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SHISHKABOB posted:It's not white savior at all. The Fremen are just there to be used, the story isn't about saving them. The story is about the intergalactic feudal system and the conflicts therein. Yeah, his "savior" status is explicitly fake right from the jump.
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Aren't the Fremen and Kynes the ones to save Paul and Jessica? Is Whites Being Saved a genre?
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The United States posted:Villeneuve pronunciation count incrementing SHISHKABOB posted:It's not white savior at all. The Fremen are just there to be used, the story isn't about saving them. The story is about the intergalactic feudal system and the conflicts therein. Doesn't matter. Clicks must be baited, agendas must be scored. If Villeneuve makes a point of Fremen being pawns as much as much as Paul being swept away by history, that would be an excellent stroke.
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Sep 8, 2021 17:59
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Gonz posted:Still supremely disappointed that we were never given this. It's probably better it wasn't. This looks like everyone making it was high on cocaine and the only way to enjoy it is to be high on cocaine. Star Wars ended up using a lot of concepts and artists after Jodorowsky's version was scrapped and the world is better for it. Wondering what would've been is probably more fun that what they would've actually made. Automatic Slim fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Sep 8, 2021 |
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YoursTruly posted:Aren't the Fremen and Kynes the ones to save Paul and Jessica? Is Whites Being Saved a genre? I don't know if dune can be properly summarized as a white saviour story but are some of y'all really gonna pretend like the concept is impossible to understand? "John carter's life/freedom is occasionally saved by other characters, therefore . ." Like c'mon, have some self respect
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Sep 8, 2021 18:08
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Automatic Slim posted:It's probably better it wasn't. This looks like everyone making it was high on cocaine and the only way to enjoy it is to be high on cocaine. It wasn't even going to be a Dune movie it was going to be based on a dream he had. The designs were rad as hell though.
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Sep 8, 2021 18:24
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Blood Boils posted:I don't know if dune can be properly summarized as a white saviour story Oh. Well, it can't.
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Sep 8, 2021 18:51
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Gonz posted:Still supremely disappointed that we were never given this. Oh man is this poster real, or fan-made based on what's come out about the project?
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Sep 8, 2021 19:02
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Watch out for flyin dicks https://twitter.com/CyberpunkSF/status/1260642855363776513
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That's sick.C-Euro posted:Oh man is this poster real, or fan-made based on what's come out about the project? The film never got close to a stage where it would need a poster. All the art on it is cobbled together from widely available pieces.
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C-Euro posted:Oh man is this poster real, or fan-made based on what's come out about the project? Almost certainly the latter.
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Ingmar terdman posted:Watch out for flyin dicks Going all in on the Dali.
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Yeah I was about to say, putting the flaming giraffe on the poster is a little too tongue-in-cheek.
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Gonz posted:Still supremely disappointed that we were never given this. Absolutely sick as gently caress poster. I love that there's a Bene Geserrit hidden in the contours of Paul's arm.
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Gonz posted:Still supremely disappointed that we were never given this.
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Automatic Slim posted:It's probably better it wasn't. This looks like everyone making it was high on cocaine and the only way to enjoy it is to be high on cocaine.
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Sep 8, 2021 20:07
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You can definitely read Dune as story of a guy being aware he's being cynically set up to be a white saviour and then deciding to earnestly go along with it.
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Blood Boils posted:I don't know if dune can be properly summarized as a white saviour story but are some of y'all really gonna pretend like the concept is impossible to understand? It's a deliberate misread but yeah sure, if you go that way you can make any story be about anything.
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Sep 8, 2021 21:02
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Alchenar posted:You can definitely read Dune as story of a guy being aware he's being cynically set up to be a white saviour and then deciding to earnestly go along with it. My recollection is that Pauls overwhelming motive is avenging his father. Automatic Slim posted:Going all in on the Dali. Like how there's just a disembodied dick floating in there. Like not even a phallic symbol, just a dong.
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sean10mm posted:Like how there's just a disembodied dick floating in there. Like not even a phallic symbol, just a dong. Becos dat iss, to me, da human being. One time which iss flaccid and timid, one time iss engorged and raging. -Jodo
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bawfuls posted:someday someone will make it in animation Jodo's already made it into a comic.
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Sep 9, 2021 00:58
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I dunno, the effects are looking kind of cheap in the latest trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLWRqcVx0Cw
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Read over 150 pages last night after five years away. Forgot how palatable Frank Herbert's writing style was here. An absolute masterpiece of a novel.
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Alchenar posted:You can definitely read Dune as story of a guy being aware he's being cynically set up to be a white saviour and then deciding to earnestly go along with it. It's not just about the "hero's journey" being a scam, but that Paul, knowing that, still falls into the trap of wielding the power. Whereas Star Wars uses its influences from Dune to ultimately have Luke make the opposite choice and just say "gently caress this!"
