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Fantastic Foreskin posted:A minidisk player, if you'll pay for shipping. I feel like he has to have 60% of the known remaining mini-disk players at this point.
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Fantastic Foreskin posted:A minidisk player, if you'll pay for shipping. As long as it's a Sony MZ-N510 and has the car control kit I'll bite. Deal is null and void if shipped from Japan, cos gently caress their international shipping prices.
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Sep 19, 2021 04:21
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still feel bad I missed minidiscs as a kid. They would've been extremely my jam
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Sep 19, 2021 05:52
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I had a group of friends who were briefly into mini disc, but mini disc never really took off in Australia. It doesn't stop me from admiring one of those portable units every so often
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Sep 19, 2021 07:20
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I considered a minidisc player at the time my first cd walkman died, but for about half the price I could get another portable cd player that did mp3 playback from burnt discs with a big chunk of anti-skip protection and fairly crazy battery life It was still tempting till I realised I would still be buying albums on cd or pirating poo poo only to have to gently caress around transfering them to minidiscs anyway Then over the next year or two mp3 players went from horrible and expensive 64mb nuggets to cheap multiple gb monsters and the other formats died out
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Sep 19, 2021 08:40
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Yeah the looming supremacy of the MP3 was the real doom of the Minidisc. In a lot of ways it's a similar story to Blu-Ray. Here comes a new physical format that improves on every aspect of the previous one, but only a few years before a digital-only media format (in that case, streaming) arrives to make all physical media obsolete, no matter how good. Like if someone figured out a way to breed a new kind of super-horse a year before the Model T Ford came out.
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Sep 19, 2021 14:08
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I was dumb and went from a 32MB MP3 Player from Tandy to the above mentioned MD Recorder. In truth I DID use it a heck of a lot as a field recorder. But also hoarded a lot of happy hardcore.
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Sep 19, 2021 14:13
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Seeing him show off those MD players makes me wish I had one. That blue/green one he keeps obsessing over looks amazing. At the time I had only ever seen one minidisc player at all until I started watching techmoan. Which is a shame because it seems like it's a much cooler concept than cd players. Looks like you don't really need to be precious with the discs, and they are small so you can carry a bunch. I guess it never took off in the US because you could get cheap CD players, and a lot of people would have CD burners as well. And it seems like you either needed a clunky MD recorder, or have two devices, one to record music and one to play it. Then when it was cheap enough, cds were still even cheaper, and people had mp3 players. Would have been cool to have one of those tiny players though. While watching the video, I was thinking that you could use those things as props in a retro future sci Fi movie, and no one would realize they were real things.
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Sep 19, 2021 15:32
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Minidisc failed because it was full of DRM bullshit and because it didn't include a way to use them for data. It could have cleaned up in the post-floppy era when CD-R drives were still expensive (and prone to making coasters) and people were trying things like ZIP, Jazz, and LS120 drives to fill the gap. If there had been a standard way of storing a few hundred MB on a minidisc then they could have eaten into the early USB stick market, and been used instead of CDs to play MP3s from.
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Sep 19, 2021 16:49
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It really died because of Sony's obsession with proprietary formats and DRM (before DRM was even a term).
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Sep 19, 2021 17:11
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:It really died because of Sony's obsession with proprietary formats and DRM (before DRM was even a term). The only DRM you'll ever need: 
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What's the top speed of the Ordos Raider Trike?
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Imagined posted:Yeah the looming supremacy of the MP3 was the real doom of the Minidisc. In a lot of ways it's a similar story to Blu-Ray. Here comes a new physical format that improves on every aspect of the previous one, but only a few years before a digital-only media format (in that case, streaming) arrives to make all physical media obsolete, no matter how good. Like if someone figured out a way to breed a new kind of super-horse a year before the Model T Ford came out.
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old bean factory posted:What's the top speed of the Ordos Raider Trike? I was so fortunate to be able to play Dune 2 back in the day. What a great RTS! I think I can still find my Dune 2000 CD, somewhere in my attic...
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Sep 19, 2021 19:01
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Nocheez posted:I was so fortunate to be able to play Dune 2 back in the day. What a great RTS! Yeah I have some good memories of playing the Amiga version as a lad. I was one of the Dune 2000 buyers as well, I thought it was great.
