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Chronojam posted:It was Anti Plane ammo all along!? Sold! It's also anti panzer
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People are STILL mad at jets after BF4? Man
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Aug 27, 2021 07:14
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I just remember in BF2 seeing videos of people who just did backflips over their airfield, lobbing their bombloads into the sky because they knew the right angles to hit to make bombs shower down onto busy areas. Like some hosed up combination of the Blue Angels mixed with an Artillery battery. I also remember reports in 2142 of gunship pilots would test each other out at first but if both team's pilots were good enough they'd just basically declare a non-aggression pact and hunt ground targets and transports because a good pilot was just that much of a pain to shoot down. On the other hand one of my favorite moments in BF2 that I still cherish was actually shooting down a BF2 jet as it came in low over an airfield while I was riding in some tank's MG passenger slot.
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Aug 27, 2021 07:15
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Grondoth posted:People are STILL mad at jets after BF4? Man BF4? More like BF2. And yes we are.
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Aug 27, 2021 07:17
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Hot take: Jet's don't actually add anything to the game. In most cases they're just the cause of randomly getting killed on the ground with very little you can do about it. When they don't just play their own game of dogfights far away from anything of value. Helicopters at least can reliably defend a point. A jet pilot will kill like 3 people, have to gently caress off due to momentum alone, and by the time they're back they all got rezzed anyway.
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Aug 27, 2021 07:20
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Alkydere posted:I just remember in BF2 seeing videos of people who just did backflips over their airfield, lobbing their bombloads into the sky because they knew the right angles to hit to make bombs shower down onto busy areas. Like some hosed up combination of the Blue Angels mixed with an Artillery battery. FYI this was an actual maneuver taken seriously by the insane cold war brass: 
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Aug 27, 2021 07:22
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Sgt. Cosgrove posted:This is why bf1 is the best recent bf ScootsMcSkirt posted:make all aircraft vulnerable to small arms fire, especially jets Yeah this. I actually love pre-modern era BF planes, jets can gently caress off. Having the aircraft susceptible to small arms makes the game more interactive, and using guns and flak is more fun than playing cat and mouse with lock-on missiles
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Aug 27, 2021 07:23
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If they added the damaged wing mechanic from BF1 that might be helpful, but like others have said, lock on missiles are dull vs flak
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Aug 27, 2021 11:23
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Nitevision posted:The pre-nerf Mi-28 in BF2 Desert Combat stingers as super fast proximity detonation airburst rockets remain the best anti-air weapon the battlefield engine ever produced. 
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Aug 27, 2021 12:09
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could run the entire map unless the other team had a crew on the Cobra who were better with the TV missile. BF2 also had the bomber jets with TV missiles on the second seat and the huge bomb salvos on the pilot seat. Honestly they should bring that back, popping tanks from 1000ft up with a guided missile was loving cool
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Yeah, I hope there's some sort of direct-fire AA weapon in 2042 to complement the regular old stinger. Dumpstering skylords with the Fliegerfaust in BFV was surprisingly fun, although cautious pilots could generally stay out of its range. Hell, give me that railgun from that one BF4 DLC and I'll be happy.
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Aug 27, 2021 12:20
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The United States posted:BF2 with its incredibly fast jets, bombers with powerful payloads, nearly invincible attack choppers, pilots who could delete anti-air emplacements from outside of the lock-on range, and commander artillery was some sort of insane death is certain fever dream in retrospect. I still fondly remember when they introduced the DC stingers and they one shot infantry. Every map turned into instagib mode overnight untill they fixed it.
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Aug 27, 2021 12:48
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Yami Fenrir posted:Hot take: This is my view as well. For me personally i’d prefer if all aircraft in BF was helis/vtol/whatever that would both stay close to the action + could be damaged back by small arms
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Aug 27, 2021 13:02
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1000% percent in with the sentiment that jets/bombers/planes are just a massive annoyance.
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Aug 27, 2021 13:38
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I’ll allow jets in the new game if they also add the unnerfed Fliegerfaust
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Aug 27, 2021 13:39
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Jets but you can only score kills by ejecting out and then firing FutureSMAW in midair before parachuting back into your jet.
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Aug 27, 2021 13:42
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Planes are always poorly balanced. They're either worthless idiot chariots that take away people from the fight or ruinous powers from above that ruin the match as much as a hacker would. Helicopters are fine.
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Aug 27, 2021 14:08
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I liked when planes had to actually take off via runway because watching a bunch of people fight over a plane only to roll down the runway into one of your mines was amazingly satisfying.
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Aug 27, 2021 15:40
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PittTheElder posted:I especially love it when somebody spawns into a jet instantly on round start, rides it across the map, bails out to camp on top of a building, and the jet slowly sails down to a landing to be captured by the other team. This is the whole reason the pilot class was created for Battlefield 1.
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Aug 27, 2021 15:47
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I thought 1 got the planes right, eventually. Fragile, slow, can easily be swatted out of the sky with an AT round or a squad of LMGs. I think the only think I remember that was super abusive about the fighters were the lawn darts that seeming kill instantly and refresh by the time you've turned around.
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Aug 27, 2021 15:51
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Pilot class, though less so with the tanker class, was one of the best ideas DICE ever had so it was of course jettisoned immediately.
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Aug 27, 2021 15:58
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Took them a long time to make the AA stations repairable. A few operations could be made unbeatable if the planes took out the AA.
