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You do see it in the harvester scene.
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You see the mouth but never the full worm until the end.
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Sep 22, 2021 22:45
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Is this musical cue https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g18jFHCLXk&t=125s somewhere on the soundtrack or was it written specifically for the trailer?
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Sep 23, 2021 01:36
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I'm pretty sure that's trailer music.
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Sep 23, 2021 02:08
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movie was pretty meh they might as well have cut yueh entirely for more zendaya looking over her shoulder jfc
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Sep 23, 2021 02:15
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The Zendaya visions were a bit much but that’s what zero pussy does to a mf
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Sep 23, 2021 06:15
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Hakkesshu posted:The Zendaya visions were a bit much but that’s what zero pussy does to a mf He's 15, give him a minute drat.
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Sep 23, 2021 07:51
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DanTheFryingPan posted:It's not that common now, but going back maybe a decade, a lot of non-US countries would get big US tentpoles like 1-3 months after the US debut. And back in the 80s and 90s it'd sometimes be half a year. In Denmark we got T2 a full five months after the US release.
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Steen71 posted:And back in the 80s and 90s it'd sometimes be half a year. In Denmark we got T2 a full five months after the US release. By which point, the T1000 as a bad guy was already in the public consciousness, fully ruining the T2 "twist" (which had already been ruined by some of the marketing, the GnR video, and the fact that Robert Patrick looks creepy as poo poo). A few years ago I forced my girlfriend to a cinema double bill of The Terminator and T2, and she was actually pretty  at the reveal, which was wild
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Failed Imagineer posted:By which point, the T1000 as a bad guy was already in the public consciousness, fully ruining the T2 "twist" (which had already been ruined by some of the marketing, the GnR video, and the fact that Robert Patrick looks creepy as poo poo). One of the trailers gave it away but man, if you were able to avoid spoilers that was a good twist
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Sep 23, 2021 11:23
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I saw the movie at Imax yesterday. It was fantastic, best scifi I've seen in ages. It was an absolute masterclass in worldbuilding that managed to keep everyone paying close attention. Even my boomer mom knows what the Kwisatz Haderach is now. All the negative review stuff was wrong, such as white savior poo poo. The movie makes it very clear what the relationship is between the Fremen, House Artreides and Paul. He really doesnt come off as a savior to me.
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Sep 23, 2021 12:02
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People claiming white saviour I feel like are deliberately choosing to take away the wrong reading. Not only is it an entirely manufactured prophecy specifically designed to manipulate the Fremen, but Paul's visions show that it's going to end poorly. His mistake is believing he can change that outcome and comes off as arrogant and naïve more than anything because he was taught to believe how special he is. Granted, we don't really see the results of it in this film, but all the warning signs are there.
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Sep 23, 2021 14:02
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I'll say again, if you only show the first half of the book then that looks an awfully lot like an unironic white saviour story. Hell, outside of Paul's internal doubts (not unusual for a white saviour) it's only really in Children of Dune that the reader gets a recap of events since the end of the book 1 that says outright "the Jihad was not a good thing also the Fremen are not happy with the new order of things"
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Sep 23, 2021 14:13
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i want to watch Dunc goddamnit why do you euros get it first that french canadian gently caress is punishing us
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Alchenar posted:I'll say again, if you only show the first half of the book then that looks an awfully lot like an unironic white saviour story. Hell, outside of Paul's internal doubts (not unusual for a white saviour) it's only really in Children of Dune that the reader gets a recap of events since the end of the book 1 that says outright "the Jihad was not a good thing also the Fremen are not happy with the new order of things" He literally calls himself work than Hitler in Messiah
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Alchenar posted:I'll say again, if you only show the first half of the book then that looks an awfully lot like an unironic white saviour story. Hell, outside of Paul's internal doubts (not unusual for a white saviour) it's only really in Children of Dune that the reader gets a recap of events since the end of the book 1 that says outright "the Jihad was not a good thing also the Fremen are not happy with the new order of things" Actually, there are some possibilities presented within the movie how this story could play out - the vision where Paul becomes best friends with Jamis, presumably after gaining his respect after sparing his life. That would be similar to a story where the white outsider is just so drat noble with his pure ideals that the savages have to begrudgingly accept as better than theirs. Instead, Paul is forced to kill Jamis because that's not how it works.
