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Dongicus posted:Right, you've proved my point. You're firmly entrenched in that belief. You're right I am. Because it's not a valid defense.
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The Shortest Path posted:Why do y'all keep saying this when it's demonstrably false Please demonstrate where the blizzwatch thread was full of people brigading and harassing other posters. Plese demonstrate that it was a toxic place where everyone was attacking people for liking blizzard games, rather than people who dislike a company and did not want people to buy their products. I read that thread and the most worked up people got was that one guy who got mad I killed blood elf paladins 14 years ago and when people fought over how fast tanks should pull in FF.
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SirSamVimes posted:Are you yet able to provide examples of the Blizzwatch thread brigading other forums?  youre in one
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Sep 10, 2021 22:13
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Dongicus posted:not commenting on arf saying retard specifically here, but i'm not sure if you can have a good back and forth discussion around language+context when one side believes/acts like every instance of irony is actually a real sentiment being expressed. Ah the "it's just a joke bro" excuse. The Shortest Path posted:Why do y'all keep saying this when it's demonstrably false By all means. Demonstrate.
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Grondoth posted:Please demonstrate where the blizzwatch thread was full of people brigading and harassing other posters. Plese demonstrate that it was a toxic place where everyone was attacking people for liking blizzard games, rather than people who dislike a company and did not want people to buy their products. tanks should slow down imo
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SirSamVimes posted:Are you yet able to provide examples of the Blizzwatch thread brigading other forums? February of this year when they tried extremely hard to get the wow subforum closed and made a qcs thread about it and posted a whole bunch circlejerking about how awesome they are for getting the blizzard subforum closed even though it was closed for inactivity and not any reasons that had anything to do with them. OhFunny posted:Ah the "it's just a joke bro" excuse. The hundreds of posts in the past 24 hours saying awful poo poo about modmins and other posters and calling people pedophiles and so on.
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Sep 10, 2021 22:14
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The Shortest Path posted:Slurs are only "allowed" in CCCC at the discretion of individual thread IKs, since it's different from regular forums and doesn't have an overarching purpose so the rules are up to whoever is in charge of each thread. Or at least that's my understanding of how CCCC works. So they're effectively banned there just like most of the rest of the site. Actually quote:(1) Don't break any of the big forums rules (examples include posting child porn or homegrown, doxing people, threatening the president, being overtly racist, sexist, anti-trans, using hate speech, etc). quote:The R-word is a form of hate speech Dang guess it can't be used. That's that right?
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Endorph posted:you best start believing in the blizzwatch thread brigading other threads... ah yes, discussing the thread's move from games in the place designated for feedback on the games forum is brigading
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Sep 10, 2021 22:15
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None of this has anything to do with Games anymore. QCS is a huge shitpile trollfest and shouldn't be used, obviously, so perhaps the solution is in a Cool Crew Chat Central feedback thread? Just my 2 cents.
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The threads I read are going great. Keep it up everyone!
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Okay I do not want to start probating people whose feedback I am otherwise interested in reading so one more warning: this is not the place to discuss whether or not you can use slurs in other forums that are not Games or Games subforums. Take that discussion elsewhere. I frankly do not care where. If you choose QCS then good luck and godspeed, I wish you all the best. From now on there'll be probations for continuing that argument in this thread.
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Sep 10, 2021 22:16
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The Shortest Path posted:February of this year when they tried extremely hard to get the wow subforum closed and made a qcs thread about it and posted a whole bunch circlejerking about how awesome they are for getting the blizzard subforum closed even though it was closed for inactivity and not any reasons that had anything to do with them. So: that thread(literally half a year ago) before it got big cause of the lawsuit, and people now mad cause it got moved suddenly for no reason.
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Sep 10, 2021 22:16
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Asema posted:Actually lmao
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Sep 10, 2021 22:17
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OhFunny posted:Ah the "it's just a joke bro" excuse. again, this is my point. it doesnt matter what the other side has to say, when you just dismiss it entirely out of hand. Almost as if discussions about this are impossible to have (at least specifically on this forum). 