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I can still hear the midi music in my head. Was it the game that basically created the genre as we know it?
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Sep 19, 2021 19:28
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Sigh. My grandfather is a complicated man - a bit of tyrant who drank too much as a father; he was a army trained building engineer just after the war. When the army felt they'd gotten enough use out of him, he moved ot teach at a community college. They were a bit ambivalent about these new "computer" things in the 50s, and asked the new guy to take a look. He ended up teaching "computer engineering" until he retired in the mid 90s. He's currently 96 and in a care home, and my grandmother has just moved to a smaller apartment. As for why this is thread relevant: I just found out my dad and my uncle and aunt have been cleaning out their villa to sell it, and threw out his BBC Model B, and everything he'd kept from his teaching days - so a large collection of books and floppies and accessories. I assume it was therapautic for my uncle (who did that room), but 
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Sweevo posted:Minidisc failed because it was full of DRM bullshit and because it didn't include a way to use them for data. It could have cleaned up in the post-floppy era when CD-R drives were still expensive (and prone to making coasters) and people were trying things like ZIP, Jazz, and LS120 drives to fill the gap. If there had been a standard way of storing a few hundred MB on a minidisc then they could have eaten into the early USB stick market, and been used instead of CDs to play MP3s from. Apparently they did make a data drive : http://www.minidisc.org/minidisc_faq.html#_q12 ..and even a ThinkPad MD module! I had no idea this existed - I was just looking up about NetMD to see if that could do arbitrary data (it can't), and this showed up  140MB a disk, although there was a higher capacity version which was incompatible, because of course it was. Presumably it was all horribly expensive as well as slow, and too late?
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GWBBQ posted:I remember my first mp3 player. 32MB of internal storage and a Smart Media card slot. I think I had the 128MB card because Radio Shack kept the prized 256MB ones behind the counter but had no security cameras. Between the player, Limewire (no I didn't use Kazaa or post-Metallica Napster like the unwashed masses), and the tape deck adapter in my Buick Century, I was driving to school in style. SmartMedia is so old it topped out at 128 MB
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Mister Kingdom posted:Techmoan might have a problem. I got so excited at that black-and-white one he ended up choosing as the best, that design looks so good! O can't get over that one. I loved both of these videos, btw. I just missed out on MiniDisc, the only person I knew who had one was my cousin who I only saw once or twice a year, it seemed like some strange bit of technology from an alternate universe. I went right from a CD player to a Creative Nomad Jukebox Zen Xtra.
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GWBBQ posted:Limewire (no I didn't use Kazaa or post-Metallica Napster like the unwashed masses) I never used OG Napster. My piratical career started on BearShare, quickly moved to Limewire, then ended up on Gnucleus for a time until BitTorrent finally took off and was better in every way. I wonder if anyone out there is still using good old-fashioned gnutella p2p. There's got to be someone out there still accidentally sharing the entire hard drive of their XP box.
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Powered Descent posted:I never used OG Napster. My piratical career started on BearShare, quickly moved to Limewire, then ended up on Gnucleus for a time until BitTorrent finally took off and was better in every way. There was one school library computer that we managed to hide Napster on and if you knew how to find which one, and where the program was hidden, you were king. Me, I mainly downloaded porn from my mums government computer, wonder if she got any meetings with IT over her lust for big titted lesbians.
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For me, if you want to go to the very start, my first forays into pirating was with PC games on floppies, a fresh box of 10 was mandatory whenever visiting friends and relatives. Then CD-ROM games started becoming a thing, and we would swap various CD-Rs full of games and music etc., and later we all got CD burners so we could copy them or make our own. Napster was big around when I was the 8th grade, and of course we put it on our classroom PC. I never really got into Kazaa and DC and all of the other P2P programs, at that point I had better hookups through IRC anyway. Now I manage all the incoming promo albums for a metal/rock review site and listen to new music that way, much easier  And as an adult with a job, pirating games just isn't particularly alluring anymore.
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Code Jockey posted:still feel bad I missed minidiscs as a kid. They would've been extremely my jam I recently bought a cassette deck. Nothing's too late. Last night I hooked it up to my PC and listened to local radio and recorded songs I liked. His Divine Shadow has a new favorite as of 11:52 on Sep 20, 2021 |
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Sep 20, 2021 11:47
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My first misadventure in computing...  