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Jewmanji posted:He literally calls himself work than Hitler in Messiah I mixed up Messiah and Children - regardless, it's the second book where this stuff really comes ou.t
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Hakkesshu posted:People claiming white saviour I feel like are deliberately choosing to take away the wrong reading. Not only is it an entirely manufactured prophecy specifically designed to manipulate the Fremen, but Paul's visions show that it's going to end poorly. His mistake is believing he can change that outcome and comes off as arrogant and naïve more than anything because he was taught to believe how special he is. Granted, we don't really see the results of it in this film, but all the warning signs are there. Not only is the book extremely explicit in how all this loving with Fremen culture by the Bene Gesserit inserting prophesies and 'preparing the way' backfires in spectacular fashion, I'd argue that it actually condemns the 'white savior' trope and reveals it to be massive bullshit; In the end, once the train gets going it takes on a life of its own beyond anyone's control. If anything, Paul is the one who needs saving from the Fremen and what's about to happen. Especially since events are least of all under Paul's control... as we are very clearly being shown, in no uncertain terms, thanks to Paul's absolutely utter and massive freakout in the scene where he can see the great Jihad spread from Arrakis, the Atreides banner held aloft by Fremen as they rampage across the galaxy. The movie takes pains to make this abundantly clear. TLM3101 fucked around with this message at 15:14 on Sep 23, 2021 |
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Sep 23, 2021 15:12
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TLM3101 posted:Not only is the book extremely explicit in how all this loving with Fremen culture by the Bene Gesserit inserting prophesies and 'preparing the way' backfires in spectacular fashion, I'd argue that it actually condemns the 'white savior' trope and reveals it to be massive bullshit; In the end, once the train gets going it takes on a life of its own beyond anyone's control. If anything, Paul is the one who needs saving from the Fremen and what's about to happen. "This is the climax, Paul thought. From here, the future will open, the clouds part onto a kind of glory. And if I die here, they'll say I sacrificed myself that my spirit might lead them. And if I live, they'll say nothing can oppose Muad-Dib." Nothing Paul does matters because the Fremen will twist anything that happens to match their religious beliefs. The Jihad is completely unavoidable; the supposed 'white savior' really is just an excuse to start it.
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Sep 23, 2021 16:37
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What Paul ultimately represents is access to the reigns of established power through a legitimate claim to the imperial throne and a matching upbringing, pedigree, and education. Also professional military training that is actually massively better than that available to the imperial elite forces for their insurgency. And the nukes were very helpful.
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The Bene Gesserit plan backfires because Lady Jessica democratizes kung fu.
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Sep 23, 2021 22:02
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Weirding modules made them equal
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Hakkesshu posted:People claiming white saviour I feel like are deliberately choosing to take away the wrong reading. Not much is free of recreational outrage these days. TheMadMilkman posted:
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Sep 24, 2021 13:27
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Alan Smithee posted:i want to watch Dunc goddamnit why do you euros get it first Consider it penance for ironic racists jokes on Italians. Just saw it live a few hours ago.  dub is better than our mcu/modern sci-fi standard but gurney/josh brolin VA is different and two octaves higher than usual, providing unintended comedy to that “smile gurney - I’m smiling” line. Highly recommend, esp as cinemas are deserted right now, my showing had six people(me included) so it was a nice experience.
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I might see this again tomorrow with a buddy who hasn't yet. Should I look out for something special on second viewing
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Sep 24, 2021 22:14
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Simply Simon posted:I might see this again tomorrow with a buddy who hasn't yet. Should I look out for something special on second viewing Every time Shadout Mapes is on screen shout out "that's Mapes!"
