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Shameless space MMO post: The Nyx class supercarrier from EVE. The concept of carriers in space can be argued about until the end of days, but the Nyx is a rad implementation of an earth human carrier design to space, I think. It has multiple decks for different weight classes of fighter, a visible command deck, visible wing command decks, and it's flat enough to serve dinner on. 
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Too long, fool.  I keep thinking that I should check out Old Republic before it stops existing, but then I keep not doing it.
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Star Citizen 0.5, aka Freelancer's ship design wasn't exactly "traditionally" cool, but it definitely gave the different factions a strong identity. Liberty ships were art-deco, 'Murica eagles  Rheinland's were industrial and workmanlike  Whereas Kusari's were more delicate and refined  And Bretonia's were fish  Meanwhile the various independent factions pretty much ditched the animal motifs, but whatcha gonna do. 
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Sep 1, 2021 06:26
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Rudeboy Detective posted:Shameless space MMO post: The Nyx class supercarrier from EVE. Speaking of space MMOs, color aside it reminds me a bit of one of my carriers from Star Trek Online, the good ol' flying airport.   
MikeJF fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Sep 1, 2021 |
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Sep 1, 2021 14:10
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It's a pretty popular choice on a lot of art sites. Seems a lot of people have fond memories of it.   As well as modified versions:  I found some early artwork for Rogue One before they settled on the U-Wing and they all have some serious Vietnam era Huey vibes as well as the obvious LAAT from the Clone Wars. Gotta say, I think my favourite type of spaceship is the one where you can see right through it.   
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Sep 2, 2021 15:07
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The Larty is a better looking gunship and its engines sound sexy.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:It's a pretty popular choice on a lot of art sites. Seems a lot of people have fond memories of it. A descendant (or maybe even a sibling - it's supposed to be super old) of the ship appeared in The Clone Wars, too. Apparently the episodes it featured in were a potential backdoor pilot for a spinoff about the youngling characters. 
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Sep 2, 2021 16:45
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Megillah Gorilla posted:It's a pretty popular choice on a lot of art sites. Seems a lot of people have fond memories of it. Aside from Rogue One obviously having a lot of real-world commentary that cements what these things should look like, I am a bit concerned about troop transports that look like they can hold four troops each.
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Sep 2, 2021 20:12
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“Not now, but keep that design around. We’ve got a TV show coming up I could use that on.”
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Megillah Gorilla posted:found some early artwork for Rogue One before they settled on the U-Wing and they all have some serious Vietnam era Huey vibes as well as the obvious LAAT from the Clone Wars. Kinda looks a bit like the LAAT/le that came out 3 years before Rogue One as the police helicopter that was used on Coruscant towards the end of the Clone Wars, and then later as an imperial police vehicle on Rebels.    Basically it's a stripped-down, smaller version of the LAAT gunship, but the big wings replaced with Tie Fighter-y bits to fit better between buildings. And then a cockpit with more vision range kinda pointed downwards for using to search the ground (with a bit of that Tie Fighter window pattern).  It's probably more of a convergent evolution thing, since it's, y'know, just borrowing a bunch from the designs of actual helicopters. I do wonder if the original plot of Rogue One was significantly different though, since while an open-air transport is neat, you definitely need something enclosing the area if you're transporting people through space. Robot Style posted:A descendant (or maybe even a sibling - it's supposed to be super old) of the ship appeared in The Clone Wars, too. Apparently the episodes it featured in were a potential backdoor pilot for a spinoff about the youngling characters. My first instinct was that maybe it was just a case of drawing from the same source by being derived from the Tantive IV, but looking it up, yeah, it was supposed the be an old Old Republic ship. Looks like a bunch of bits might've been added on and others taken off over the years. https://www.starwars.com/databank/crucible https://www.starwars.com/series/clone-wars/a-test-of-strength-trivia-gallery
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Megillah Gorilla posted:
I'm a big fan of these. I also am a sucker for anything with a ventral or dorsal bubble turret.
