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9/4/21: THREAD BACK OPEN, READ MY LAST POST Hey, D&D is a popular place and needs some more mods to cover poo poo. When I last ran the feedback thread, I said this was something we could try in here, and the time has come to add more mods, so here we go: Describe what you think the largest issue facing D&D is, then nominate a moderator who you think could work towards addressing that issue. If you are a shitbag in this thread, I'm going to give you a long probation. If you are unsure what that means, then probably don't risk it. I'm going to just mod this thread with my feelings, not writing a bunch of rules to follow so it probably wont be some bastion of fairness.  There are no current thread or forumban restrictions in this thread. If you are one of those things in D&D, you may post in here to give your opinion. As always, PM me if you want to keep your opinion private. If you hate me and don't trust me, you can PM Jeff if you want instead. I also have an SA email I think it's like athanatos@somethingawful.com This thread will run till like...Tuesday Night? That gives us 2.5 workdays and a weekend. I also might close it from time to time to save my sanity.
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I think the moderation in D&D has been pretty alright recently. In the recent past the worst issue with moderators was when one would pick fights with posters, keep them going for pages, and then end them by using their buttons. That was mainly Majorian, and since they've been gone it hasn't been something I've seen much of at all. I think the main qualities that make for a good mod for this subforum are thoughtfulness, a willingness to foster discussion in a polite manner, and also the savviness to discern when certain posters are only looking to stir up poo poo and drama. I think posters like Raneir Salazar would make for a good moderator. They've impressed me with their level-headedness and willingness to put effort into posting. e: Leon Trotsky 2012 is another clear choice. Real effort-poster, real level head. How are u fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Sep 3, 2021 |
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I think the biggest problem in DND is that troll posts like the above are allowed because DND generally seems to allow literally the stupidest and worst things imaginable as long as they follow posting decorum and write at least a paragraph of garbage along with it. They recommended the stupidest person on this entire website as a troll to make DND an even worse board. It's completely impossible to have an actual discussion on a board where the mods refuse to give a poo poo about obvious troll garbage and demand that you respond to everything as if it's a real point worth addressing. There's no single poster you can make into a mod to fix this, you just have to throw out the entire current mod staff of DND and start again. Mafic Rhyolite fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Sep 3, 2021 |
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Paracaidas because their posts are very informative and they take the time to back up their info. Also if modding gives them PM's because I never got around to buying them plat for their effort posts.
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I would like to nominate Leon Trotsky 2012 and Paracaidas. Leon Trotsky 2012 is one of the most active posters, can roll with the punches, and is generally one of the more knowledgeable posters as to the current happenings in congress. Paracaidas ranks among the best effort posters, even when I might disagree quite heavily with his analysis, and generally avoids the minor flame wars that constantly pop up.
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The last 50 pages of the Covid thread are a one stop shop for all the issues with D&D right now. It's unreadable and the same people are stirring poo poo day in and day out. This place used to ban for not capitalizing letters and now it's ok to call somebody a racist xenophobe for expressing distrust in something the CCP said and start a 10 page derail. Some of these people are banned from other D&D threads and honestly if you've done enough to get banned from a thread you should be banned from the sub-forum or at least given an incredibly short leash in other threads instead of a blank slate.
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Largest issue facing D&D is the shouting down of anyone who isn't considered leftist enough - while it isn't at C-SPAM "Biden is a fascist and AOC is CIA" level yet it seems to be creeping there. I'm not saying this should be a safe space for neoliberals or that people's viewpoints can't be questioned, but dogpiling seems to take precedence over actual discussion. Mod suggestion: idk, FlamingLiberal? Leon Trotsky 2012? I'm not super familiar with who is best D&D poster, I hardly read usernames
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the_steve absolutely needs to be removed from modding US news, they are trigger happy with probing anyone that disagrees with them and have been called out several times for garbage probes of good effort posting.
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Athanatos posted:Describe what you think the largest issue facing D&D is, then nominate a moderator who you think could work towards addressing that issue. Athanatos posted:I'm going to just mod with my feelings, not writing a bunch of rules to follow so it probably wont be some bastion of fairness. I would suggest that this may be the problem. I nominate sexpig by night and Yeowtch! My Balls
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The most consistently level-headed and intelligent poster in the politics forums is probably ronya. I'm not sure ronya would want to be a mod, though.
