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Snowman_McK posted:loving hell what an rear end in a top hat. It serves as a sharp and grim reminder that it's not about sex to a predator, it's very much about power. I can understand that people have some good intention when saying this thing, but it seems simplistic at best and paints some image of a "standard" rapist that doesn't seem like it could possibly be helpful. edit: Here's an article I found a few months ago that makes a good argument about it, sorry I'm not super equipped to take it on and I don't mean to be super rude about it Martman fucked around with this message at 05:48 on Aug 26, 2021 |
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Martman posted:I've never fully understood this statement and it seems very categorical in a way that's completely unnecessary and tells lots of people how to interpret their own traumatic life situations. Are you saying the fact that he had easy access to consensual sex is proof that his rapes were not "about sex," but about power instead? Harvey Weinstein had all kinds of power, and could probably get whatever he wanted, and he just happened to enjoy using his power... for nonconsensual sex. How were his rapes not about sex? No. It's a rebuttal to 'he had sex whenever he wanted/is very handsome/popular, ergo he couldn't have comitted rape.' which was a pretty common defence. It is, itself, a rebuttal to the idea of the standard rapist.
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Ok. I feel like it starts from a reasonable place of "lack of access to sex is not the cause of rape" and goes too far I guess.
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I feel like what Martman is getting at is that the heuristic ideology behind “all rape is about power” is dated and not in any way applicably helpful for better understanding abusers or preventing this behavior from developing in the first place. How would one go about addressing “power” as the underlying cause of sexual violence? I don’t think it’s useless or that it doesn’t have its place in the discourse, but the discussion has moved on from that principal starting back in the mid 90’s, at least when we were studying it academically in the 2010’s that’s the ideaological progression the books were really trying to stress.
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Martman posted:Ok. I feel like it starts from a reasonable place of "lack of access to sex is not the cause of rape" and goes too far I guess. It's a very short phrase, it doesn't go very far at all.
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Bust Rodd posted:I feel like what Martman is getting at is that the heuristic ideology behind “all rape is about power” is dated and not in any way applicably helpful for better understanding abusers or preventing this behavior from developing in the first place. How would one go about addressing “power” as the underlying cause of sexual violence? I don’t think it’s useless or that it doesn’t have its place in the discourse, but the discussion has moved on from that principal starting back in the mid 90’s, at least when we were studying it academically in the 2010’s that’s the ideaological progression the books were really trying to stress. And like a lot of 2010s ideas it seems like it got abused into meaninglessness by the extremely online and the resulting pop progressivism pretty much had to be unlearned by everyone to make actual progress.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:And like a lot of 2010s ideas it seems like it got abused into meaninglessness by the extremely online and the resulting pop progressivism pretty much had to be unlearned by everyone to make actual progress. Yeah I’ve been reading a lot of sex work blogs about how young women and zoomer progressives who were raised on “Sex Work is actually empowering!” feminist rhetoric have effectively created an ecosystem in which it’s basically never been easier to take advantage of sex workers and disrupt their incomes. These people get brainwashed into thinking that being “empowered” means being in control of your finances and your body and abusive systems in the sex work industry find ways take young women who are making their own money with their own bodies and daisy-chaining them upwards into the commercial porn industry or commercial escorting in Europe or Asia or Nevada where suddenly your body is the property of an organization (if you want to keep your health insurance!) because all of the websites women use to dictate their own safety are made illegal. Getting rid of Backpage.com, for example, saw a massive uptick in violence against sex workers, specifically trans-women, and that was seen by a lot of progressives at the time as “empowering”. There’s also a lot of writing about how this parallels the college sports industry very, very closely.
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Bust Rodd posted:It’s one of the many reasons you should all support Lil Nas X in his quest to destroy the heteronormative rap paradigm and drive religious conservatives completely insane The recent furor over Lil Nas X and the whole satanism thing is really funny to me because he’s literally just doing what KISS did in the 70s. In fact, some of the same people up in arms about him are probably the ones explaining to their moms that it didn’t actually stand for “knights in satan’s service.”
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Bust Rodd posted:Yeah I’ve been reading a lot of sex work blogs about how young women and zoomer progressives who were raised on “Sex Work is actually empowering!” feminist rhetoric have effectively created an ecosystem in which it’s basically never been easier to take advantage of sex workers and disrupt their incomes. These people get brainwashed into thinking that being “empowered” means being in control of your finances and your body and abusive systems in the sex work industry find ways take young women who are making their own money with their own bodies and daisy-chaining them upwards into the commercial porn industry or commercial escorting in Europe or Asia or Nevada where suddenly your body is the property of an organization (if you want to keep your health insurance!) because all of the websites women use to dictate their own safety are made illegal. Getting rid of Backpage.com, for example, saw a massive uptick in violence against sex workers, specifically trans-women, and that was seen by a lot of progressives at the time as “empowering”. The common theme is trying to get people to realise that capitalism finally acknowledging them as being open for exploitation isn't actually a good thing. The whole #girlboss thing if anything doesn't get enough backlash, because it's about as open as divide-and-conquer capitalism can get. Coffee And Pie posted:The recent furor over Lil Nas X and the whole satanism thing is really funny to me because he’s literally just doing what KISS did in the 70s. In fact, some of the same people up in arms about him are probably the ones explaining to their moms that it didn’t actually stand for “knights in satan’s service.” It's impressive just how much being an openly gay black man breaks so many minds, let alone making art around it.
