King Vidiot posted:

I'm, uh, way more willing to forgive Quentin Tarantino than, say, Dan Schneider.

kaworu posted:

This is what I was trying to get at before. Does great art make these transgressions more excusable, somehow? Seems like it does. I mean, whether I agree with that or not, I feel some inherent cultural bias telling me that it's somehow OK or not as bad when truly brilliant/gifted people do this sort of thing as opposed to when some schlub does it.

Basebf555 posted:

It's not really about the fact that he has a thing with feet, it's that he's bringing it into the workplace and using his position as a director to get women to participate in his fetish with him. It's unprofessional at best. The comparison to Weinstein is obviously off-base though.

History Comes Inside! posted:

He put them in the movie explicitly so he had an excuse to do those things in a way that everyone would accept was legitimate while inside he was probably just super stoked that he got to suck some toes.

It’s not difficult to see why that’s gross.

Ghost Leviathan posted:

While I get there's weird stuff going on with Tarantino, people seem really eager to stretch for any possible excuse to cancel him.

Ok Comboomer posted:

And you know that because.....

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:

Why did he write that scene into the film?

Human Tornada posted:

Screenwriters sometimes put things they find sexy into their scripts.

History Comes Inside! posted:

And when they write themselves doing those things they find sexy to their co-stars, it’s gross, yes.

History Comes Inside! posted:

And when they write themselves doing those things they find sexy to their co-stars, it’s gross, yes.

Ok Comboomer posted:

So you’re saying that if Tarantino had written a scene where George Clooney sucked Salma Hayek’s toes instead it would’ve been completely above-board?

And you’re agreeing that it was inappropriate for Dunham to write nude scenes featuring herself and her costars then, right?

sponges posted:

Tarintino doesn’t come across as a particularly nice person. He mentioned recently that he doesn’t help out his mom financially because she told him not to be a filmmaker when he was a kid.

Like sure, you don’t want to poo poo on a kids dream but that’s solid advice as most people don’t make it.

Ok Comboomer posted:

Yeah, but he’s an actor in the film, working on a scene that made it to final cut. You’re misrepresenting the context of the filming of those scenes in a major way.

It’s not like Tarantino randomly decided to start sucking Salma Hayek’s toes on-set, or forced her to let him into her trailer so he could demand some quality time with her feet in exchange for keeping her job “because I’m the director”.

He didn’t gratuitously shoot foot scenes for his own enjoyment and then not put them in the final movie. Tarantino doesn’t make actresses send him lewd feet pics as a condition of keeping their job or coerce them into casting couch foot fetish situations.

If a sex scene, or a sexually explicit scene, or a scene with some kind of fetish thing (bondage, paraphilia, etc) is happening onscreen and it was pre-negotiated, and handled professionally, and it makes it into the final film as a plot beat, and everybody who participated in it feels professionally ok about it having happened then it’s not really inappropriate, is it?

Do we feel like Lena Dunham behaved inappropriately on the set of GIRLS by writing sexually explicit scenes between her character and Adam Driver’s?

What about Lars von Trier and the production of Nymphomaniac? Did he take advantage of Charlotte Gainsbourg in an unprofessional manner by filming hours and hours of graphic sex scenes?

When Michael Fassbender jacks off in Shame, is Steve McQueen being unprofessional in getting that shot? What if he was gay or sexually attracted to men who look like Fassbender, would it be inappropriate then?

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Though the movie “Desperado” was released more than two decades ago, actress and producer Salma Hayek still cringes at the sex scene in the 1995 film.

In it, she plays Carolina, a young woman who runs a bookstore cafe in a town where no one reads. Her costar, Antonio Banderas, plays El Mariachi, a revenge-seeking musician who stores guns in his guitar case.

In conversation with Dax Shepard and Monica Padman for the “Armchair Expert” podcast, Hayek recalled that the sex scene in the film — her breakthrough in the English-speaking world — was not originally in the script.

“It was demanded by the studio when they saw the chemistry,” she said during the podcast episode released Monday, “and I had a really hard time with it.”

The decision to move up north for a career in Hollywood, she said, made her the laughing stock of the media in her native country. Hayek, who played the lead in the soap opera “Teresa,” was already a star in Mexico. In the U.S., she was an extra.

And so, when “Desperado” writer-producer-director Robert Rodriguez reached out, she was ecstatic.

“I was so excited to get a job,” Hayek said. “I remember this is a time when it was almost seen as illegal to hire a Mexican in a leading role.”

Even so, Hayek was nervous about the sex scene.

To help put her at ease, Rodriguez and his then-wife, Elizabeth Avellán, who coproduced the film, closed the set. Only she, Banderas and the two producers were present for filming, which had to be done in fits and starts because Hayek cried throughout the process.

Banderas “was super nice and an absolute gentleman,” Hayek said. Avellán had become her best friend, and Rodriguez coached her through the scene.

“But I kept thinking of my father and my brother,” Hayek said. “Are they going to see it? Are they going to get teased?”

