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Content Warning: Descriptions of sexual abuse and suicide.VideoGames posted:This topic is for Game Industry news only. Welcome to the Blizzard's Decline & Fall thread. Before we get into anything else: off-topic chat is strictly forbidden. This thread was created out of a want and need to have a space to discuss the topic at hand without cross-talk. If you're interested in a more casual environment or simple deathwatch shitposting, the Blizzwatch thread will be happy to have you. Over the last 5 years, there has been a growing perception of wrongdoing in the videogame industry by big name actors in the development scene. There have been three notable players in this space: ABK, Riot, and Ubisoft.  If you somehow don't know who ABK are, they're a conglomerate of Activision (Call of Duty, Crash Bandicoot), Blizzard (Warcraft, Starcraft, Diablo), and King (Candy Crush). On the whole, ABK's issues could fill a library, so I'm not going to directly write a blurb on each of them and instead link to a relevant wiki article (given the wiki has links to the relevant news articles directly). However, it's worth noting that for many years, Blizzard was considered to be THE studio to work at to build prestige, having created multiple beloved franchises and generally being considered an industry giant due to its overwhelming cultural influence. Current topics California Department of Fair Employment and Housing v. Activision Blizzard - without going into too much detail, the State of California lodged a court case against ABK relating to a culture of workplace sexual harassment, where women were functionally treated like second class citizens and sexual objects. Additionally covers Blizzard's treatment of staff and fans at Blizzcon (the infamous "Cosby suite" - reportedly not named after Bill Cosby's conduct but because "A rug in the room looked like one of his sweaters"). On a related point, it's just came out today that it looks like the Blizzard case may be moving from State Court to Federal Court https://twitter.com/josheidelson/status/1437813878461644803?s=20 Blitzchung "Free Hong Kong" controversy - Blitzchung was an esports player of hearthstone from Hong Kong who in October 2019 after winning a round of Hearthstone live on stream put on a mask similar to those worn by those in Hong Kong protesting the Chinese Government's actions and said "Liberate Hong Kong, the revolution of our times". This specifically lead to the stream being cut, the casters who were hosting it had their contracts terminated, and Blitzchung himself was banned from that tournament and others. The public outcry to this was swift, brutal, and far reaching to the point that the US Senate ended up issuing a letter to the company, several comentators / streamers chose to no longer stream blizzard products. During Blizzcon 2019, Blizzard chose to address the controversy without actually addressing the controversy by promising to "do better", and then promptly deleted the apology from the VODs. ABK hires a literal GWB Era War Criminal as compliance officer - this isn't the only one! =============================================== The following two topics are specifically relating to Ubisoft (Developers of Assassin's Creed, Rainbow Six Siege, etc) and Riot (League of Legends, Valorant), however I want to specify ahead of time that I am not fully across the relevant allegations here and are included principally because of the proximity of the allegations to ABK - more relevant information can be found in the #metoo thread where people have discussed this in more detail as information has come to light. Ubisoft Sexual Misconduct - This is a large topic, however similar to the Blizzard allegations, Ubisoft have been hit by several waves of sexual harrassment allegations that have claimed the scalps of several executives. The issue here however is that the allegations have not ceased and are continuing as at time of writing with the Singapore studio currently under investigation indicating that the french studio's problems span company and worldwide. Riot Games Sexual Misconduct - Similar to Ubisoft, Riot's had extensive issues for several years, which is understandable given the cross pollination between ABK and Riot Games. Specifically allegations of Sexual harassment stemming directly from the CEO, (an internal investigation later found "no evidence" of this conduct by the CEO), as well as ongoing gender discrimination in terms of pay rates. Riot specifically has attempted to avoid government ire here with specific private settlements with individuals that prevents them from speaking to the government. =========================================== It is specifically worth pointing out as a final note here that the scale of information that's come out over the last few years is staggering in its depth and as such the information presented in the OP is specifically intended as a high level view only and specifically omits information because there's just no way to cover it all in a summary. If you're eager for reading up on similar subjects outside of this specific thread, there is the #metoo thread and the TG Industry thread. Mazed posted:My testimonial as ex-Blizz doesn't weigh as much in comparison to the utterly ghastly anecdotes that flooded social media in the wake of the story breaking, mostly from women impacted directly, which is where so much of the real raw meat of this shitshow lies. Zil posted:KPI talk reminds me of something, were you there for the four boxes thing? Where you had four categories to reach and if you were above the average you were considered epic. Oh and you needed to have four epic boxes three times in a row to be considered for promotion. Also if you had 1 sick day you immediately got a red box for attendance. Heran Bago posted:I can't keep track of what and when Blizzard poo poo went down. Some news sites have their own timeline but it's always missing things. I started my own to summarize each one concisely but there's just so much that it balooned. I also include an out-of-context quote for most to help me remember and contextualize that specific poo poo. Anyone leaving the company I called "quitting" which isn't accurate. I think I forgot a couple employee protests or company-wide emails, so if I missed or misplaced anyting please speak up and I'll edit.
