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Kurzon posted:The duel felt so cliché. Paul runs into some Injuns in the desert, they think he's a pussy, so to earn their respect he must beat one of them in a duel. Someone here pointed out that Dune plays like a Young Adult novel and...it's kinda true.
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porfiria posted:Someone here pointed out that Dune plays like a Young Adult novel and...it's kinda true. Kurzon fucked around with this message at 08:50 on Sep 20, 2021 |
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Sep 20, 2021 08:32
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Drone posted:Part of the allure of Dune is that this universe-spanning society 8000 years from now is utterly alien in how it functions, stop trying to inject weird 21st century concepts like "b-but you can't live without computer!" into it. This guy gets it
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Sep 20, 2021 09:04
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Or maybe you could just roll with the retro-futuristic vision that Frank Herbert had. You could have starships that are all mechanically analog with Mentant pilots regulating everything.
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Sep 20, 2021 10:30
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Kurzon posted:The duel felt so cliché. Paul runs into some Injuns in the desert, they think he's a pussy, so to earn their respect he must beat one of them in a duel. The duel is an execution. Thanks to his visions, Paul already knows he will kill the guy. Up to that point, he thought he could avoid the vision setting him on the path of becoming Space Hitler, but when Jamis just doesn't want to quit and threatens his mother, he gives in and becomes the killer with blood on his hand he saw in his visions. Quite poetic, really. Sometimes clichés are a good thing!
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Sep 20, 2021 11:37
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Dune is clearly playing with "mighty whitey"/"white savior" tropes with the twist that nobody actually knows what they're doing and it all ends in planetary genocide. Which uh is a kind of important difference.
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Sep 20, 2021 12:24
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So is Feyd actually not in this thing?Kurzon posted:And there aren't very many Amish around, aren't there? It's not exactly a very popular way of life, is it? So naive… https://www.patheos.com/blogs/thefreethinker/2019/08/watch-out-america-the-amish-are-taking-over-slowly-but-surely/ quote:DUE in part to their opposition to modern birth control and the value they place on fertility, the Amish are one of the fastest growing populations in the world – and new research indicates that in 215 years, their numbers could be greater than the current population of the United States (327.2 million) The Amish are coming for you.
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Sep 20, 2021 13:19
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Drunkboxer posted:So is Feyd actually not in this thing? Feyd isn't, no. I don't remember if he appeared late in the books or if Villeneuve's merged his character with Rabban but to me Batista was the stand-in for Feyd here.
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Sep 20, 2021 13:23
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Drunkboxer posted:So is Feyd actually not in this thing? I embrace it. gently caress zippers.
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Sep 20, 2021 13:34
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It occurred to me recently that if you want to make accusations of white saviorhood, the Pardot-Liet storyline is probably a better target. In light of which the casting of Liet for the film is an even better choice.
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Sep 20, 2021 13:38
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Baron von Eevl posted:Thou shalt not make a computer in the likeness of a human mind, nor one that can support a serial bus that can be used for keyboards, mice, and printers all universally. Live footage from the Butlerian Jihad in progress- https://youtu.be/_YfjMZ6n8Bk
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Sep 20, 2021 14:16
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flashy_mcflash posted:Feyd isn't, no. I don't remember if he appeared late in the books or if Villeneuve's merged his character with Rabban but to me Batista was the stand-in for Feyd here. My guess is they will introduce Feyd in the second movie, maybe with the gladiator scene. But there is absolutely no mention or hint of him in this one so it's also possible it's going to be just Rabban, especially considering how Piter's role is downplayed too.
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Sep 20, 2021 16:13
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I can't find an exact quote but apparently Villeneuve has said that Feyd, lovely Feyd, would be in the sequel. And Dune's current box office receipts are higher than anticipated so maybe that sequel might actually happen!
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Libluini posted:The duel is an execution. Thanks to his visions, Paul already knows he will kill the guy. Up to that point, he thought he could avoid the vision setting him on the path of becoming Space Hitler, but when Jamis just doesn't want to quit and threatens his mother, he gives in and becomes the killer with blood on his hand he saw in his visions. Quite poetic, really.
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Sep 20, 2021 17:57
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Thinking about what this movie picks up from the Lynch version that isn't from the books, the Baron flying around with his floaters is a Lynch thing, isn't it? In the book he has them to make him lighter, but I don't remember him straight-up hovering in midair at any point.
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Sep 20, 2021 18:14
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Kurzon posted:The duel felt so cliché. Paul runs into some Injuns in the desert, they think he's a pussy, so to earn their respect he must beat one of them in a duel. Most of Dune is cliches that are just recontextualized enough.
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Sep 20, 2021 18:18
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Forktoss posted:Thinking about what this movie picks up from the Lynch version that isn't from the books, the Baron flying around with his floaters is a Lynch thing, isn't it? In the book he has them to make him lighter, but I don't remember him straight-up hovering in midair at any point. Well, kinda. The Baron fell back. His eyes bulged as he stared at a red slash on his left palm. "You... you...." He rolled sideways in his suspensors, a sagging mass of flesh supported inches off the floor with head lolling and mouth hanging open.
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Sep 20, 2021 18:22
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Forktoss posted:Thinking about what this movie picks up from the Lynch version that isn't from the books, the Baron flying around with his floaters is a Lynch thing, isn't it? In the book he has them to make him lighter, but I don't remember him straight-up hovering in midair at any point.