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Sep 10, 2021 22:18
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I don't think it's too much to ask for just one crumb, one small example of the brigading from the Blizzwatch thread that's brough up over and over again. I've only followed the thread and (parts of) the WoW subforum since the lawsuit news hit, but never noticed any of that. I would just really like to know if I just missed it, which is absolutely possible since I was also not specifically looking for it.
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Sep 10, 2021 22:23
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I have to step away from the computer for a few hours so please try to keep the discussion civil in here so I don't have to do the  face and probate a bunch of people when I come back. Thank you.
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Vulin posted:I don't think it's too much to ask for just one crumb, one small example of the brigading from the Blizzwatch thread that's brough up over and over again. I've only followed the thread and (parts of) the WoW subforum since the lawsuit news hit, but never noticed any of that. Who is bringing up brigading over and over again besides the blizzwatch posters who apparently don't understand what the problems with the thread are?
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The Shortest Path posted:February of this year when they tried extremely hard to get the wow subforum closed and made a qcs thread about it and posted a whole bunch circlejerking about how awesome they are for getting the blizzard subforum closed even though it was closed for inactivity and not any reasons that had anything to do with them. I fail to see the issue. The points that were raised to close the WoW subforum are valid and remain so. Many WoW subforum posters agreed. Ah yes the "hundreds" of posts. Your hyperbole is only matched by how insulting you've been since the start. Dongicus posted:again, this is my point. it doesnt matter what the other side has to say, when you just dismiss it entirely out of hand. Almost as if discussions about this are impossible to have (at least specifically on this forum). You're not one for discussion Dongicus nor are you interested in having one.
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The Shortest Path posted:Who is bringing up brigading over and over again besides the blizzwatch posters who apparently don't understand what the problems with the thread are? So you said that the thread did brigade, and now that's not the issue with it.
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Why does this thread suddenly remind me of that old Blizzwatch thread I unbookmarked a while ago because it had become absolute trash?
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Sep 10, 2021 22:29
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The Shortest Path posted:Who is bringing up brigading over and over again besides the blizzwatch posters who apparently don't understand what the problems with the thread are? I know this is bait and replying is pointless but the very first post on the current meltdown brings this up, complaining that the blizzwatch thread is leaking in to others in some form quote:but let's please not pretend that there aren't people from that thread who make it their goal to go into the WoW forum and drop hot takes over and over about how much better FF14 is on an almost daily basis, and swing by with snipes about "how could people still be playing WoW?? it's so bad!!!" or "Well *I* won't be coming back to play no matter what!!!" This gets parroted yet somehow no one manages to actually link an example. Gwaihir fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Sep 10, 2021 |
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Sep 10, 2021 22:35
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Dongicus posted:not commenting on arf saying retard specifically here, but i'm not sure if you can have a good back and forth discussion around language+context when one side believes/acts like every instance of irony is actually a real sentiment being expressed.
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OhFunny posted:I fail to see the issue. The points that were raised to close the WoW subforum are valid and remain so. Many WoW subforum posters agreed. The points that were raised to close the WoW subforum were largely "Everyone who plays wow supports war crimes and sexual abuse" and then some other post hoc justifications to paper over that so they wouldn't look like assholes. I was still posting in the thread semi-actively at the time, I had multiple long conversations with Pragmatica and others about it, it's not like I'm just making this poo poo up. The "many wow subforum posters" who agreed were people who haven't played the game in years and stuck around to rampantly threadshit back when Reene was modding the place because she let them get away with it and practically actively encouraged it. That isn't helping your case the way you think it is lol Fajita Queen fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Sep 10, 2021 |
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Sep 10, 2021 22:38
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You still can't point out examples of brigading and you're outright ignoring them. Amazing. But lol at "Look at you all brigading right now by *Checks notes* Feedbacking in the feedback thread! Checkmate!"
