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enki42 posted:Aziz Ansari? I can't remember exactly what he said in his special that addressed it but I think from the beginning he's been pretty contrite. It's hard to say whether he's got better since it was an isolated report in the first place and no one is exactly monitoring his dates, but I don't think there's been any other scandals since. I might be misremembering it, but the Aziz Ansari thing was way more minor than Louis CK. He went on a date with a girl, she came back to his place and he pressured her for sex, she said no, he kept pressuring, she kept saying no, and left without having sex with him? He was absolutely being a creep to her, but he didn't pull his loving dick out in front of her?
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Skwirl posted:I might be misremembering it, but the Aziz Ansari thing was way more minor than Louis CK. He went on a date with a girl, she came back to his place and he pressured her for sex, she said no, he kept pressuring, she kept saying no, and left without having sex with him? Oh for sure he's on a way lower tier than most people. He was basically really creepy and didn't pick up on non-verbal cues and discomfort on the part of the woman (or willfully ignored them, although he's maintained that he genuinely wasn't aware the woman was uncomfortable)
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Sep 17, 2021 16:49
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Aziz also mainly took flak because he made being a big feminist ally part of his identity. Then it turns out he's got chronic porn brain and is trying to fish hook women. As far as I remember from the last time it came up, I think one of the only ones that counts for genuine apology and return would be Dan Harmon. Everybody else either just barrels through it or disappears.
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Sep 17, 2021 16:54
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CPL593H posted:Why work on yourself and try to make amends when you can pander to chuds and still make a lot of money? One of the things his friend lectured me about was that it was so sad that CK lost everything for one stupid mistake and how doing comedy was his dream and he lost his dream and blah blah blah as if I'm supposed to feel sorry for a millionaire who had to briefly stop doing his comedy because he sexually assaulted multiple women. the whole "he lost everything" is so stupid, theres even one in this thread (e: page 224). even if he did lose everything, its not a human right to be a celebrity comedian. he can go work at a muffler shop, he has the experience.
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Sep 17, 2021 17:08
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Louie has millions of dollars. He lost a TV deal that he was hinting he was ready to be done with and canceled a tour. And he started touring like a year later. He didn't lose poo poo. gently caress that guy.
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Sep 17, 2021 18:07
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Louis CK lost "hypothetical money", as in money he pulled out of his rear end as what he would've earned had he not stopped his tour dates or whatever. He had nobody to blame for himself for not owning up to what he did and apologizing back when it happened.
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Sep 17, 2021 18:23
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Yes but also gently caress that guy and furthermore
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Edit: decided to delete my post because it was an inappropriate comparison
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Sep 17, 2021 18:39
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I don't see how sexual assault is analogous or similar to that at all. I really wish people wouldn't downplay the heinous poo poo of sexual assault by likening them to whatever loving pet peeve they have.
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Well I thought the conversation was about some offensive homophobic stuff Norm Macdonald had said. Apologies if I misunderstood the line of the conversation.
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Basebf555 posted:Honestly I just think comedians are soft these days when it comes to criticism. To be fair, modern criticism is a whole different animal. Twenty years ago you and me could spend an hour outside the gas station criticizing actors, comedians, politicians, and nothing we said would travel more than ten feet past us. Now in seconds I can find almost anyone noteworthy online and let them know that their whole family should get cancer and die in a fire.
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Sep 17, 2021 18:57
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I’ve mentioned this before but stand up comedians are the absolute worst at taking criticism. I listen to their podcasts and the amount of time they spend complaining about cancel culture is just insane. They won’t shut up about it. It’s become a cliche. I don’t know if they’re trying to appeal to chuds or if they’re too loving dumb to realize what they’re doing.
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sponges posted:I’ve mentioned this before but stand up comedians are the absolute worst at taking criticism. I listen to their podcasts and the amount of time they spend complaining about cancel culture is just insane. They won’t shut up about it. It’s become a cliche. I find a lot of comedians have an over-inflated sense of self-importance, like their jokes are the ones that are challenging society.