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I have seen a lot of people saying there is a correlation between the general declining quality of Blizzard games with the wave of veteran departures over the last few years. Yet, the lawsuit tells us the people most responsible for the harassment and it's uh..it's the veterans that left. The veterans who created a global juggernaut with WoW, redefined the RTS genre multiple times with Starcraft and Warcraft, redefined ARPGs with Diablo, and were widely known for the high quality bar for launching a game. This directly clashes with the bemoaning of "the old blizzard wouldn't have done this" because it was the old blizzard that did the cube crawls and sexpesting. The entire company must be purged at this point, the rot is just too deep. Blizzard has ALWAYS been this way, as far as takeaways from the lawsuit are concerned. They can be better going forward, but it is clear that they have been this way for so long that it created an endemic culture of frat bro-ism and that doesn't happen overnight, or even in a few years.
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HonorableTB posted:I have seen a lot of people saying there is a correlation between the general declining quality of Blizzard games with the wave of veteran departures over the last few years. Yet, the lawsuit tells us the people most responsible for the harassment and it's uh..it's the veterans that left. The veterans who created a global juggernaut with WoW, redefined the RTS genre multiple times with Starcraft and Warcraft, redefined ARPGs with Diablo, and were widely known for the high quality bar for launching a game. This directly clashes with the bemoaning of "the old blizzard wouldn't have done this" because it was the old blizzard that did the cube crawls and sexpesting. For a lot of reasons, I want to avoid posting in this thread, but I do want to clear something about this particular narrative: A lot of these old games were good because the swath of individual contributors on the projects were good. In fact, I'd go as far to say that a game like WoW was good *despite* Alex's uh...'contributions'. Most of these people are not famous, but their contributions to the quality of the games were huge. It is my estimation that there has been a higher rate of migration away from Blizzard by a lot of these individuals over the past 5 years. More importantly, the vast majority of these folks are good people. To that end, while there are some prominent sex pests that definitely existed in the past, throwing all of those people under the bus is unfair at best.
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I am hesitant to say the quality correlates with the sex pestery. People still play and apparently enjoy Riot games, and it seems to have all the same problems as Blizz
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thetoughestbean posted:I am hesitant to say the quality correlates with the sex pestery. People still play and apparently enjoy Riot games, and it seems to have all the same problems as Blizz Nah riot has precisely one less problem: riot pays people competitively.
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Isn't Riot being sued by California because they tried to lowball their own sexual harassment suit victims on the compensation they were owed?
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This wouldn't hurt as much if Blizzard hadn't been the reigning champion of online, social gaming for well over a decade straight. But it was, and people have a deep fondness for Blizzard properties, which even outside their inherent charm and appeal have served as the foundation for numerous interpersonal relationships; friends made, bonds formed, experiences had. Lateral thinking skills honed due to RTS play; organizational skills acquired from raiding with your guild. The number of married couples who met thanks to WoW are at the very least in the triple digits. As such: As grotesque and damning as these allegations are, no one should feel bad for having been a fan of those games. Your good times with them aren't invalidated because their makers are exploitative creeps who think they're literal rockstars.
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didn't Blizzard North do Diablo 1 & 2, which was a completely separate studio? then again, not sure if they also had allegations in their studio that's long since disbanded
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Mazed posted:This wouldn't hurt as much if Blizzard hadn't been the reigning champion of online, social gaming for well over a decade straight. For me its this. Having been a fan for years and actually working there for a time, it hurts to see what has become of the place. It also really stings to know that this stuff was going on while I was working there. All I care to type up about it now, but I really do hope this thread gets people really talking about this issue in the gaming software industry.