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My original foray into piracy was when I was stuck in the world of Macs, so options were limited. I used Hotline, which took a long time to navigate to find open servers that allowed downloading without uploading something. On the odd occasion I tried uploading something to be "good" I usually got booted because the host didn't want what I was trying to share. So much easier just to pay for poo poo and have it.
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Explosionface posted:So much easier just to pay for poo poo and have it. This policy, or rather the reverse of it, has allowed me to not never have subscribed to a single streaming service in my life tho.
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KozmoNaut posted:For me, if you want to go to the very start, my first forays into pirating was with PC games on floppies, a fresh box of 10 was mandatory whenever visiting friends and relatives. We just had a mate whose dad travelled to south east asia for work and brought back all the games we wanted on CD-Rs To which we then pooled our carwashing money to buy a group CD Burner and at $15 a pop for black discs sell pirated copies at school for $30. I specifically remember kids wanting the first Rainbow 6 and my mate thinking it was some Anime and I had to show him the size of the Tom Clacy novel. I think we even had out own 'release group' type ANSI logo but I have no digital record of it. Humphreys has a new favorite as of 13:41 on Sep 20, 2021 |
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Sep 20, 2021 13:14
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Now I've spent the morning nostalgically watching old C64 crack intros.
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What, did nobody else try to pirate stuff from FTP servers (found through mIRC channels) with incredibly high upload/download ratio requirements?
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KozmoNaut posted:I never really got into Kazaa and DC and all of the other P2P programs, at that point I had better hookups through IRC anyway. My first brush with piracy came courtesy of Kazaa. Someone installed it on one of the art department's computers, so I took to downloading as much late 90s/early 00s rap as I could. Every once in a while, the computer janitors would stumble across it and uninstall it. My next foray would involve torrents. I was pretty proud of my ratio on Underground Gamers (R.I.P.). Found lots of SNES and Genesis roms that way.
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I still use Soulseek and DC++ for MP3s and comics/ebooks, respectively, on a near-daily basis. Torrents are less than ideal for multiple small files of only niche interest, especially ones that you'll probably want to immediately rename / reorganize.
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Trabant posted:What, did nobody else try to pirate stuff from FTP servers (found through mIRC channels) with incredibly high upload/download ratio requirements?  Nothing like trying to upload a bunch of crap over dialup to be able to then download something you wanted from some FTP server with an insane 1:1 ratio.
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Explosionface posted:My original foray into piracy was when I was stuck in the world of Macs, so options were limited. I used Hotline, which took a long time to navigate to find open servers that allowed downloading without uploading something. On the odd occasion I tried uploading something to be "good" I usually got booted because the host didn't want what I was trying to share. Hotline eventually opened up to windows. Carracho was much better and stayed mac only. I was a sophomore in college in 2001, and distinctly remember waking up early to check a download and getting a message from the admin of whatever carracho server I was using to turn on CNN on 9/11.
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I also remember hotline, though I used windows but got introduced to it via macs.Trabant posted:What, did nobody else try to pirate stuff from FTP servers (found through mIRC channels) with incredibly high upload/download ratio requirements? I remember downloading the duke nukem 3d demo to my computer (486SX 33mhz) and it failign with a few percent left, on a 33.6k modem and download resumption was not a thing in those days. Oh and we had to pay per minute we where online, no flatrate anything here when it came to phones.
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Dick Trauma posted:My first misadventure in computing... This worked for almost everything: 
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Nocheez posted:I can still hear the midi music in my head. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOemQuy2JUc
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Ooh, definitely watching that after I get done having a needle shoved in my lower back in a half hour. Don't get permanent joint damage. It sucks.
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Nocheez posted:Ooh, definitely watching that after I get done having a needle shoved in my lower back in a half hour. OOF, you getting steroid injections or a spinal tap? Either way no thanks...I too suffer herniated discs and it's a nightmare I wish upon few.
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My first encounter with piracy was a crack disk I got from somewhere to remove the DRM on software I already owned, like the original Wing Commander, such a hassle to dig out the manual every time.
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