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my suggestion is finding a mod from one of the subforums that gets a dozen posts a day and hates politics to mod d&d
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How are u posted:I think the moderation in D&D has been pretty alright recently. In the recent past the worst issue with moderators was when one would pick fights with posters, keep them going for pages, and then end them by using their buttons. That was mainly Majorian, and since they've been gone it hasn't been something I've seen much of at all. seconded!
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Ok, biggest issue I see in D&D is the fact that you constantly have people who instead of disagreeing with you instead restate what you've posted and rage post against that. It's always a pattern of "thing that wasn't actually said" and "aggro posting". If something is left unsaid or unspecified, the worst thing possible is assumed. Sometimes others clamber on and it becomes anything from yet another annoying derail to fake case to get someone banned. This also takes the form of searching out years and years of someone's posting history pulling something out of context and outright lying about what was said to a mod. I've seen folks wrongfully banned for this as well, with no effort to actually talk to the other party.* You also get folks who post edited screenshots of their PMs. This is why you whenever you see threads in QCS about D&D, most folks in D&D will stay away from them. I wish I could think of a mod to help here, but really problems like this need admin support. Things have improved over time, but the mods here need the support to hand out a month probe or to ban someone who is clearly here to do nothing but rage against everyone else. So many great posters with really important skillsets and experiences have left this forum permanently because of this sort of treatment. Heck, the last time you were here you saw it happen to someone who claimed they had experience in economics. Also note how whenever you or other admins/mods look for more volunteers, you mostly get a no in response. It's mostly because of these sorts of issues and a very real fear of being doxxed. Why should anyone stick their neck out and actually moderate if there's a group of folks ready and able to make them miserable for it? And the_steve regularly posts elsewhere about how terrible everyone in D&D is. I don't care about what they agree/disagree with, but I don't think you can mod a place where they really dislike the posters. Maybe move them to another forum instead. *And yes, I have to specify that I'm clearly not talking about self evident posts like porn and so on. Solkanar512 fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Sep 3, 2021 |
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Sep 3, 2021 19:44
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Biggest issue in D&D is incredibly tedious arguing about specific word choices being framed as an issue of "accuracy". See: kalit in the electoralism thread with "you can't actually read Nancy Pelosi's most secret inner feelingd" as though we don't already know that there are no telepathic posters or the the current "actually they aren't designed to break" in us news. That and not addressing wordy trolls like HRU. Remod majorian. The best we can do for ideological issues is to ensure bad posts get smacked down on all ends of the spectrum and right now it's heavily in favor of neoliberal centrism.
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Unoriginal Name posted:I would suggest that this may be the problem. I don't mod D&D so is this ALSO a problem with D&D, or just this thread?
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The thing I miss the most from the sports forums are the incredibly thin skinned, trivially easily riled up posters that would hold lifetime grudges over tiny differences of opinion over sportsball. We've pretty much stamped that out over in that neck of the woods and it's pretty uncommon to see a probation. Needless to say, I've always liked rubbernecking D&D, because man oh man are y'all on tilt 24/7 (and unlike cspam you use punctuation). I think the biggest problem is you keep forcing a bunch of unpaid moderators to sift through pages of angry screeching over a bunch of people intentionally mis-reading each other's posts because they've hated each other ever since one of them called the other one or one of their friends dumb in 500 words 8 years ago. It's honestly amusing as all hell to me and presumably many others going by the number of users browsing here, but, as a solutions orientated person, I do have a suggestion that I think would help deflate some egos. So often mods come in, go hey stop talking about this, tosses a few 6'ers and well just sets pots to simmering again ready to boil over. No one should have to read 20 pages of USpol (or realistically the previous 200 times those two sniped at each other). You need a release valve, sports have outcomes and quite frankly, you need to make posters step up. Like yes yes, everyone here's left of a liberal, but history is quite frankly full of group infighting, and y'all are just lucky enough that unlike the rest of history half of you aren't informing on the other half. Have threads for posting predictions over hot button issues. The Iraq war predictions thread is quite frankly, one of the funniest threads in the history of this forum, from the ever-quoted examples, to the leftists who were predicting a million dead americans at the gates of Iraq. When posters go aggro , squash the topic and have them post their prediction over <issue>. Try to set reasonable parameters because otherwise you'll get into an insanely boring rules lawyering competition, but quite frankly, have posters lay out, precisely in plain detail, what they think will happen and if they're comically wrong or right, they can feel free to hold that over others heads going forward. And yes, it'll be slop for the opposition, but duh, it is anyway, might as well have an easily found post that lays out exactly what you think will happen instead of getting mad that only a few lines of your 17 post slapfight were quoted from page 700 of some thread.
