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I don't think Demon Form is bad but it can be pretty hard to get into play safely. Insanely good with Snecko Eye, but definitely still playable without.
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It's good in boss fights and sucks in about 90% of the other fights. But yeah, it rules with Snecko.
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Sep 21, 2021 02:19
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Give me rupture over demon form any day of the week. And then give me no self damage cards, not even a curse 
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Sep 21, 2021 04:27
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All the Form cards are a little bit ridiculous. Deva Form is the weakest because Watcher already has great energy manipulation and the worst X-spells, but it's still a run-changing card.
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Sep 21, 2021 10:38
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I will absolutely always pick Demon Form unless I'm doing some gimmick like a thin Searing Blow deck. It singlehandedly wins you the fight against any boss and some elites like Head. If I'm going for the Heart it's especially a no-brainer. I will think long and hard before picking up a second one, however, unless I have Snecko Eye or a shitton of strength-scaling cards.
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Sep 21, 2021 12:20
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What about 3 headbutts and a spot weakness+?
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I'm getting drat close in A19 Silent after watching that 3 hour jorbs explainer from 2-3 years ago. Interesting to see the (few) tweaks that have happened to the cards since then. But Book of Stabbing and Gremlin Leader haven't ended my run since. I'm better about building my deck contextually, but the biggest difference is being more aggressive about taking upgrades at fireplaces vs. HP, making the Act 1 elites far more survivable. teethgrinder fucked around with this message at 15:06 on Sep 21, 2021 |
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Sep 21, 2021 15:03
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I think Demon Form is a fine card to pick up in Act 1/2. Its scaling wins you boss fights. I think it is too slow for most elite fights. Dyz posted:What about 3 headbutts and a spot weakness+? Head's in the right place butt I don't think that'd be as good. I'd prefer a Limit Break+ and any type of strength gain, either Enflame or just starting relic strength.
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Sep 21, 2021 15:23
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^^^^^^^^^Agreed. Demon form is an incredibly specialized card. For 90% of fights it's basically a curse, but in those 10% it's an all star play maker for the hardest fights in the game.
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Let's have a hypothetical discussion based off my latest run. A20 Ironclad. You took 18 damage for a Rare card offer. Juggernaut, Corruption, Bludgeon. Which? Bludgeon seems like the obvious pick here since it gets you through Act 1, but it's not a great card.
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I'd guess it depends on your pathing. If you can find a path through Act 1 that seems like it's not too hard and still has a good amount of elites, I'd strongly consider Corruption. I'd never take Juggernaut there.
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Sep 21, 2021 19:03
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SKULL.GIF posted:Let's have a hypothetical discussion based off my latest run. You can't really make a good choice in a vacuum. What is the rest of your deck, where are you in the game, what are your relics, etc.
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Sep 21, 2021 19:21
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I'd take Bludgeon no question. After you upgrade it you don't really need much more in the way of damage for Act 1 so you can skip the attack commons and start making a good deck for Act 2. It lets you path more aggressively so that's more potions, gold, card choices and relics. Corruption is crap with only defends in your deck and you can't start adding many skills until you get more damage so it's going to be penalizing you for an entire act at least.
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WrightOfWay posted:You can't really make a good choice in a vacuum. What is the rest of your deck, where are you in the game, what are your relics, etc. It's 18 damage for a card so this is at Neow, or as close to a vaccuum as you can get. I'd take Bludgeon for sure. Corruption I might be able to turn into a game-winning setup later on, Bludgeon will let me solve Elites now. I value the snowball of being able to route in elites and campfire upgrades more than the later potential of what's basically a Curse up front.
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just picked this up over the weekend and playing it like crazy. any thread recommended guides / resources?
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Rosalie_A posted:It's 18 damage for a card so this is at Neow, or as close to a vaccuum as you can get. Oh, I misunderstood the situation. Yeah, I'd take Bludgeon. Corruption is basically a curse at the start and Juggernaut really needs a decent block engine you don't have on floor 1.