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Sep 17, 2021 20:13
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Skwirl posted:I might be misremembering it, but the Aziz Ansari thing was way more minor than Louis CK. He went on a date with a girl, she came back to his place and he pressured her for sex, she said no, he kept pressuring, she kept saying no, and left without having sex with him? It was notorious for two reasons - he was the guy wearing the Time's Up pin on red carpets, wrote a book on modern dating, presented himself as this uber feminist ally - babe.net, the people publishing the story, styled themselves as rogue "hip" journalists who ignored a lot of ethics and reporting standards, then stepped into it feuding with people on social media about the whole thing constantly So, what could've been a conversation about bad dates, porn addled brains, and a guy who bragged about being an ally ignoring or not understanding non-verbal communication such as 'girl gets up, walks over to the other side of the room' became instead about the lovely rag that pushed the story hoping for their big moment in the spotlight.
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Skwirl posted:Has anyone done that? Like shown actual contrivance and got better? Dan Harmon's the big one. Davros1 posted:I find a lot of comedians have an over-inflated sense of self-importance, like their jokes are the ones that are challenging society. Every stand-up comedian wants to think they're secretly the next George Carlin. The issue is George Carlin actually had a mature and reasonable understanding of his place in the world and he understood that the benefits of having a major platform also came with equally large responsibilities.
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There's a great Curt Vonnegut quote I can't remember at the moment about how every artist was against the vietnam war and it meant precisely dick. Art can change the world, but not when the world really doesn't want to change. Every comedian complaining about cancel culture wasn't trying to change the world for the better regardless. They want to feel smart and special as they put people beneath them on the social ladder in their place, and when people use their free speech to criticize them for it, they whinge about how there's no free speech anymore. LividLiquid fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Sep 17, 2021 |
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Sep 17, 2021 22:12
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Skwirl posted:I might be misremembering it, but the Aziz Ansari thing was way more minor than Louis CK. He went on a date with a girl, she came back to his place and he pressured her for sex, she said no, he kept pressuring, she kept saying no, and left without having sex with him? As a factual matter he did in fact pull his loving dick out in front of her but IIRC that was after she had already blown him once? which is uh... not exactly the same context as Louis CK even at the worst interpretation of Aziz Ansari.
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Skwirl posted:Has anyone done that? Like shown actual contrivance and got better? The textbook example to this is Dan Harmon who spent a good 7-10 minutes on his podcast discussing what he did, why he was wrong, why he knew it was wrong then and still did it, and how awful his actions were and their impact. It is literally the best example of showing contrition and actually accepting of responsibility I've ever seen and even his victim told people to give it a listen. https://www.vulture.com/2018/01/dan-harmon-delivers-a-lengthy-apology-to-former-community-writer-megan-ganz-on-harmontown.html
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Davros1 posted:I find a lot of comedians have an over-inflated sense of self-importance, like their jokes are the ones that are challenging society. i think theres a lot there yeah. you either get heckled out immediately or you train yourself to be the person who doesnt give a poo poo about hecklers and cancel culture and whatever the gently caress im saying my truth its brilliant. so what if i assault someone, they were there first! after a certain point, everybody is trying to bring you down & they dont know how hard you had to work to get where you are ah poo poo, i just described capitalism again
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Comedians do this thing where they act like they're big important modern day philosophers until someone calls them out on a really lovely joke or comment they made. Then all of a sudden their super important commentary is "just jokes and not meant to be taken seriously.". And then of course it's everyone else who is being too sensitive when the big important comedian has a meltdown over it and looks like an rear end in a top hat.
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Chris Delia Louis CK, Aziz, Bryan Callen, etc seem to be able to keep afloat because they get this hardened subset of their prior audience suddenly making extra effort to throw money at them.i am pretty sure Loius' first shows back got standing ovations because of all the dude bros projecting. I don't know. There are so so so many podcast comedians now so who people form parasocial relationships with is kind of on them.
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CPL593H posted:I once had the pleasure of having a personal friend of Louis CK ask me my opinion on CK and after a back and forth of "I don't want to discuss that." he told me it was fine and no matter what I said wouldn't bother him. So I offered my opinion that I no longer am a fan for obvious reasons. So then ne proceeded to berate me about how it's all totally wrong and that Louis CK only said "These stories are true." so people wouldn't bother the victims and ackshully... It was probably the single most awkward experience of my life and I wanted to float out of my body. And this went on for a solid 20 minutes. Never meet your idols, kids! The replies to that woman recounting her sexual assault from Norm has other women piping up about how working in a comic club underage made them hate all comics. Jesus christ.