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Sep 20, 2021 18:25
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Schwarzwald posted:Everything is cliches that are just recontextualized enough.
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Sep 20, 2021 18:28
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No Mods No Masters posted:Well, kinda. Oh that's right, thanks. I guess making floating his main way of moving around is still a Lynch nod, though
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Sep 20, 2021 18:34
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Forktoss posted:Thinking about what this movie picks up from the Lynch version that isn't from the books, the Baron flying around with his floaters is a Lynch thing, isn't it? In the book he has them to make him lighter, but I don't remember him straight-up hovering in midair at any point. That’s good, I know some things are trimmed in any adaptation but cutting Feyd seemed like a weird choice.
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Sep 20, 2021 19:39
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Gargamel Gibson posted:That Jamis guy was such an idiot. I bet he felt like a total dipshit when he died. Have they stated what will be in the first movie? I feel like this could be where the two are cut. Paul kills Jamis....is given the name Usul and Maud'Dib....and then embraced by each member of the troop. Thoughts? Seems like it would be a natural pivot point.
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Sep 21, 2021 04:25
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Libluini posted:The duel is an execution. Thanks to his visions, Paul already knows he will kill the guy. Up to that point, he thought he could avoid the vision setting him on the path of becoming Space Hitler, but when Jamis just doesn't want to quit and threatens his mother, he gives in and becomes the killer with blood on his hand he saw in his visions. Quite poetic, really. Actually....Paul's visions were many....and many of those showed him dying beneath a blade. He had no knowledge of defeating Jamis as the duel began. In fact....I believe he thought that this was where he would die. But he soon realized that the cave they were in blocked out his future visions.
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Re: Paul's vision (movie spoilers) One of the many visions in the Villeneuve movie has Jamis being shown as a friend to Paul, and the duel visions has Jamis stabbing Paul and him bleeding out with VO saying he must die to be reborn again. The visions are either a way to show Paul a future that he can change, or he is trying to defy his own fate not a book reader btw
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Sep 21, 2021 05:07
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RestingB1tchFace posted:Have they stated what will be in the first movie? I feel like this could be where the two are cut. Paul kills Jamis....is given the name Usul and Maud'Dib....and then embraced by each member of the troop. The movie ends just after that fight.
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Kill All Cops posted:Re: Paul's vision (movie spoilers) One of the many visions in the Villeneuve movie has Jamis being shown as a friend to Paul, and the duel visions has Jamis stabbing Paul and him bleeding out with VO saying he must die to be reborn again. The visions are either a way to show Paul a future that he can change, or he is trying to defy his own fate not a book reader btw I think that vision is purely metaphorical for him - his noble prince self dies when he accepts Freemen tradition and kills in the duel
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Sep 21, 2021 09:33
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fatherboxx posted:I think that vision is purely metaphorical for him - his noble prince self dies when he accepts Freemen tradition and kills in the duel I might be wrong but I think in a vision Janis says something like "I will teach you the ways of the Fremen", which is technically true. I liked how it leant into the Greek epic prophecy style of vision. I'm sure that that opening voiceover must have been edited after the events in Afghanistan, it was so on the nose.
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Sep 21, 2021 10:58
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pointsofdata posted:I might be wrong but I think in a vision Janis says something like "I will teach you the ways of the Fremen", which is technically true. I liked how it leant into the Greek epic prophecy style of vision. I know, right?  Though the baron bathing in what looks like crude oil was almost a bit too much.
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Sep 21, 2021 11:48
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Did they? It still said who will be our next oppressors here.
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Sep 21, 2021 11:58
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pointsofdata posted:I'm sure that that opening voiceover must have been edited after the events in Afghanistan, it was so on the nose.
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Sep 21, 2021 12:05
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I don't want to get all politics but it's like "we weren't able to oust our oppressors but then by imperial decree they left"
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Sep 21, 2021 12:10
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Does Villeneuve hate light and color? Dune looks a lot like Sicario and Blade Runner 2049.
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Sep 21, 2021 12:25
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Kurzon posted:Does Villeneuve hate light and color? Dune looks a lot like Sicario and Blade Runner 2049. In the same way that Caravaggio hates light and colour. Perhaps you'd prefer a blue robot fighting an orange robot
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Sep 21, 2021 12:27
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Dune looks great, it has some incredible scenes. The use of lighting is excellent. One still that stick with me is when the bene Gesserit are getting off the space ship near the start and lit via the fog.
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Sep 21, 2021 12:39
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Kurzon posted:Does Villeneuve hate light and color? Dune looks a lot like Sicario and Blade Runner 2049. 
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Sep 21, 2021 12:45
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There were definitely two or three scenes that could have been better lit. For example, in the dining room scene the bull trophy looks like it was shot with a phone camera in a poorly lit room.
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Sep 21, 2021 12:52
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I think the movie looked gorgeous on the whole, but some of the night-time scenes in the desert were a bit hard to watch due to the darkness and the washed-out colours.
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Sep 21, 2021 14:08
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I'm fascinated by the upside down human sacrifices. Was that in the book?
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Sep 21, 2021 14:21
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No, and neither was the man-spider.
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Both were A+ additions, very much in the lynchian spirit
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