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Aug 27, 2021 15:58
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Charles 1998 posted:This is the whole reason the pilot class was created for Battlefield 1. This is why I usually run support with a repair tool so if I capture an enemy vehicle, I can use the vehicle self repair
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Aug 27, 2021 16:02
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Kibayasu posted:Pilot class, though less so with the tanker class, was one of the best ideas DICE ever had so it was of course jettisoned immediately.
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Aug 27, 2021 16:03
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Kibayasu posted:Pilot class, though less so with the tanker class, was one of the best ideas DICE ever had so it was of course jettisoned immediately. There was at least one poster in here who was really salty about the pilot class. But yea it was a great addition. I actually loved most of the pilot class weapons to. Double barrel shotgun, the automatic pistol, etc were amazing.
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Aug 27, 2021 21:12
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Yami Fenrir posted:Hot take: I can see you've never played BF3/BF4. A skylord with none to oppose them on the other team can easily shut down any and all armor. I know because we used to have our own Skylord who would regularly cleanse the map for us.
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Aug 27, 2021 21:27
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Raskolnikov2089 posted:I can see you've never played BF3/BF4. Actually I almost exclusively played those two games. Not with goons but I did. Those kind of players aren't in every game. Either way jets are still terrible and I wish BF2042 didn't have them.
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Aug 27, 2021 21:36
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look at all these people who don't remember "slidero in a J-10 vs literally everyone else on the server" in Wake 2007 or maybe you all do remember it 
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Aug 27, 2021 22:24
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I mean in BF2 Wake the Americans have to actually make it off the carrier and onto the island, so yeah no way was that happening
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Aug 27, 2021 22:41
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Chad Activision was able to shred HR reports AND release a competent presentation for COD at Gamescom versus Virgin EA fumbling Battlefield into the dustbin of history
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Aug 27, 2021 22:46
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Beastie posted:I think the only think I remember that was super abusive about the fighters were the lawn darts that seeming kill instantly and refresh by the time you've turned around. There was a stretch towards the later days of the game where they buffed the Ilya Murmots heavy bomber and it was just absolutely ludicrous. A trillion HP, you could cruise at the flight ceiling out of range of AA guns, and the cluster bombs would carpet half the map and then completely reload by the time you finished turning back around
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Aug 27, 2021 23:25
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:There was a stretch towards the later days of the game where they buffed the Ilya Murmots heavy bomber and it was just absolutely ludicrous. A trillion HP, you could cruise at the flight ceiling out of range of AA guns, and the cluster bombs would carpet half the map and then completely reload by the time you finished turning back around Cluster bombs that absolutely wrecked infantry paired with a massive angle 3D spotting camera to identify all your targets before hand was and still is insane but it's been toned down a bit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwR3r06Lfdg Trench darts were amazing especially when they would instantly kill other planes.
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Aug 27, 2021 23:49
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The only time jets in a battlefield game have been anything other than WWII planes with gadgets was BF2, every other game they're slow and rely on their gun to do anything. Man how in the world did people think jets were the problem in 4 when the scout copter existed, jesus
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Aug 28, 2021 00:40
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Grondoth posted:The only time jets in a battlefield game have been anything other than WWII planes with gadgets was BF2, every other game they're slow and rely on their gun to do anything. Depends on the map. Take Paracel Storm (or honestly any of the Naval Strike maps but never mind that for now) for example. A side can have upwards of 2 scout helicopters on that map but they’re never going to dominate the map for a few reasons. 1) No cover against infantry launchers. 2) Boat guns, especially the burst gun. 3) Mobile AA spawn if your team has B. 4) Jets. However someone who’s good with the attack jet will completely lock down the other team. They will have no boats because a good attack jet will kill them in one pass. They will have no planes because the attack jet will kill them both. Unless they got extremely lucky the other team won’t have the MAA because the other team will have gotten to the island with more firepower first. Scout helicopters can only completely dominate on maps where the only threat is infantry launchers and there’s plenty of cover from them. On those maps it will definitely feel like the scout helicopter is worse than jets but there’s fewer of those maps.
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Aug 28, 2021 00:56
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Bring back the loving pilum
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Aug 28, 2021 01:14
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Grondoth posted:The only time jets in a battlefield game have been anything other than WWII planes with gadgets was BF2, every other game they're slow and rely on their gun to do anything. Watch some Silk attack jet gameplay and come back. Also any decent pilot and gunner attack chopper team
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Aug 28, 2021 01:38
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Grondoth posted:The only time jets in a battlefield game have been anything other than WWII planes with gadgets was BF2, every other game they're slow and rely on their gun to do anything. Really in BF4 it's the choppers (of both varieties) that cause me the most grief and salt when they're flown by competent pilots.  *The best part is that the Attack Jet is supposed to be countered by the Fighter Jet but the Attacker has a much better gun and can turn just as well so it shits over everything anyways
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Aug 28, 2021 01:41
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I spent most of my BF4 time in the stealth jet, so I guess I just have a very biased perspective where attack jets were just meat, no matter how good they were, so I had no fear of them cause if they were causing a problem I'd just hop in the jet no one used and blow them up
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Aug 28, 2021 01:58
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I need new gameplay footage. And i need it now
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Aug 28, 2021 02:06
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jisforjosh posted:Chad Activision was able to shred HR reports AND release a competent presentation for COD at Gamescom versus Virgin EA fumbling Battlefield into the dustbin of history
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Look how beautiful this was. Just you and your copilot hand in hand, living totally in the moment. This is what you gave up when you were like Noooo aircraft can't be allowed to kill me  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGn5dzFiews
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