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Just for reference this is the guy who defended CK to me and all the stuff he said in this video is what he said to me some of it almost verbatim which says to me that he's given this speech MANY times. And in my case it went on much longer than the four minutes this video is. He kept just spinning his wheels and saying the same poo poo over and over. After a point I just stopped engaging him because I figured he'd just say what he wanted to say and then talk about something else. My brother kept trying to get him to talk about other poo poo the whole time (to no avail). It was really loving awkward. Everyone was having a fun time hanging out and then CK comes up in conversation and it's just this one guy ranting and three guys like "Oh god, why?". And then when he was done everyone got up and left. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSeJSEnd_64 My advice is to not hang out with comedians after the show (except Ron Funches because he's a super nice laid back dude and if you like weed he can smoke an inhuman amount of it and will share it with you).
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My conclusion: Drake Bell is a piece of poo poo.
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Sep 18, 2021 05:22
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That is one of the most punchable faces I've ever seen.
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My close friend does stand up as a side hustle in London and I've been to plenty of open mic nights and such with her. Male comics in particular are the most fragile, egotistical, overbearing group of people I've ever been around. Not all! But as a rule. The women seem mostly to be way more chill about it. This is amateur and semi-pro only, I don't know how it would translate to people who make their whole living at comedy.
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CPL593H posted:That is one of the most punchable faces I've ever seen. He looks like a fifty year old teacher trying to appear "cool" and "hip" and "with it" with what he assumes is a youthful and stylish haircut.
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edit: I'm stupid you're talking about Drake Bell not Robert Kelly. But yes that haircut is loving awful and he looks ten years older than he actually is. I wonder if his hair is that big for a kind of Batman's cape reason. Like how Batman's cape is to obscure his body when people shoot at him, the hair is intended to give people the wrong target when they go to punch him in the face. Not that there are additional reasons necessary to hate Drake Bell but he's also a transphobic dipshit. CPL593H fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Sep 18, 2021 |
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Sep 18, 2021 20:06
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Peacocking actually makes so more sense if it pretty much only exists to attract literal children.
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This isn't an attempt to excuse his actions or anything, but I wonder if Dan Schneider did anything to him when he was a child making Drake and Josh? Most child predators were themselves victims of child abuse or molestation
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Sep 19, 2021 00:14
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Don't pedophiles make a distinction between girls and boys? I thought Schneider only abused girls.
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Ego-bot posted:Don't pedophiles make a distinction between girls and boys? I thought Schneider only abused girls. I don't think so, they'll have a preference, but they aren't picky.
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Sep 19, 2021 02:08
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I'm fairly certain Jimmy Saville's victims included a bunch of boys too.
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Skwirl posted:This isn't an attempt to excuse his actions or anything, but I wonder if Dan Schneider did anything to him when he was a child making Drake and Josh? Most child predators were themselves victims of child abuse or molestation That is a known phenomenon but I don't think that "most" is accurate. Skwirl posted:I don't think so, they'll have a preference, but they aren't picky. Child predators tend to go after whoever is easiest to exploit regardless of the victim's gender.
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I'm still pretty sure pedophilia is not a compulsion unless you're talking about people with severe mental disabilities and unable to control themselves, but at best a fetish. That said, predators come in different types. Some predators seem to have particular tastes and profiles they go after, while others are more indiscriminate.
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Even if Bell wasn’t personally victimized it’s possible that growing up in an environment where Schneider was doing that kind of thing with no consequences gave him a hosed up sense of right and wrong. Not an excuse, of course.
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He was very likely victimized by virtue of being a child actor. It takes a parent stepping in hard to prevent it and unfortunately, the kind of people who allow their children to go into acting tend to be the kind ready to sacrifice their own children. There are exceptions, of course, but nowhere near as many as you'd loving hope.
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Skwirl posted:This isn't an attempt to excuse his actions or anything, but I wonder if Dan Schneider did anything to him when he was a child making Drake and Josh? Most child predators were themselves victims of child abuse or molestation This is actually a myth. It's estimated about 30% of child predators were abused as children (which is about the same as the national average of 28%). https://www.criminaljustice.ny.gov/nsor/som_mythsandfacts.htm quote:Becker and Murphy (1998) estimated that while 30 percent of sex offenders were sexually abused as children, 70 percent were not. Abusers and harassers know what they're doing is wrong, and they know what lies to tell to garner sympathy and blame their actions on someone else. I believed the myth about abuse in childhood being common in abusive people's lives, but it seems like that only correlates to people who are extremely abusive. Edited to add a fact. catapede fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Sep 19, 2021 |
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