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twistedmentat posted:I'm a big fan of these. I also am a sucker for anything with a ventral or dorsal bubble turret. Literally the only thing I like about the Starfortress bomber is that that it has about three ball turrets. They can make anything look better. Even something classic like a Y-wing:  But, I'm also going to be controversial and say that the suicide turrets on the LAAT did not look good.  I mean, it already had two ball turrets on the wings, a tail cannon, two beam turrets on the nose, underslung rockets on the wings and giant mass drivers. No other Star Wars ship had even half that amount of random shooty bits attached to it. And the front turrets just weren't integrated with the rest of the design. They were just sticking out there. The space capable version looked much better.  But, if you had to have another ball turret, replace the two beam cannons under the cockpit with one. That keeps the lines of the LAAT intact while still allowing for its crazy firepower. EDIT: Almost forgot the TIE Sentinel:  A TIE fighter with a turret that can't see poo poo and with a tiny range of motion. Megillah Gorilla fucked around with this message at 15:57 on Sep 15, 2021 |
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Sep 15, 2021 15:51
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That’s 4 very targetable death traps.
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If you saw a LAAT coming for you, what's the first thing you'd shoot? The guys in the fishbowls, right.
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I do kinda think that the original LAAT was a bit much, maybe too many things going on at once in its design. The twin extended ball turrets on the front really push it over the edge. It's not really clear how the gunners get in or out, and they're really hanging out there. It just looks real weird and superfluous next to all the other guns. If those were the only guns, it'd make sense to have them all the way out there for maximum fire coverage to bend forward and back, but there's five other articulated guns and the massive cannons up top to deal with. It'd probably be better if the clones in those turrets just had some station in the ship to coordinate the other guns or even put them in the protective armor of the wings. The toy companies didn't really know how to deal with it either.  I don't think I've ever seen any material show them making use of the ball turrets on the wings or the rear gun either, and considering how most of the media leaned further towards the LAAT being for carrying people than for bringing in a bunch of guns, all the extra armament seems a little superfluous. I think maybe the reason to have extra big ball turrets poking out of the sides is just for making them more visible. Which I think is also what happened with the K-Wing.  It never actually appeared in a visual story, just this is what one of the sourcebooks decided was the best way to draw it from its written description, and there doesn't really seem like a reason the lower ball needs to be extended except to make it visible from above. And nobody ever tried revising that until it got put into a miniatures game. Megillah Gorilla posted:Literally the only thing I like about the Starfortress bomber is that that it has about three ball turrets. They can make anything look better. There was actually a ball turret planned for the Y-Wing from the beginning, but it didn't work right with bluescreening techniques, so they changed it.   Megillah Gorilla posted:EDIT: Almost forgot the TIE Sentinel: I'm pretty sure this is just concept art for the TIE Aggressor.  Which takes the ideas of having a turret on the fighter and cutouts on the wings and actually makes it work together so the cutouts give a wider range of fire for the turret. An alternative take on a TIE with a turret is the TIE Heavy, which is weirder.  No apparent horizontal articulation, but full 360 rotation on the Y-Axis. Also a droid guidance system for the gun.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:If you saw a LAAT coming for you, what's the first thing you'd shoot? When I died they washed me out of the turret with a hose.
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The LAAT gunner pods are just playing up the .50 cal gunners on Vietnam Hueys. I like the bulk they add to the gunship but they are death traps.
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Arc Hammer posted:The LAAT gunner pods are just playing up the .50 cal gunners on Vietnam Hueys. I like the bulk they add to the gunship but they are death traps. I tink the LAAT gunner pods were trying to play up the whole mini deathstar thing. Also those were m60s, not .50s.
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SlothfulCobra posted:An alternative take on a TIE with a turret is the TIE Heavy, which is weirder. One of the most prolific artists who makes Star Wars concept art is Ansel Hsaio, aka FractalSponge. I love his designs, even though he suffers from the one thing that a lot of fan creators do - sticking waaaaayyyyyy too many guns on things. He designed the TIE Whirlwing and it took the idea of "rotation in every axis" and dialled it up past 11, to about 15.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCTDlha7lUU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL8RwWPBm8Q I love the insanity of this, but I don't know how any human pilot could even hope to fly this.