During the film screening, the actress escorted them out of the theater for the duration of the scene.

“It’s not that my father is a tyrant,” she added, “but you want him to be nothing but proud of you.”

“When you see that scene, though, can you enjoy it?” Shepard asked Hayek.

“No,” she said.

Hayek went on to earn an Academy Award nomination for her performance in “Frida” (2002), a film she produced.

In a 2017 op-ed for the New York Times, the actress said that former film producer and convicted sex offender Harvey Weinstein attempted to shut down “Frida” unless Hayek agreed to include a full-frontal nude scene. In a statement at the time, he said, “All of the sexual allegations as portrayed by Salma are not accurate.”

When asked about the role sex appeal has played in her career, Hayek told the podcast hosts: “At the beginning of my career, I had to embrace it as a tool, in a protective way.

“I can be myself now,” she added, “but at the beginning you’re disappointed that that’s all they can see.”

King Vidiot posted:

You can enjoy Tarantino's movies while also thinking he's a little bit gross and weird. And also yes, there are plenty of people who go out of their way to let you know that they both don't like him and don't like his movies.

CPL593H posted:

I would bet my life on the fact that he's probably a complete rear end in a top hat or just an insufferable person but having read his statements about that and articles talking about it it sounds like his relationship with his mother was a lot more toxic than her disapproving of his aspirations of film making.

Did you miss the article someone posted where the very same actor said the producer of the film she was poured her heart and soul into demanded she do a sex scene? Obviously Tarantino isn't anywhere near as bad as Weinstein but he wrote a part for his character to indulge in his own personal fetish on screen. And women very famously have less agency and power in the film industry than men. Especially in the early 90s when that movie was made and she was still up and coming. She similarly had an experience making Desperado where she was terrified of doing the sex scene and has said she cried doing it. It's probably safe to say that she was exploited a number of times in the early days of her career which is the exact problem this thread is about.

Maybe making the actor shove her foot in your mouth for no reason that serves the plot or the script is actually bad and creepy especially when they probably don't have enough agency to tell you to gently caress off. I don't think Tarantino is some Weinstein level predator but it's still pretty gross and if you don't at least give something like this the side eye then I don't know what to tell you.

Ok Comboomer posted:

stuff

CPL593H posted:

kaworu posted:

I think we should give a shout-out to Tommy Wiseau and "The Room" for laying bare this dynamic and making it as obvious as possible. I think every writer/director/actor-type is egotistical enough to have impure motives when it comes to this sort of thing.

Ok Comboomer posted:

loving hell, the on-set stories about those sex scenes totally killed my fondness for that movie

and it’s super obvious onscreen too once you know about it

Tommy’s so loving gross

porfiria posted:

It's super obvious before you know about it tbh.

edogawa rando posted:

Why are you surprised that she wants her pound of flesh after getting hosed by her own family for so long?

DeimosRising posted:

Because if she’s going to go at him with both barrels why is he caving? He won the court case, what’s his motivation?

DeimosRising posted:

Because if she’s going to go at him with both barrels why is he caving? He won the court case, what’s his motivation?

Parakeet vs. Phone posted:

I assume that she/her lawyer is still pushing because he kind of pulled this poo poo once before. There was a whole rush of headlines promising that he was stepping down, then a big backtrack. If they're smart they keep up the pressure until the ink's dry on any deal.

CPL593H posted:

I'm not trying to cancel him at all. I own a copy every single one of his movies (with the exception of his most recent and Death Proof) including From Dusk Till Dawn. All I'm saying it's the foot scene in From Dusk Till Dawn is loving creepy and it seems like he put it in there for his own satisfaction and not for any artistic or entertainment purposes. I could easily be wrong. Having a foot fetish isn't weird. I don't give a poo poo if people have a foot fetish. But doing poo poo like that is weird. And a lot of women on their way up in the industry get taken advantage of. Salma Hayek is one such actor who had been exploited. Even in the story about Desperado where she didn't say she felt abused or taken advantage of she outright says how uncomfortable she was with doing the sex scene to the point where she still doesn't like it and laments that in her early career she was summed up as sex appeal instead of an actor.

That's it.

Skwirl posted:

Honestly, Uma Thurman's feet in Pulp Fiction seems more gratuitous than Selma Hayek's in From Dusk till Dawn. The entire point of the scene was Vampires were in total domination of the situation and stepping on someone is a sign of domination. Uma Thurman's reveal was hiding the face of the woman on the loving movie poster.

Skwirl posted:

Honestly, Uma Thurman's feet in Pulp Fiction seems more gratuitous than Selma Hayek's in From Dusk till Dawn. The entire point of the scene was Vampires were in total domination of the situation and stepping on someone is a sign of domination. Uma Thurman's reveal was hiding the face of the woman on the loving movie poster.

Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

You are being extremely loving weird about a man you know next to nothing about as a person.

Unoriginal Name posted:

I'm not good friends with Dan Schneider either. You wanna leap to his defense too?