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Blood Boils posted:Every time Shadout Mapes is on screen shout out "that's Mapes!" listen here buddy, that's the Shadout Mapes  
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Sep 24, 2021 22:42
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I'd just like to give a big Shadout to my girl Mapes
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Sep 24, 2021 22:46
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okay here goes "I think she's gonna choose the fifth one in line! Because that's SHADOUT MAPES" "He saved someone from the Hunter-Killer, that's right - SHADOUT MAPES" "who's that corpse? oh boy - it was SHADOUT MAPES" fin
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Sep 24, 2021 22:57
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need some shadout mapes looking over shoulder visions maker
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Sep 24, 2021 23:16
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The most powerful scene in Dune Messiah is when the Fremen are attacking an Earth-like world and are just totally blown away by the amount of water and the realization that their culture is gone forever.
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Shadout Mapes sounds like a late Genesis Sonic the Hedgehog character. Help me settle an argument. How does the Baron survive the dinner scene? Some guy in a group chat says he saw his shield break
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Spermando posted:Shadout Mapes sounds like a late Genesis Sonic the Hedgehog character. It's not outright shown, but the implication is that the shield takes some of the brunt of it, and then his repulsors kick in to float him out of reach of the rest of it. Which leads to the fantastic, creepy scene where the Harkonnen troops finding him curled up and gasping on the ceiling, like some weird, alien creature.
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I loved it. Really liked the books (up to a point lol) and I am middle eastern so I always liked that part of it. I have to say I always had the impression that Herbert’s stance on like, colonialism and ME culture was VERY well researched especially for a book in the 60s. Like I see why people want to have the reading of “white boy saves Arabs” but I know where he’s going with this I’ve watched 1984 dune and the miniseries and this is the first time I thought what was onscreen didn’t just match my feeling of what I thought the books looked like it elevated it
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:I loved it. Really liked the books (up to a point lol) and I am middle eastern so I always liked that part of it. I have to say I always had the impression that Herbert’s stance on like, colonialism and ME culture was VERY well researched especially for a book in the 60s. Like I see why people want to have the reading of “white boy saves Arabs” but I know where he’s going with this My take with Herbert is he believed most strongly that the USSR was evil incarnate and anything that stopped them was an improvement, and while he was probably generally anti-colonialist it was probably mostly directed towards that evil empire. On top of that it's not hard to read from him a respect for Arab people as a noble savage type thing, but that if they ever got an inch of real power they'd kill everyone out of pure unbridled fanaticism What sticks out to me was when Maiden wrote a song about Dune and contacted his estate about using the name, the response was something like "my father hated rock and roll, but the kind of rock and roll he hated most was heavy metal. And of all the heavy metal, the kind he hated the most was Iron Maiden."
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Villeneuve and a lot of the fans treat Dune like something sacred, it's a good genre book, and that's about it. The white saviour thing is warranted...even if having a saviour is a bad thing in the end it seems to me that Paul is very much portrayed as the magic man who has destiny at his fingertips, and his children are also magic superbeings or whatever who inherit his empire by birthright.
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Rabelais D posted:The white saviour thing is warranted...even if having a saviour is a bad thing in the end It's not really a "white savior" story if having a white savior is bad, the whole point of the trope is white people taking over makes things better, that's why it's seen as a problematic storytelling element. It might not be obvious in a movie about the first half of the first book, but uh that's not where Herbert went with it lol sean10mm fucked around with this message at 12:33 on Sep 25, 2021 |
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Sep 25, 2021 12:30
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I disagree that his kids inherit by divine birthright. Leto II literally turns into a worm god and beats the poo poo out of anyone who opposes him, then calls all the leaders of the fremen together to hit him with all of their weapons. Once hes decisively proven they cant resist him he declares himself in charge and thats that. If anyone had the power to stop him they probably would but there is literally not anyway to resist him.
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I actually kind of love that Leto2's whole thing is setting up a generations-long plot to have himself assassinated because he's loving over it and the only way for the universe to go on is if he's not there.
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Baron von Eevl posted:
Well yeah, everyone knows Frank Herbert's first musical love was trap music.
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