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<<< lol bet this one won't get revertedPentecoastal Elites posted:seconded! being 100% earnest here the largest issue facing d&d is that the moderators here have self-contradictory ideas of what they want d&d "to be" and for all his faults I think Leon Trotsky 2012 has no such issues while being otherwise in perfect alignment with current d&d moderators. since you're clearly not going to change course you should at least be made to commit to that course whether they were consciously aware of it at the time is immaterial: this is the future d&d mods want, and have always wanted, deep down. you should be made to face to it. make Leon Trotsky 2012 a d&d moderator also agree with the calls to demod the_steve while you're at it. he's too good for you and his modship here has been interfering with his posting duties in CSPAM
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Kalli posted:Have threads for posting predictions over hot button issues. This would be great, but sadly it is a D&D forums crime to reference any posts that occurred further than 5 minutes in the past.
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Sep 3, 2021 20:17
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Please just let this subforum be what it is and make it strictly pro Democratic Party/Liberalism. There's a large number of posters here who like the Democrats and they should have a place to post about it. That's fine. Just drop the pretense of it being a debate forum. Democrats & Discussion
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Really, someone at some point needs to decide what D&D actually is. Is it the tryhard big brain argument subforum, or is it a forum for centrist democrats (or less-radical leftists, if that's how you see things)? If D&D is supposed to be the argument subforum (which I think it should be) a posting standard should be enforced regardless of what side of the argument the poster, or the moderator, is on. You shouldn't be able to see drive by shitposts from anyone, not just posters who also post in C-SPAM. The other issue -- if this is supposed to be the subforum for actual debate and discussion -- is that there is a core group of USPol and USPol-related posters that just want to post current event tweets and make "get a load of this guy" posts about conservatives, and don't like or aren't interested in having their position challenged. Whenever anyone does they feel like their spaces are being disrupted from trolls, and this generates reports and those reports result in mod actions that make everyone mad and flow into lovely QCS threads. I can't begrudge anyone for wanting a space to hang out with their posting pals, but they shouldn't be able to dominate the US political space in the subforum because of it. I'd suggest thread(s) or even a new subforum with explicit no fighting/good vibes only rules. If someone from CSPAM comes in to stir poo poo and they're hit with a sixer or threadban, it's their own fault. Likewise outside the thread no one should be able to complain if their opinion is called out as lovely and dumb, even if those same opinions are regarded as acceptable in mainstream discourse or whatever. If not, I'm not kidding about seconding How are u's post and Raneir Salazar and Leon Trotsky 2012 and whoever else has made it perfectly clear what their ideological positions are and the degree to which they detest C-SPAM and its posters. I know that dropping the pretense of respecting left posters and arguments would be uncomfortable, but in the long run drawing a clear line would essentially eliminate all of the problems that arise from between the two forums that make their way into QCS because the moderation staff has been historically unable to deal with it effectively. Someone needs to actually make a decision, though.
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Athanatos posted:I don't mod D&D so is this ALSO a problem with D&D, or just this thread? The person you're quoting here just recommended two of the biggest aggro-posters to be kicked out of D&D for a long time.