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Sep 10, 2021 22:39
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guys the thread isnt even in Games any more lol
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Sep 10, 2021 22:40
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The Shortest Path posted:The points that were raised to close the WoW subforum were largely "Everyone who plays wow supports war crimes and sexual abuse" and then some other post hoc justifications to paper over that so they wouldn't look like assholes. I was still posting in the thread semi-actively at the time, I had multiple long conversations with Pragmatica and others about it, it's not like I'm just making this poo poo up. So, again, even if you're characterizing things correctly, that was half a year ago, before the lawsuit blew up the thread.
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Grondoth posted:So, again, even if you're characterizing things correctly, that was half a year ago, before the lawsuit blew up the thread. Yes? And? The thread has been bad for years and should have been closed a long time ago instead of being shunted off to CCCC the first time. That is the entire point I have been making since this topic came up.
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Grondoth posted:So, again, even if you're characterizing things correctly, that was half a year ago, before the lawsuit blew up the thread. I thought it was shortly after the lawsuit blew up the thread, because the lawsuit was the impetus for wanting to close the WoW subforum. Also, the argument wasn't that playing Blizzard games made you a supporter of sex pests, it was that having a subforum dedicated to WoW felt like support for a company that didn't deserve it, I believe. I didn't take part in the discussion so someone else can probably verbalise it better than me.
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I'm on mobile and don't feel like figuring out search on the app, but just go look at Cythereal's posting in the WoW patch threads for a start.
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so your main complaint is that the posters need to be punished for being mean to you for years, and moving them to cccc wasnt punishment enough as you perceive it?
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Rygar201 posted:I'm on mobile and don't feel like figuring out search on the app, but just go look at Cythereal's posting in the WoW patch threads for a start. Cythereal posts like that everywhere and has since before Blizzwatch was even a thing. Like that is not a 'Blizzwatch brigade' issue.
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Sep 10, 2021 22:45
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Rygar201 posted:I'm on mobile and don't feel like figuring out search on the app, but just go look at Cythereal's posting in the WoW patch threads for a start. If you can go ahead and connect the thread telling them to make posts in patch threads without just going "well they post in both places" that would be cool
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Rygar201 posted:I'm on mobile and don't feel like figuring out search on the app, but just go look at Cythereal's posting in the WoW patch threads for a start. And yet no one got upset in this thread about the Blizzwatch thread until a few days ago when a couple of people were threadbanned for shitposting. Then all of a sudden it became punishing cross-forum brigading.
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The Shortest Path posted:Yes? And? The thread has been bad for years and should have been closed a long time ago instead of being shunted off to CCCC the first time. That is the entire point I have been making since this topic came up. But the thing that you said is the reason it should be closed has nothing to do with how the thread was acting when it was moved. Deciding that a thread is lovely cause half a year ago something happened and thus now it's a toxic influence is insane. Thread management can't be about punishing forum crimes, it has to be about fostering environments and making sure a community isn't eating itself. Moving a popular, active thread because of something that was done long before the tone of the thread changed because we found out that Blizzard had someone literally commit suicide because of constant sexual harassment through a lawsuit from the state of California is not in any way justified.
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Terrible Opinions posted:I mean vtuber thread already proved that. whats funny about that is that the unironic posters were posting wayyyyyyyy worse poo poo than the ironic ones making fun of them.
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Sep 10, 2021 22:49
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Moola posted:guys the thread isnt even in Games any more lol
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Sep 10, 2021 22:51
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proving all my detractors wrong by acting exactly as they said also kith was probably de-iked for their inability to be normal in this thread at a time when athanatos was reading it
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Sep 10, 2021 22:52
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I've never posted in a thread with a thread-celebrity IK that constantly makes IK announcement posts and climbs on the cross whenever they make a mistake by probing themselves for 6 hours so I don't know if it's normal or not
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Dongicus posted:whats funny about that is that the unironic posters were posting wayyyyyyyy worse poo poo than the ironic ones making fun of them. yeah
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