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Probably the best way to address this argument is that we've seen enough to make it clear that "it's not about sex, it's about power" is not all-encompassing. I think about something like the Steubenville case, or Jameis Winston's rape case, where the accused smells rotten but it seems like they have zero conception of consent, bodily autonomy, etc. Or cases that get branded "gray rape" (not a term anyone should actually use sincerely), like the one from the restorative justice segment from VICE on HBO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhFyGz8wQaY&t=999s Saying that the end goal of the accused in those types of cases was sex more than a power trip...I think that's pretty fair? Especially if we're talking about guys were raised to believe that they were entitled to sex with the women of their choosing.
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https://twitter.com/nytmedia/status/1430743958364295169?s=20 https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1431146032583397377?s=20
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A minder. A MINDER. In what other profession in the world would someone have a loving MINDER when they are a danger to the organization instead of simply being fired? Jfc.
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Aug 27, 2021 12:52
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Means one of two things, he has poo poo on his bosses or his contract has a hefty termination fee.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Means one of two things, he has poo poo on his bosses or his contract has a hefty termination fee. How does someone get that much loving leverage, I know he exec produced Price is Right, but he's way too young to have been involved with it before it was already an institution.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Means one of two things, he has poo poo on his bosses or his contract has a hefty termination fee. it actually just means he’s white, so institutionally he is required to be given as many second chances as is necessary to never appreciably impact his quality of life in any meaningful way. You don’t think the people in charge of the cable network TV studio that hosts Jeopardy aren’t old-guard media moguls who all look like Hugh Hefner?
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Bust Rodd posted:it actually just means he’s white, so institutionally he is required to be given as many second chances as is necessary to never appreciably impact his quality of life in any meaningful way. You don’t think the people in charge of the cable network TV studio that hosts Jeopardy aren’t old-guard media moguls who all look like Hugh Hefner? It means he's rich and white. This is the hosed up thing about institutional racism, there's a poo poo ton of white people who never experience direct benefits from it so don't believe it exists.
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I hope the minders job is to look up from their phone and glare at him anytime he's about to do something stupid or smack his wrist. Never speak just glare and smack.
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davidbix posted:Probably the best way to address this argument is that we've seen enough to make it clear that "it's not about sex, it's about power" is not all-encompassing. So I debated making a post about that based on my own experiences (did forensic interviews for child abuse victims as well as some adult interrogations) but I worry about either making a really triggering post or not being able to actual make the point I want to make. So please use your judgement about unspoilering the rest of this post, I sincerely don't want to trigger or even just upset anyone So the whole rape us about power thing is what I feel a vast oversimplification of what rape or sexual assault is and also ignores a lot of the reasonings behind a rape or assault. The bottom line is for pedophiles is while yes there is a power dynamic at play in grooming a victim, but really the abuser is doing this to get off. They are getting off on the assault itself, it's really not power for them. Same with rape, the rapist might be turned on by things like fear or causing pain or a victim struggling but and this is hard for a lot of people to understand or process lot of times the rapist just wants sex and rape was the easiest way to do that. And when it comes to guys like Kevin Spacey or the thousand other shitheads that have come to light, yes there is a power dynamic with how the assault plays out but again, the assault itself turns the abuser on and that's what gets them off I hope I made my point with this and can try to expand or clarify anything. I will say I don't do anything like that for work anymore which is good cause I was legit becoming an alcoholic (woke up one morning and realized it took 3 Ambien and half a bottle of Scotch to pass out)
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John Lasseter from Pixar was also given minders who were tasked with "reigning in his impulses".
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I wonder what those "minders" even put on their CVs? "Yeah, I spent the last 5 years babysitting a sexual predator. I believe this makes me qualified to work in this company"
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AceOfFlames posted:I wonder what those "minders" even put on their CVs? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKE9W0O8bX8
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AceOfFlames posted:I wonder what those "minders" even put on their CVs? Executive Assistant, probably.
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https://twitter.com/richardmarx/status/1432403334728585216?s=20 https://twitter.com/ScottBaio/status/1432466119869095938?s=20 https://twitter.com/richardmarx/status/1432477366496817153?s=20 Richard Marx owns
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It's never good when your defense is "um excuse me, I was only *accused* of rape, thank you very much"
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Richards is out as exec producer for jeopardy, guess that minder position for him wasn't enough.
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Midjack posted:Richards is out as exec producer for jeopardy, guess that minder position for him wasn't enough. Clearly had a friend in management, but then someone bigger came along and went "what in the gently caress are you people doing"
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AceOfFlames posted:I wonder what those "minders" even put on their CVs? I wonder what the professional qualifications are to be hired as a minder of free-roaming sexual predators, and how they compare to those of a parole officer.
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Rabbit Hill posted:free-roaming sexual predators I'm just reading this as Dan Akroyd in Ghostbusters and it's giving me a chuckle. "What we have here is a Class 5 Free-roaming Sexual Predator, real nasty one too!"
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CPL593H posted:I love when people just dispense with the Marx is actually a pretty clever guy on Twitter, almost makes me wish his music were my cup of tea El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 04:18 on Sep 1, 2021 |
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Rabbit Hill posted:I wonder what the professional qualifications are to be hired as a minder of free-roaming sexual predators, and how they compare to those of a parole officer. Probably just some AP looking for a break, and the only real requirement for those positions is how much poo poo they can eat.
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I followed Richard Marx because I thought he was Karl Marx's great great grandson who does parkour but then realized he was a singer I hadn't heard of but he's a pretty good twitter follow regardless. Now that I looked up Joseph Marx again I see an article that says he probably made that up.
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Detective No. 27 posted:I followed Richard Marx because I thought he was Karl Marx's great great grandson who does parkour but then realized he was a singer I hadn't heard of but he's a pretty good twitter follow regardless. This post is perfect in every way.
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