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Warcraft 3's custom mapping scene was the apex of entertainment per dollar spent for me. That's it, that's all I've got, I really loved diving into custom maps because of their insane diversity, something new and entertaining with almost every map. I've genuinely never seen anything like it before or after and that fact that its attached to such a height of scumbags hurts. It hurts real bad.
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Dreylad posted:didn't Blizzard North do Diablo 1 & 2, which was a completely separate studio? then again, not sure if they also had allegations in their studio that's long since disbanded They are a separate studio yes, no allegations have been made against blizzard North that I'm aware of. The man responsible for that studio has been extremely open with his disgust. Can't remember his name but he came up in the other thread when the news broke of the California case.
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tithin posted:They are a separate studio yes, no allegations have been made against blizzard North that I'm aware of. David Brevik, who has been publicly extremely at odds with blizzard irvine for, uh at least a decade now, if not substantially longer. He was also one of the early people who was yelling about how rotten blizzard was years before it was common knowledge and on that note, he was one of the main inspirations for the original blizzwatch thread (back in the days when it was all blizz chat still, lol). Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Sep 15, 2021 |
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Sep 15, 2021 01:09
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Ubisoft Summary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_0eWpWncdc
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It's a sad business. I've enjoyed a lot of Blizzard games, but they're not a company I can support anymore, even if they still made good content.
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Firstly, thanks for this thread, Tith. Nice to have a place to talk about this stuff that isn't drowned in someone complaining about his Kickstarter or their anime MMO characters.Klaus88 posted:Warcraft 3's custom mapping scene was the apex of entertainment per dollar spent for me. It really is remarkable what people could do with StarEdit and WorldEdit. One of the biggest tragedies of the absolute disaster of Warcraft 3: Reforged was that a lot of custom maps were rendered non-functional and custom campaign support was removed. I'd love to know what happened with Reforged behind the scenes because I don't think there's ever been an in-depth account. But as someone who kept one foot in the custom campaign/UMS scene, it was tragic to watch Starcraft 2 make it difficult to distribute campaigns (there were some very interesting projects that died very early) and then watched Reforged just kind of break the Warcraft side of things... It's not quite vandalism but it's really insensitive to one of the pillars that maintained interest in the game and world. The very first custom campaign I ever played was about Raynor un-zerging Kerrigan even. Personally, I think Blizzard's decline began as far back as Starcraft 2. Whatever bright ideas they had that led to Brood War and Warcraft 3 were no longer there. One thing I've always been curious about was how much of a role James Phinney played in Starcraft's writing. He worked on the original but not on Brood War or anything later. He also worked on Sacrifice which has some incredible writing and when you compare it to Starcraft I think you can see how much of an influence Phinney was. I've always wondered how much he brought to it, because I think one can argue that even Brood War represents a departure from Starcraft's tone and style and characters.
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^ lolKlaus88 posted:Warcraft 3's custom mapping scene was the apex of entertainment per dollar spent for me. I'm in the same boat. Hell, I started my entire career in game development because of Warcraft III and Starcraft II's editors, and honestly watching all of this unfold has been heartbreaking. Tons of connections that I spent years building are just gone now because of all of this poo poo.
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And now ABK employees have filed a charge with the National Labor Relations Board! Specifically union busting and employee intimidation.quote:“[The company] told employees they cannot communicate with or discuss ongoing investigations of wages, hours and working conditions; maintained an overly broad social media policy; enforced the social media policy against employees who have engaged in protected concerted activity; threatened or disciplined employees on account of protected concerted activity; engaged in surveillance of employees engaged in protected concerted activity and engaged in interrogation of employees about protected concerted activity.” It should be noted that the law firm representing ABK, WilmerHale, has a history of union busting and is the former employer of WoW lead Ion Hazzikostas!
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:He also worked on Sacrifice which has some incredible writing and when you compare it to Starcraft I think you can see how much of an influence Phinney was. Minor aside, but Sacrifice is one of those games from ready back in the day that was an absolute loving Gem and more people should at least watch a video about it. The characters and writing in particular were incredibly memorable with fantastic personalities.