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RestingB1tchFace posted:Read over 150 pages last night after five years away. Forgot how palatable Frank Herbert's writing style was here. An absolute masterpiece of a novel. Yeah, that's something that surprised me as well during my recent re-read. Lots of older fiction writing has a tendency to feel a bit stuffy and awkward to modern readers, but Herbert's prose is incredibly smooth and readable even today. Another thing that struck me was just how understated a lot of it was. Very significant events and revelations are just kinda noted in one single sentence and then just not elaborated upon ever.
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The United States posted:I dunno, the effects are looking kind of cheap in the latest trailer Blew the budget on hiring every actor available & had to film 90% of the movie on an iPhone in an empty warehouse.
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Thinking about Holtzman shields and their influence on sci-fi anime Mainly it’s an excuse for melee combat in an age of laser guns Holtzman comes up with several world-changing technologies In Gundam they have Minovsky, who developed fusion reactors and also discovered a new subatomic particle released by fusion, the Minovsky particle Minovsky particles interfere with radar, which gives giant robots an excuse for close quarters gunfights and lightsaber fights Minovsky particles also made lightsabers possible In Legend of Galactic Heroes, there’s something called Zephyr particles that combatants on both sides release into the air, which will explode if lasers are fired, so armored soldiers are forced to fight with axes
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Perestroika posted:Yeah, that's something that surprised me as well during my recent re-read. Lots of older fiction writing has a tendency to feel a bit stuffy and awkward to modern readers, but Herbert's prose is incredibly smooth and readable even today. Absolutely. Helps to know the terminology before hand as well. My sister and her boyfriend have both read it in the past few months. My advice to them was to not get overwhelmed with the phrases and names.
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Alchenar posted:You can definitely read Dune as story of a guy being aware he's being cynically set up to be a white saviour and then deciding to earnestly go along with it. I mean, he realizes that the Fremen Jihad will happen no matter what he does, so why not go all in?
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RestingB1tchFace posted:Absolutely. Helps to know the terminology before hand as well. My sister and her boyfriend have both read it in the past few months. My advice to them was to not get overwhelmed with the phrases and names. I keep hearing people say this. My old copy has a glossary at the end- is that specific to mine or is that attached to every copy, just like the Appendices?
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TheMadMilkman posted:I mean, he realizes that the Fremen Jihad will happen no matter what he does, so why not go all in? I have to admit that although I read the series numerous times, I still do not get his motivation for most of the time. I mean, if he wanted to avoid the Jihad, yet knew there was no way to avoid it, he was still wringing his hands during messiah, all the way to Chani's fate which he foresaw... by that point I just don't get what he was trying to avoid that didn't already happen?
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Hasselblad posted:I have to admit that although I read the series numerous times, I still do not get his motivation for most of the time. I mean, if he wanted to avoid the Jihad, yet knew there was no way to avoid it, he was still wringing his hands during messiah, all the way to Chani's fate which he foresaw... by that point I just don't get what he was trying to avoid that didn't already happen? If I remember correctly in Children of Dune it seems like his plan was to terraform dune into a green paradise, which would kill all the worms and destroy spice forever, thus meaning someone like him could never exist again, but his son convinced him that that timeline would lead to the extinction of humanity and that only his Golden Path could guide humanity to a future where there was no longer a risk of extinction
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Golden Path? more like... the yellow brick road! Am i right folks?
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Jewmanji posted:I keep hearing people say this. My old copy has a glossary at the end- is that specific to mine or is that attached to every copy, just like the Appendices? My hardcover copy has an appendices. Pretty sure it's more than a glossary. Like some house history and just some additional information. Not sure if any of my paperback copies do.
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AnEdgelord posted:If I remember correctly in Children of Dune it seems like his plan was to terraform dune into a green paradise, which would kill all the worms and destroy spice forever, thus meaning someone like him could never exist again, but his son convinced him that that timeline would lead to the extinction of humanity and that only his Golden Path could guide humanity to a future where there was no longer a risk of extinction Paul saw the golden path but would rather walk into the desert and die than become that tyrant.
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Arglebargle III posted:Paul saw the golden path but would rather walk into the desert and die than become that tyrant. hes perfectly willing to let Leto II do it though
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AnEdgelord posted:hes perfectly willing to let Leto II do it though
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RestingB1tchFace posted:My hardcover copy has an appendices. Pretty sure it's more than a glossary. Like some house history and just some additional information. Not sure if any of my paperback copies do. I know the paperback copy I first read (twenty?) years ago had at least a glossary, and the replacement copy I picked up a few years ago was (as best as I could tell) the same edition. (This one.) I've always assumed it was just a standard part of the text. I'm doing my reread on my phone, though; it's easier to do when work is slow. I imagine the ebook has a glossary in the back, but I haven't bothered to check.
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