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Athanatos posted:I don't mod D&D so is this ALSO a problem with D&D, or just this thread? I'll write up a longer response on the general thread topic later, but D&D has a severe underlying problem of inconsistent and reactive moderation. Rules are posted and briefly enforced, then forgotten. Longer probations and bans seem to not happen, which strongly suggests a lack of admin willingness to follow through on reports from D&D. In this environment, users that target or circumvent moderation are rewarded and incentivized to continue their behavior. Mods and IKs internalize the belief that moderation is futile...which is, of course, beneficial to users looking to abuse others on the forums, who make the forum worse, which makes the report queue longer, which makes moderation harder...a self-perpetuating cycle. On the other hand, because admin and moderation attention is inconsistent, abusive users can ingratiate themselves to admins and mods by behaving differently when they're paying attention or seeking input. This gives them more leverage over how moderation happens, and means that users with a pattern of abuse get seemingly infinite second chances if they're good at playing nice by PM. It's going to be really important to go over the rapsheets of everyone in this thread before you trust people about mod nominations, or their descriptions of what's gone wrong. I'm being literal here. Read people's rapsheets and ask yourself if what they're saying now, the face they're trying to present, matches what they've gotten probated or banned for in the past. Users with a bunch of probations for trolling D&D, or various racisms, or straight up thread or forumbans, should not just be taken at face value. Otherwise, you're giving the users with the biggest propensity for abuse the largest amount of leverage.
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^^^ wow shocking that you'd endorse an approach to this thread that basically reinforces all the lovely moderation and bullshit probations that have occurred in this forum over the last few years  Pentecoastal Elites posted:Really, someone at some point needs to decide what D&D actually is. Is it the tryhard big brain argument subforum, or is it a forum for centrist democrats (or less-radical leftists, if that's how you see things)? It's been this way for like what two years now? Basically ever since, in the runup to the Dem primary, the mods here declared extra-harsh moderation for the duration, and then doubled-down on that for the general election as well, because as you know a lot people come to D&D for information and advice about politics or whatever the loving excuse was lol. And then they just... never let up. Who could have predicted that? MSDOS KAPITAL fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Sep 3, 2021 |
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Sep 3, 2021 20:34
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Pass on modding. I wouldn't probe anyone and don't care about forum drama, which would just create more forum drama. I also have a real job and won't be able to gently caress around on Zoom meetings as often in the near future. Whoever does get it just needs to have a firmer hand on establishing and abiding by rules + content posting and a way lighter hand on being angry with people who disagree with you personally.
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Discendo Vox posted:It's going to be really important to go over the rapsheets of everyone in this thread before you trust people about mod nominations, or their descriptions of what's gone wrong. I'm being literal here. Read people's rapsheets and ask yourself if what they're saying now, the face they're trying to present, matches what they've gotten probated or banned for in the past. Users with a bunch of probations for trolling D&D, or various racisms, or straight up thread or forumbans, should not just be taken at face value. Otherwise, you're giving the users with the biggest propensity for abuse the largest amount of leverage. Solkanar512 posted:The person you're quoting here just recommended two of the biggest aggro-posters to be kicked out of D&D for a long time. I understand that not everyone in this thread is being honest with the reasons they want the names they put forth modded. But, someone can be an unbelievable rear end in a top hat and have a good point sometimes.