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One of the common reactions I've seen to the continuing saga of Activision-Blizzard news is "It's just as bad everywhere else" and I just want to say no! it's not! Whats been going on at ABK is so shocking because it goes far beyond the general norm of game companies acting like scumbags. It's not normal for game companies to have an employee sexually harassed into suicide on a business trip after she had co-workers sharing pictures of her genitals around the office and her direct supervisor brought a bunch of sex toys with him on the trip. It's not normal for game companies to ban a pro player for supporting the Hong Kong protests, then terminating casters for talking to him, and subsequently being condemned by the highest ranking members of the US government of all things. It's not normal for game companies to be hiring into c-level positions a Bush administration person involved with torture authorization & abu ghraib prison, and a Trump administration fixer who threatened the state department's inspector general to call off an investigation into misuse of government resources. It's not normal for game companies to be taken to court by state (and now maybe federal as well) labor agencies over violating worker rights laws. Unless I guess you're Riot games, the company down the street from Blizzard known for poaching as many former Blizzard people as possible. It's not normal for game companies to respond to said lawsuits with insane political rants about how the government doesn't have the right to investigate them for crimes, and subsequently the government amending their case against them to include destruction of evidence. It may be normal for game companies to be bad but none of this is normal! It's really weird! Lazy Fair fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Sep 15, 2021 |
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It's not retaliation. See here in these reviews that the outspoken members of our staff had shows a sharp decline in work ethic and teamwork. We don't need those kinds of people here in Activision Blizzard..
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Kortel posted:It's not retaliation. See here in these reviews that the outspoken members of our staff had shows a sharp decline in work ethic and teamwork. We don't need those kinds of people here in Activision Blizzard.. They did not fit in well with the company culture.
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You guys joke, but I'd like to make it absolutely clear that anyone in the United States can be fired at any time for a bullshit non-reason like "bad culture fit" and as an employee your only option is to sue your employer. Obviously, this isn't realistic due to the massive resource disparity between an individual and a company, as well as the extreme difficulty of proving wrongful termination. This is part of the reason why corporate interests have spent decades upon decades and millions upon millions destroying worker's unions - collective action was one of the few effective options to protect against abusive behavior like that by large companies. I know this is widely understood but I think it's worth saying anyway
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Chillgamesh posted:You guys joke, but I'd like to make it absolutely clear that anyone in the United States can be fired at any time for a bullshit non-reason like "bad culture fit" and as an employee your only option is to sue your employer. Obviously, this isn't realistic due to the massive resource disparity between an individual and a company, as well as the extreme difficulty of proving wrongful termination. This is part of the reason why corporate interests have spent decades upon decades and millions upon millions destroying worker's unions - collective action was one of the few effective options to protect against abusive behavior like that by large companies. I know this is widely understood but I think it's worth saying anyway
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I learned how useful HR was when I gave a "confidential" statement to support a female coworker who felt like she was being harassed, and a little while after I left a friend talked to the guy in question and got a bunch of poo poo about how I sold him out and screwed him over (obviously didn't lose his job though). I can't figure out how he could have known I said anything, let alone was involved, unless someone in HR had told him. Even the woman didn't know I had said anything to HR as far as I know.
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It's a drop in the ocean, and I don't have any skin in the game, but the way Blizzard shuttered Heroes of the Storm was some bullshit. They announced publicly that they were shutting down the eSports scene and taking developers off the game. This public announcement is how professional players and casters found out they were out of a job.
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Heran Bago posted:It's a drop in the ocean, and I don't have any skin in the game, but the way Blizzard shuttered Heroes of the Storm was some bullshit. This also came immediately after a Blizzcon presentation where they talked about how excited they were for the next HGC season. It wasn't just the players and casters, but the developers too.
