows/games ever done a “What if Goku never hit his head” type story out of curiosity? Not to my knowledge, but Multiverse took a crack at it.
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New Leaf posted:Not to my knowledge, but Multiverse took a crack at it. How’d he turn out in that particular universe then?
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Aug 24, 2021 13:21
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Larryb posted:How’d he turn out in that particular universe then? crazy canibal
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Aug 24, 2021 13:36
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Some Numbers posted:Tenshinhan and Goku did have a fair fight, but Ten was from the Crane school (run by Tao Pai Pai's brother) and was training to be an assassin. Tien got a few free hits in since Chiaotzu was paralyzing Goku from the stands, not that Tien wanted that
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Aug 24, 2021 15:30
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Nanigans posted:Mostly it’s the young (his kids, Dende, Upa) Look I'm giving Gohan at least the assist on death #2
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Aug 24, 2021 17:49
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Larryb posted:How’d he turn out in that particular universe then? Siegkrow posted:crazy canibal Basically.. I think this is the 3 chapters? They're not the greatest art honestly. https://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/chapters.html?comic=page&chapter=47 https://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/chapters.html?comic=page&chapter=27 https://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/chapters.html?comic=page&chapter=50
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https://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1171.html#h_read One more here!
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Dragonball Multiverse has been running so long there was an actual Dragonball multiverse tournament in the meantime.
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Black August posted:Even Buu got a "Wow cool, fun match, you better come back again somehow" Likely. Cell really worked as a capstone villain because he's an unsettling and powerful concept played totally straight- all the protagonists' own power and hubris thrown right back at them, and Goku basically sees a sick parody of his friends and enemies (and frenemies) as a completely remorseless, sadistic killer with none of the traits Goku can respect. That and/or Cell didn't really bring anything new to the table, he was just a total slog to fight.
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Also Cell is the only villain Goku had no direct connection to his defeat
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Goku never mentions Cell because while he probably liked the fight, he politely doesn't anyone to have to draw or animate all those spots.
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Aug 26, 2021 15:57
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I forget, why did Goku give Cell a senzu bean prior to his fight with Gohan again?
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Larryb posted:I forget, why did Goku give Cell a senzu bean prior to his fight with Gohan again? he knew Gohan could windmill slam the bug man into hell, but had not considered whether he had the disposition to do so or the love of fighting and breaking past his limits that Goku himself has
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Aug 26, 2021 16:10
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also, goku just loves givin' people senzu beans
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Aug 26, 2021 16:13
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Slightly Absurd posted:also, goku just loves givin' people senzu beans Anyone ever think about how Yajarobe is pretty much the entire reason there’s not an infinite stash of senzu beans?
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Aug 26, 2021 16:37
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Larryb posted:I forget, why did Goku give Cell a senzu bean prior to his fight with Gohan again? Gohan was waaaayyyyy more powerful than Cell and Goku knew it (while, like was said above, he didn't really "get" that Gohan wouldn't want to go all out) and thought that Cell would get beat up and become everyone's fighting friend like everyone else since Cell also had Goku "I love fight" genes. He just forgot that he had Freeza "I'm just gonna explode if I lose" genes. edit: The real reason is spots
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Caidin posted:Goku never mentions Cell because while he probably liked the fight, he politely doesn't anyone to have to draw or animate all those spots. Just have him go Celldorado and blam problem solved
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Also he did it because he's mean. E: you know who didn't give a senzu bean? That's right, Gohan's true ally, his closest friend, his ultimate nakama, some would say his "real dad" mirai trunks
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Also, besides spots, the other "real" reason is that Cell is genre breaking like Buu due to having everyone's potential and regen and drive to be the best and couldnt join everyone and would always have to have excuses why he couldn't join the fight like Buu does with being sleep all of the time. So he just stayed dead.
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i am going to kill Goku
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Not even Goku could kill Goku I don't think it's possible to kill that guy.
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Electric Phantasm posted:Not even Goku could kill Goku I don't think it's possible to kill that guy. It's entirely possible so long as you have green skin. Just ask Piccolo, Cell or Zamasu. Getting him to stay dead is another matter entirely.
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I'm still lost as to why Cell would even need a bean in the first place... like isn't he supposed to have infinite energy and infinite regeneration? It's like that whole scene exists just to highlight how irresponsible Goku is, continuity be damned - and honestly I'm all for it since the Cell Saga could easily be renamed "Bad Dads".
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Super Rad posted:I'm still lost as to why Cell would even need a bean in the first place... like isn't he supposed to have infinite energy and infinite regeneration? It's like that whole scene exists just to highlight how irresponsible Goku is, continuity be damned - and honestly I'm all for it since the Cell Saga could easily be renamed "Bad Dads". Cell, as far as we know, does not have Infinite Energy. ...he just absorbed two people that did
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Blaze Dragon posted:It's entirely possible so long as you have green skin. Just ask Piccolo, Cell or Zamasu. How exactly did Goku manage to weasel his way out of the afterlife during the Buu saga again (since he’s back to being alive and well come Super and GT)?
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Burkion posted:Cell, as far as we know, does not have Infinite Energy. ...he just absorbed two people that did Yeah, Cell was completely biological and didn't have the infinite reactor installed in him but became perfect by absorbing two infinite reactors that now were uh no longer infinite.
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Larryb posted:How exactly did Goku manage to weasel his way out of the afterlife during the Buu saga again (since he’s back to being alive and well come Super and GT)? Old Kai gave him his life
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Larryb posted:How exactly did Goku manage to weasel his way out of the afterlife during the Buu saga again (since he’s back to being alive and well come Super and GT)? Old Kai gave him his life... somehow. Idk, he's a god, it was a miracle.
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mmkay posted:Old Kai gave him his life... somehow. Idk, he's a god, it was a miracle. To be fair, literal Deus ex Machina stuff like that has been part and parcel of this series since the beginning (meaning death is often more of a slight inconvenience in this world than it is a permanent thing)
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Electric Phantasm posted:Not even Goku could kill Goku I don't think it's possible to kill that guy. i would simply poison him with cyanide or shoot him while he sleeps.
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Did that even end up making a difference? I don't fully remember but I think it was so he could go back to Earth and fuse with Gohan and that went to hell, so he fused with Vegeta who was dead anyway. And then he complained that being alive made SSJ3 less efficient when he was fighting Kid Buu, I think. Then I wanna say Elder Kai came back anyway when they wished people back partway into the last fight.
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