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2 person crew or turrets aimed by computer, same as most anti-air artillery 
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Megillah Gorilla posted:One of the most prolific artists who makes Star Wars concept art is Ansel Hsaio, aka FractalSponge. A human wouldn't, but for a spacecraft that's already technologically advanced the human pilot would define the direction and let the onboard computer manage the rotation angles and thrust to go there. Same with targeting, designate a target and let the computer handle the firing solutions. Oh wait this is star wars yeah it'd be like flying a tilt-a-whirl
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Put the cockpit in a ball turret so the ship can thrust in any direction ultra-hard and it'll make sure the Gs are back into the acceleration seat. I think they do that in The Expanse but TIEs are screaming for it with their spherical cockpit.
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Before we get too far away from the LAAT, I'd like to present the Variable Altitude Assault Transport/enforcement, or VAAT/e.   This thing was what the Bounty Hunter videogame presented as a precursor to the LAAT used by Coruscant police. I guess the big ol' wings of the LAAT are meant for low altitudes, so the VAAT can reduce them to oars and add in more traditional engines. Maybe the extra space between the cockpit and the passenger area has more stations for internal gunners or radiomen or whatever the police may need so the VAAT can serve a broader range of functions rather than be just a dedicated bus with a shitload of guns strapped to it. I also like the design elements like the cord running along the top like a ship has, or the little divots for the oars to retract into when it needs to be narrow. Weirdly, with that color scheme, it looks a lot like Tau ship. Also, one last thing in the feature salad of the LAAT that doesn't come up much is the fact that the slanted bit in the rear actually has a rack of speeder bikes that can deploy out the rear door. Maybe they don't always have those equipped, but seeing as how there's no using that space for anything else, they might just always have them. 
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SlothfulCobra posted:Also, one last thing in the feature salad of the LAAT that doesn't come up much is the fact that the slanted bit in the rear actually has a rack of speeder bikes that can deploy out the rear door. Maybe they don't always have those equipped, but seeing as how there's no using that space for anything else, they might just always have them. This is something that actually originates from Attack of the Clones, and a sequence of the gunships deploying speeders was cut from the movie, which is probably why it doesn't show up very much elsewhere. I think the only remnants of the sequence are a brief animatic clip from a behind the scenes documentary, and a card from one of the TCG's, which was released before the movie was finished and had to use previs for a bunch of cards: 
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Literally the only thing I like about the Starfortress bomber is that that it has about three ball turrets. They can make anything look better. The LAAT might as well be from Warhammer, 40k with all its guns. It actually reminds me a bit of the stormraven.  Though thinking about it, AOTC came out way before that model was released so its clearly the other way, though my point still stands, SW stuff rarely has that many guns.
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Rudeboy Detective posted:Shameless space MMO post: The Nyx class supercarrier from EVE. I agree, I love the Nyx design. I also love the Avatar 
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SlothfulCobra posted:Before we get too far away from the LAAT, I'd like to present the Variable Altitude Assault Transport/enforcement, or VAAT/e. There’s something really Ghibli-esque about that. Like it’s from Nausicaa or something.
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The_Doctor posted:There’s something really Ghibli-esque about that. Like it’s from Nausicaa or something. Nausicaa of the Valley of the Windus
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The_Doctor posted:There’s something really Ghibli-esque about that. Like it’s from Nausicaa or something. Yea, the earth tone paint job and its rounded, organic shape really screams Nausicaa.
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It definitely has that pre-empire style. But that front section seems too long to me, but maybe I'm just biased because of the LAAT's stubbiness.