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SKULL.GIF posted:Let's have a hypothetical discussion based off my latest run. Bludgeon. Then grab some havocs and a dual wield if you can find it
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I guess another question is who's the boss? Because if it's guardian then I could see picking up Juggernaut but it's still a curse till the end of the act. Other than that, it's basically auto pick bludgeon. Even if it's difficult to scale (you generally need 4 energy to work a double tap/thunderclap combo) it will absolutely carry you through the first act especially when upgraded. Give 0 energy or energy positive cards an extra bit of priority (except rage), maybe grab a headbutt to reliably draw it a bit more often. As an aside, I am beginning to appreciate headbutt as an early game pick up more and more. Many Act 1's are defined by a handful of cards that carry you through so much, and headbutt can double that Carnage+ or flame that is really doing all the work. Edit: it also does ok in later acts to grab you the cards you need.
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I will say tht even though I think demon form is fairly weak in general, pairing it with reaper is incredibly fun and good
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 Finally beat ascension 20 with a non-degenerate deck! Though, that time I got lucky because I went with "first 3 enemies have 1 HP" and I got 2 elites with it, followed by 2 more elites in act 1. This deck also used discard synergies! I had sneaky strike, and later eviscerate for free damage, and Reflex+ with all my card draw and discard meant I always had the right hand for the turn. Even so, I wouldn't have beaten the time eater if I didn't have Wraith Form from enchiridion, which was the only time it was useful.
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I generally don't think Juggernaut is very good. It can do ok with a corruption/feel no pain combo, but if you already have that you don't care where your damage comes from. Bludgeon is the obvious pick, although corruption is a good enough card that it might be worth playing conservatively act 1 just to make sure you have it. Eventually you will be glad you took it, you just have to survive until then.
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Sep 21, 2021 21:45
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mark immune posted:just picked this up over the weekend and playing it like crazy. any thread recommended guides / resources? Here's a beginner guide written by Baalorlord, one of the strongest streamers: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LzL_gnXrDsK8cFfkGEQmJncnlPVZZsqxoRZShZssicw/edit Baalorlord, Jorbs, Lifecoach, and TerrenceMHS are probably the strongest players of who stream, and they all have at least a little bit of stuff on youtube, so look for their vods on Twitch and youtube.
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I really really don't vibe with Jorbs. Baalor's good.
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Yeah, he's polarizing. I actually dislike him too, but a lot of people do like him, so I thought I'd throw it out there.
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Jorbs is a low-key sweetheart, but he has a very dry sense of humor and he sets firm boundaries between himself and the chat channel, both of which rub some people the wrong way.
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I downloaded some custom chars The Hermit - could be an official 5th char with some cleaning up. Amazing mechanic of cards that become more powerful if they’re in the middle of your hand and a very strong theme, but probably way too easy once you get used to him like the Watcher. The Hierophant - why did people recommend this bullshit, like 20 new mechanics and why is every card yellow and who has time for this garbage The Bug Knight - haven’t played him but apparently the mod infects any run you do with the new elites and relics so that was a surprise to fight some giant bug instead of Gremlin Nob. Actually a cool fight - uses next turn block, summons pillbugs periodically and then hibernates after a while with barricade to regain health if you don’t kill him fast enough Ok, fine, back to grinding ascension 
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Ratios and Tendency posted:I really really don't vibe with Jorbs. Baalor's good. I prefer Baalor's personality as well, but Jorbs overexplained runs are a must watch if you want to put some time into learning about how to get better.