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One important lesson the layman can take away from this is that HR will never help you and is only there to cover the company's rear end. Pls unionize 
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HonorableTB posted:I have seen a lot of people saying there is a correlation between the general declining quality of Blizzard games with the wave of veteran departures over the last few years. Yet, the lawsuit tells us the people most responsible for the harassment and it's uh..it's the veterans that left. The veterans who created a global juggernaut with WoW, redefined the RTS genre multiple times with Starcraft and Warcraft, redefined ARPGs with Diablo, and were widely known for the high quality bar for launching a game. This directly clashes with the bemoaning of "the old blizzard wouldn't have done this" because it was the old blizzard that did the cube crawls and sexpesting. From what I've been hearing out of a few ex-Blizzard people I've spoken to in the last couple of years, they're separate issues. The picture that was painted for me was that the Activision end of the partnership was actively trying to wring as much money out of every facet of the business as possible, which created issues with the ongoing games like Overwatch's lootboxes, the mismanagement of Heroes of the Storm, and the general malaise of World of Warcraft. That pressure eventually resulted in a years-long talent drain that only made the problems worse, and now here we are. That was happening on top of the sex-pesting and general rot, not because of it.
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crossposting Blizz is clearly trying and hoping for a pr blitz starting in a few days. Gonna be the d2r release, owl finals, and then ow2 announcement during the owl finals. I really do not expect much from the ow2 announcement. They obviously have jack poo poo to show or they would've already been showing it off. There's some speculation that they ***might*** have multiple new heroes ready to go but lmao I will enthusiastically take the under on that every single time. Especially on the 'ready to go' part. Tbh the ow2 info release probably is aimed as much at the currently very not-happy owl team owners as anything else. Generating some buzz to distract from the various lawsuits and scandals is a plus. D2R is another big can of worms. At the moment, d2r is still on a corporate mandated release deadline, but if they're going to blow it as badly as WC3 Reforged did, then there aren't a lot of indications of it yet. That said, we still have seen nearly nothing past the first 2 acts and still no sign of the assassin or the necromancer. Basically I believe that we've only seen the stuff the d4 team finished and everything else that VV has been working on hasn't made it out at all. As it stands, d2r is releasing with features removed from d2 and with no ladder and with an extremely bizarre patchwork of bugs fixed and bugs ignored (next hit always misses is still in, they ''''fixed'''' the beloved eth armor bug and the weapon swap animation cancel ''''bug'''' that was used in pvp, but hey! they fixed assassin traps counting as uniques! The no ladder on release is concerning. WC3r promised a ladder 'soon after release' too and 2+ years later and there's still no ladder. The only evidence of a ladder system even being in is, strangely, a mockup? I do think it'll get a ladder because even for all their faults I can't imagine they'd be stupid enough to repeat the wc3r thing of just pulling all support the day after release (and then firing/disbanding the team that worked on it). But, with that said, I don't think d2r gets much support after release either beyond what one or two people can do. The other bizarre thing about launching without a ladder is that they only have a few days, maybe a week before people get bots running in d2r and then the entire economy is just another huge botfest. If I was putting money on it, d2r will probably come out in a fine/playable state. Who tf knows how much support it gets after release though. They're obviously going to pull nearly all resources from it after it comes out, but just out of sheer self-interest you'd expect them to keep it supported at least long enough to get a ladder season going and to patch out the first rounds of economy wrecking glitches and exploits. I would be very hesitant to put money on any features actually getting added after it releases tho Wanderer posted:From what I've been hearing out of a few ex-Blizzard people I've spoken to in the last couple of years, they're separate issues. Yeah they're separate issues. The loss of veteran developers and project managers has impacted blizzard's productivity. And by impacted I mean cratered it. All the activision poo poo has been around for ages at this point and has been something of a constant. Similarly the layoffs of veteran employees has also contributed to the massive morale problem that has further undermined their ability to get anything done and, especially after the lawsuit, has been disastrous for their ability to even hire new people. Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 23:33 on Sep 17, 2021 |
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FWIW a friend of mine got a call from their recruiter and it seems like their hiring pipeline is still in "gently caress you, we're blizzard" mode. If there was even a basic attempt to make the job attractive they might still be able to hire right now. The recruiter was like "yeah the salary isn't attractive, and there won't be any bonuses because our revenue is down 60% from our target for this point in the year, so don't come here thinking you're going to make a lot of money." Like, drat, at least sugar coat it.