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Discendo Vox posted:On the other hand, because admin and moderation attention is inconsistent, abusive users can ingratiate themselves to admins and mods by behaving differently when they're paying attention or seeking input. This gives them more leverage over how moderation happens, and means that users with a pattern of abuse get seemingly infinite second chances if they're good at playing nice by PM. I agree with this bit, certainly Solkanar512 posted:The person you're quoting here just recommended two of the biggest aggro-posters to be kicked out of D&D for a long time. How are u posted:I think the moderation in D&D has been pretty alright recently. In the recent past the worst issue with moderators was when one would pick fights with posters, keep them going for pages, and then end them by using their buttons. That was mainly Majorian, and since they've been gone it hasn't been something I've seen much of at all. and you should especially look into the rap sheet of posters like these guys who have gotten in documented trouble for doing weird rape culture apologetics among other things, but the trouble is always mysteriously minor
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Everything you need to know about the current state of D+D is that posters are earnestly requesting a permabanned holocaust denier be modded because they really appreciate his tone. It's a weird echo of this time ten years ago; due to the existence of a further-left, more loosely-moderated, better-trafficked forum full of abrasive pricks, D+D is undergoing a demographic self-selection towards a posting and moderation style centered around avoiding debate and/or discussion wherever possible, in favor of making sure all conversation occurs in a suitably detached tone. This isn't to say there's no place for animated conversation in D+D- fuckable beer bottles, whether south park turned America racist, and other such urgent topics are perfectly fine to get rowdy about- but when the subject becomes something that involves serious disagreements, the subject is immediately cracked down on. For an interesting example of this, check out the Afghanistan discussion from the last few weeks: the discussion grew animated in USNews, at which point a moderator banished all discussion of it to its own thread. Theoretically. In practice, however, continuing to discuss the withdrawal from Afghanistan was perfectly allowed: the only thing that got people banished to the Afghanistan thread was showing insufficient respect for Are Troops while discussing it. Like in the later days of LF, D+D is not the politics forum. It is a forum for cosplaying as a Very Serious Person. And part of cosplaying as a Very Serious Person is establishing that if people actually care about a subject, that subject needs to be carefully cordoned off, in order to preserve the atmosphere. The core problem here is that D+D does not know what it wants to be, and so in the absence of any actual vision it's gravitating towards just being The Forum That's Not C-SPAM. We have already seen one of the most unpleasant side effects around this time last year, where (because in CSPAM the opposite was generally believed) it became moderator policy that in D+D alone, one was permitted to smear rape victims as just being lying whores in it for the money. The fact that the posters who were most vocal about how stopping this state of affairs was just giving in to the forums terrorists are currently going on at length about how the current situation suits them just fine indicates this issue is not improving, imo.
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the largest issue with D&D is that it has a Something Awful Forums stylesheet a Facebook Group-inspired stylesheet would be more appropriate for the quality of posting going on here these days there are a lot of people who simply do not give a gently caress whether their posting aligns with observable reality anymore, and the forum's population is so overwhelmingly on board with it that I don't think it's possible to moderate it away. even Guyovich-style purges wouldn't be enough giving up on D&D's current vision and Zucking it up would be more reasonable than trying to cling to ancient obsolete SA trends like "expecting people to have any loving idea what they're talking about" SA doesn't have politics discussion anymore. It just has politics venting, and then public brawls between people who got into an argument about the venting and decided to nurse a grudge about it for the rest of their lives. and every other interesting discussion topic has fled long ago toward forums with friendlier communities
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Doctor Butts posted:Paracaidas because their posts are very informative and they take the time to back up their info. i also appreciate the effort paracaidas puts into their posts and as far as i know they're not a central player in whatever bizarre factional slap fight is playing out in this very thread on the other hand i have no idea what actually makes someone a good mod so who knows
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My biggest annoyance about moderating in this forum is that no discussion is allowed in US news. It's just posting news, and any time anyone wants to discuss or argue about it gets spun off into its own thread, that usually will have less activity (especially with people navigating forums by bookmarks(. Just bring back USPol, let people argue about politics in it, and issue probes if people are getting too aggro. My rapsheet is also pristine so therefore this opinion should carry the highest weight. Thank you.
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yes let's listen to the opinions of the former moderator who is probably most responsible for things being poo poo, about how to make things not-poo poo
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Alternatively, if there just has to be a thread where people are only allowed to post news, let there also be a USPol thread so people can discuss and argue about all of that news. Just no more 60 zillion spinoff threads please.
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lobster shirt posted:My biggest annoyance about moderating in this forum is that no discussion is allowed in US news. It's just posting news, and any time anyone wants to discuss or argue about it gets spun off into its own thread, that usually will have less activity (especially with people navigating forums by bookmarks(. Just bring back USPol, let people argue about politics in it, and issue probes if people are getting too aggro. Yeah the incessant siloing off of actual conversations and discussions is a big problem. Because you're immediately quarantining these conversations the people who actually bother to go participate in the free speech zones develop grudges against each other, and the rest of the community here is increasingly babied and coddled that they're accustomed to whining to a moderator demanding a spinoff when they see opinions that they disagree with.