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The Arquitens light cruiser.  When the show Rebels came out, it was way smaller scale than Clone Wars, and they found themselves in need of a smaller-scale threat since they couldn't just throw Star Destroyers around. That's been done a lot across the EU, with the Raider, Escort Carrier, Dreadnaught, Carrack, and Lancer, but it so happened that the Clone Wars already had a ship bumping around that was just a real little version of a Star Destroyer with the engines of a Consular cruiser. It also has those prongs evoking the Millennium Falcon. Rebels also had the Gozanti, but that was more of a lightly-armed transport. The Arquitens has firepower to be a real threat. It can do what a real Star Destroyer does, just less.   Its bridge tries to give the feel of a Star Destroyer, but it's built around two pilot seats like a smaller ship's cockpit. Arquitens captains really like to think they're tough poo poo, but they're only ever a big fish in a small pond. But what I really like about the Arquitens is its ridiculous docking system. It's not big enough for a real hangar, but it can hold up to three Ties in its forward prongs and just plop them off when it comes into battle. Tie Interceptors have to be stored sideways and spin into battle. It's a real interesting approach to docking, which is really complicated for smaller ships. I like thinking about how uncomfortable the Tie pilots probably are climbing in. Maybe there's not even an airlock connection and they have to sit in their fighters all throughout the transit, or else maybe they have to board from outside the ship.  They can even dock a Lambda shuttle, and it's a weird, awkward fit sticking its fins between the prongs.  Of course, then The Mandalorian came along, and needed a rinky dink ship for its two-bit Imperial remnant, and it used the Arquitens, but something was different. https://i.imgur.com/umkMgoo.mp4 Yeah, they managed to somehow tweak the scale and carve out enough space for a more proper hangar. I'm not sure the scale even works out in the episode, since it seems like a tight fit for the Tie, but then a whole Lambda plops through the door. It's an easier scene to plan out, but it misses out on some awkward docking. Some fans tried to work out the size discrepancy if you're into that sort of thing. https://twitter.com/mel_miniatures/status/1351969374425505798
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Help me thread, I can't stop watching this fan render https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WC9Q_lZ1TsI
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Cross-Section posted:Help me thread, I can't stop watching this fan render I wish I could, but I have wasted way too much time watching EC Henry's crazypants deep dives into speculating about each and every ship that has ever appeared on screen for one single blurry frame.
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The up-armored Nebulon B is a thing of beauty.
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Apparently that Star Destroyer's turbolaser fire is being directed by Gunner's mate First Class Philip rear end in a top hat.
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jeeves posted:Apparently that Star Destroyer's turbolaser fire is being directed by Gunner's mate First Class Philip rear end in a top hat. Impossible, he was clearly firing across her bow, not up it.
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This is a cool thread, that someone linked in the cool threads thread. I just read the whole thing. Nobody ever posted a picture of the Jupiter Mining Corporation ship Red Dwarf:  Always liked these goofy, clunky-looking garbage-ships, made by a cash-strapped space corporation that was constantly cutting corners. Also the Red Dwarf is SF-legit: it's got a Bussard ramscoop on the front that feeds interstellar hydrogen into a fusion drive so it can accelerate forever. Also love the embedded asteroid. Starbug has been discussed, but how about Ace Rimmer's starship, the Wildfire?  On a wildly different aesthetic, I'd like to give props to the grandmaster of comic book art, Jack Kirby, and his space ship art!          wild poo poo. Half his ships are barely identifiable as ships, they're so contorted and colorful and weird. There's also his older stuff, like   You can see how much his art matured over the years, but even in the 50s he couldn't help but draw some weird-lookin' space ships! This is a world-ship, home of Galactus or something  He could also just draw normal looking ships, if he wanted to. This is for a comic book adaptation of 2001: A Space Odyssey, done in 1976   I've barely scratched the surface. Jack Kirby, folks. e. This youtube claims to have almost all Kirby ships in it, maybe it does! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ARJqnZX0Zw Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 04:19 on Oct 13, 2021 |
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I love R Type so for me it's
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I always liked this ship. Couldn't find a still from the movie itself though.
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I just posted in another thread about why Star Wars cargo ships don't carry a lot of external cargo containers, but here's a different kind of thing. One big exception to how Star Wars depicts cargo are these funky things from X-Wing Alliance, where they set up these vehicles moving around cargo in long chains.  They have the module up front for piloting, and a module behind with the engine pushing things along. There's also an alternate model that pulls things instead. Both of them have little bridges for observing the cargo, but I'm pretty sure that ingame the windows were not to scale with the fighters.   It's an idea back when Star Wars was still willing to slip in some "hard sci-fi" along with all the "soft" stuff. Plausibly these things might not even be meant for hyperspace hauling on their own, since you only ever see them floating around depots and checkpoints. Who knows.
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