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:Personally, I think Blizzard's decline began as far back as Starcraft 2. Whatever bright ideas they had that led to Brood War and Warcraft 3 were no longer there. One thing I've always been curious about was how much of a role James Phinney played in Starcraft's writing. He worked on the original but not on Brood War or anything later. He also worked on Sacrifice which has some incredible writing and when you compare it to Starcraft I think you can see how much of an influence Phinney was. I've always wondered how much he brought to it, because I think one can argue that even Brood War represents a departure from Starcraft's tone and style and characters. Brood War reads like there were 14 writers, 5 who had recently watched Starship Troopers.
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30.5 Days posted:FWIW a friend of mine got a call from their recruiter and it seems like their hiring pipeline is still in "gently caress you, we're blizzard" mode. If there was even a basic attempt to make the job attractive they might still be able to hire right now. The recruiter was like "yeah the salary isn't attractive, and there won't be any bonuses because our revenue is down 60% from our target for this point in the year, so don't come here thinking you're going to make a lot of money." Like, drat, at least sugar coat it. tfw even the recruiter isn't feeling it
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From what I heard mods aren't going to work on D2R and my understanding is that anyone still playing diablo2 after 20 years is only playing it with mods or is a bot. There's only so much rose colored glasses can do for a 20 year old game with less functionality then the game that released 20 years ago. What are the player numbers like on WC3 reforged? did it ever recover from gutting their custom games and constant crashes? Sorta glad I never played Broodwar or WC3 or diablo2 as a kid so that I wouldn't be attached to them and feel bad for their fall and decline, good time to be a age of empires fan though.
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:From what I heard mods aren't going to work on D2R and my understanding is that anyone still playing diablo2 after 20 years is only playing it with mods or is a bot. They're allowing mods for single player. Can't play multiplayer with mods.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:tfw even the recruiter isn't feeling it I kinda respect the honesty. I've had so many recruiters blow smoke up my rear end (entirely different industry) that I'd be pretty happy if one were to just lay out expectations bluntly - good or bad - and let me make a decision to move forward. Let's not talk about ownership or passion, let's not talk about creativity or work/life balance. Tell me what the pay is, what's expected of me, what the metrics are, let me meet the group I'd be working with to understand team dynamics and let's go from there. Edit: At the same time, the recruiter almost certainly said that because they will get dinged if they have too many new hires that quit within X months for any reason, and it's easier to just say "Hey, we interviewed, bad fit/they've seen the news/whatever, let's move on."
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Shooting Blanks posted:I kinda respect the honesty. I've had so many recruiters blow smoke up my rear end (entirely different industry) that I'd be pretty happy if one were to just lay out expectations bluntly - good or bad - and let me make a decision to move forward. Let's not talk about ownership or passion, let's not talk about creativity or work/life balance. Tell me what the pay is, what's expected of me, what the metrics are, let me meet the group I'd be working with to understand team dynamics and let's go from there. Yeah I'm not saying they're horrible, it's just more of the same poo poo with blizzard, where, if they really wanted to attract people, they'd be making competitive offers. Lord knows they can afford to. Hell even riot figured out that you can just pay people enough money that they will put up with some of your bullshit. Instead, it's basically the same 'you can't put a price on prestige' hiring script, minus the promise of prestige lol, which, particularly in Irvine, you definitely can put a price on because you need to actually make some money to not be living paycheck to paycheck there Cythereal posted:They're allowing mods for single player. Can't play multiplayer with mods. I don't think even plugy (the only singleplayer d2 mod that I am even aware of?) will be compatible with d2r. All the multiplayer mods are going to be unsupported or was that 
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MH Knights posted:It should be noted that the law firm representing ABK, WilmerHale, has a history of union busting and is the former employer of WoW lead Ion Hazzikostas! I don’t believe any allegations of misconduct have been offered for Mr Hazzokostas, but I will take this opportunity to point out prior to him joining Blizzard he was a member of Elitist Jerks which started as an offshoot of the beta Goon Squad guild. It’s full circle y’all.
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thetoughestbean posted:I am hesitant to say the quality correlates with the sex pestery. People still play and apparently enjoy Riot games, and it seems to have all the same problems as Blizz Yeah I don't think it's a stretch to say that the old guard were really good at making video games and were also horrible sex pests.
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