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Athanatos posted:I understand that not everyone in this thread is being honest with the reasons they want the names they put forth modded. I am not suggesting that these users are assholes; an established pattern of trolling or bad faith is not the same as just "being an rear end in a top hat". I am saying that they are trying to manipulate the discussion of moderation so that moderation is made more difficult and/or amenable to their forms of abuse, and in pursuing this, they're going to be deeply disingenuous. If they seem like they have a good idea, it means you need to apply a lot of scrutiny to why it seems like a good idea, and what other motives they may have. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Sep 3, 2021 |
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Discendo Vox posted:I am not suggesting that these users are assholes; an established pattern of trolling or bad faith is not the same as just "being an rear end in a top hat". I am saying that they are trying to manipulate the discussion of moderation so that moderation is made more difficult and/or amenable to their forms of abuse, and in pursuing this, they're going to be deeply disingenuous. If they seem like they have a good idea, it means you need to apply a lot of scrutiny to why it seems like a good idea. As opposed to all this whispering of perfidious forum saboteurs, perhaps you could nominate who you think should mod D&D. All I know is I personally mean it that D&D should have mods from outside the forum, have discussed that idea with D&D mods in personal messages in the past as opposed to only putting on a public display, and think Leperflesh, a very effortful and well-meaning poster who would probably probate me for getting snippy just as much as anyone else in the forum, would be a good selection if he were at all amenable.
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Main Paineframe posted:the largest issue with D&D is that it has a Something Awful Forums stylesheet agreed 100% and to piggyback on this: DnD needs admins who regularly read and/or participate in the politics forums far more than it needs new mods (which it also needs)
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I'm wondering to what extent the forums-feedback horse should be put before the new-mods cart, because without knowing which direction the forum's users want to go it's p. hard to determine who would be good at modding it. Keep the status quo except get rid of posters who disagree with the Dems being great? Then by all means, get rid of the one mod who's a smidgen to the left of the current Dem party. Revamp the forum so that debate & discussion is not only allowed but encouraged? Then cast a wider net for mods whose views aren't an echo of whatever babble msnbc is throwing out on a given day. My one request is that the rules be (clarified and) administered even-handedly, so that 10 posts consisting of "what a doofus!" or GOD CAN'T SOMEONE GET THIS CSPAM BITCH TO STFU sail by by while a misunderstood yet funny joke is punished with a week's probation for not including enough "effort."  Another thing to clarify is whether "report posts with which you personally disagree," as one mod admitted in a moment of honesty, is to be the metric along with tummy aches as reasons to sanction posters. Willa Rogers fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Sep 3, 2021 |
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I think D&D is at its best when it's informative or sparking an interesting discussion. I've changed my mind several times after reading what is written in this forum, and I think that is awesome. My biggest complaint about D&D at the moment is the level of stressposting and doomposting, which I understand -- we live in a stressful time and the future is bleak, and venting is necessary. But there are a lot of posts whose only purpose seems to be to raise the temperature of the room instead of adding any new information or discussion. The net effect is that some threads don't really seem to discuss problems nor solutions -- they just seem like stress amplification chambers. Unfortunately I don't have a concrete idea of what to do to fix this, since I really do think venting is a psychological necessity, so I don't necessarily think we should ban it. But I wish we could keep the quantity under control a little better.
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SKULL.GIF posted:Yeah the incessant siloing off of actual conversations and discussions is a big problem. Because you're immediately quarantining these conversations the people who actually bother to go participate in the free speech zones develop grudges against each other, and the rest of the community here is increasingly babied and coddled that they're accustomed to whining to a moderator demanding a spinoff when they see opinions that they disagree with. The problem is (in USNews especially) so many side topics replace the main topic of discussion at the moment quickly, and while I'm sure some of the spin off were because people disagreed, its more because we have a single threaded forum method, there's no way to manage side discussion without spinning them off into their own discussions. That's not free speech zones, that's highlight particularly deep discussions that can easily outdo the original thread they spawned from. The voting thread being a good example, that could easily outpace USNews It sucks, but its better than constantly probing people for dragging things off topic, because there's a lot of good discussion to be had about these side topics. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Sep 3, 2021 |
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