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Most recent Silent run was pretty mediocre, the RNG kept giving me mediocre card picks so I had way less Block than I probably should have by the time the Champ murdered me and also gave me jack poo poo in the way of either shiv related cards or poison ones so I couldn't really specialize in either direction so my overall damage output was bad as well Also I ended up with lots of potions and relics(many of which were pretty mediocre though) but thanks to the layouts I didn't end up at a shop once that run either
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Patrick Spens posted:I prefer Baalor's personality as well, but Jorbs overexplained runs are a must watch if you want to put some time into learning about how to get better. If I want overexplanation I'll watch Lifecoach. Not only does Coach understand the first principles better than Jorbs, he is also willing to talk about them and is a lot more fun to watch. While I appreciate that Jorbs has done this a lot and is heartily sick of it, because of the change it's brought about in his attitude he is nowhere near as good a streamer now as he was before it became his full time job. E: on the subject of Lifecoach, he set a new WR Ironclad streak yesterday and is currently at 15 wins in a row with an overall 84% win rate after 38 games. Jedit fucked around with this message at 11:11 on Sep 22, 2021 |
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Sep 22, 2021 09:39
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I forget, what's the highest ascension where people can realistically have a 100% winrate? Was that possible at 15? I know every run is technically winnable
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A Moose posted:I forget, what's the highest ascension where people can realistically have a 100% winrate? Was that possible at 15? I know every run is technically winnable Not every run is technically winnable. It's possible, if unlikely, for the game to give a layout where Silent cannot avoid fighting Lagavulin on floor 6 and is not offered any damage improvements on the first five floors. A15 is technically 100% winnable, though. It's where the endgame was originally balanced.
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I would be amazed if watcher didn't have an effective 100% winrate on A15. Hell, if a really good player said they could win >99.9% on A19 watcher I'd believe them.
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the holy poopacy posted:I would be amazed if watcher didn't have an effective 100% winrate on A15. Hell, if a really good player said they could win >99.9% on A19 watcher I'd believe them. Lifecoach has a 94% win rate on A20 Watcher including an open streak of 18 wins. I don't doubt that he's close to 99% adjusted for learning.
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I have to give lifecoach credit for having a sense of humor about himself. One time when I watched his stram he talked about Sundial saying "I will not optimize Sundial. If I try to get Sundial on the right number after every fight, my runs will take 5 hours... oh wait they already take 5 hours!"
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KonvexKonkav posted:I have to give lifecoach credit for having a sense of humor about himself. One time when I watched his stram he talked about Sundial saying "I will not optimize Sundial. If I try to get Sundial on the right number after every fight, my runs will take 5 hours... oh wait they already take 5 hours!" My favorite life coach moment was when he enters a shop and sees a pen nib. There's some sort of kerfuffle in chat asking him to buy something else, to which he begins excitedly explaining that he already has bludgeon and the two work very well together. Chat disagrees, so he snatches the pen nib anyway. A little bit later he faces laghagulin and lines up a perfect nib + vulnerable shot, all the time taunting chat with " Oh? Don't get pen nib! X was better! Pen nib sucks?" Before swinging both his hands down like an axe handle screaming "WHAPOM! 126 DAMAGE!" And laughing the whole thing off.
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Shamelessly stolen from Reddit
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Cpt_Obvious posted:My favorite life coach moment was when he enters a shop and sees a pen nib. There's some sort of kerfuffle in chat asking him to buy something else, to which he begins excitedly explaining that he already has bludgeon and the two work very well together. Chat disagrees, so he snatches the pen nib anyway. A little bit later he faces laghagulin and lines up a perfect nib + vulnerable shot, all the time taunting chat with " Oh? Don't get pen nib! X was better! Pen nib sucks?" Before swinging both his hands down like an axe handle screaming Jordan-coach: Chat disagreed with me, and I took that personally.
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Jedit posted:Not every run is technically winnable. It's possible, if unlikely, for the game to give a layout where Silent cannot avoid fighting Lagavulin on floor 6 and is not offered any damage improvements on the first five floors. after I asked I remembered this article exists https://forgottenarbiter.github.io/Is-Every-Seed-Winnable/ I think I got this from this thread, but in short, it is probably possible that an unwinnable seed does exist, but a computer was not able to find one in where the silent has to: -fight an elite -on floor six -with no additional sources of damage -and a useless neow bonus, -on ascension 20 out of a few billion seeds. it only theoretically exists. So pretty much every run is winnable, though you might have to do some illogical or unintuitive things to win A Moose fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Sep 22, 2021 |
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Jedit posted:
I guess 16 now. barely survived with a good shrug it off into ghostly armor on Lagavulin, had 1 hp at the end of the fight. Proceeds to get corruption, bottled lightning, and dead branch later in the run lol
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That article is out of date, a few months ago Baalor played a silent seed that was unwinnable on A20.
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