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Bold Robot posted:There isn't any real downside to disinheriting other than the renown cost. It's really powerful. Tbf, the renown cost can be pretty rough earlygame. Also you run the risk of your "perfect" heir dying from something random.
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zoux posted:Yeah, it's so powerful I've been avoiding it because it seems like it has to have some major malus. It’s makes the disinherited not like you as much and makes renown perks harder to get I guess
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Sep 21, 2021 20:16
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Broken Cog posted:Tbf, the renown cost can be pretty rough earlygame. Also you run the risk of your "perfect" heir dying from something random. Totally. Disinheriting is really powerful but I think it's decently balanced for the reasons you pointed out.
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Sep 21, 2021 20:18
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Broken Cog posted:Tbf, the renown cost can be pretty rough earlygame. Also you run the risk of your "perfect" heir dying from something random. Well, you can always disdisinherit
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Sep 21, 2021 20:18
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I apparently misunderstood what causes you to game over and what lets you keep playing, because I surrendered to a faction to put my half-sister on the throne right after dying as the father figuring I'd just switch to her. Turns out that no, it's game over. Overall I think I'm having a tougher time of things in this than CK2.
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Sep 21, 2021 21:22
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Male-only title rather than male-preference?
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Sep 21, 2021 21:25
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zoux posted:Male-only title rather than male-preference? Ireland, so should have been male-preference. Plus, would the faction have been able to be created at all with her as the one to take over if that was the law? I already deleted the save, but I believe the "choose a character to continue as" had her heading the petty kingdom.
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Sep 21, 2021 21:33
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Seeing as she's your half sister, you're sure she was part of your dynasty?
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Sep 21, 2021 21:34
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It's certainly possible she wasn't, and I can't check now, but as far as I remember the wives I took didn't have any pre-existing children, and didn't have enough time after the father's death to remarry.
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Sep 21, 2021 21:40
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Red Minjo posted:I apparently misunderstood what causes you to game over and what lets you keep playing, because I surrendered to a faction to put my half-sister on the throne right after dying as the father figuring I'd just switch to her. Turns out that no, it's game over. Overall I think I'm having a tougher time of things in this than CK2. I'm pretty sure if your character gets unlanded for any reason, you get a game over, even if there are fellow dynasts landed out there in the world. As Folques d'Anjou in the 1066 start it's real easy to get unlanded if the Duke of Champagne comes knocking, and even though your heir is your landed brother, you still lose.
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Sep 21, 2021 22:54
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Red Minjo posted:I apparently misunderstood what causes you to game over and what lets you keep playing, because I surrendered to a faction to put my half-sister on the throne right after dying as the father figuring I'd just switch to her. Turns out that no, it's game over. Overall I think I'm having a tougher time of things in this than CK2. IIRC a claimant faction war takes every title they have a claim on. So you probably game-overed due to being unlanded. In general, warfare doesn't cause a succession like that. Like if I lose my titles to someone of the same dynasty I don't suddenly play as them, I have to find a way for them to be my dynastic heir to play as them.
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Sep 21, 2021 22:59
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You should always be able to manually swap to any given character in the world at will in the game menu?
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Sep 22, 2021 02:33
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Not in Ironman
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M_Gargantua posted:You should always be able to manually swap to any given character in the world at will in the game menu? SMH not playing ironman (Kinda wish more mods could work with it tbh, especially since a heap are QoL but disable cheevos) Actually, I wish that a game over would let you continue playing in an Ironman game, just setting it to a non-ironman from that point
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scaterry posted:In other news, there's a dev diary today: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/ck3-dev-diary-74-please-kaiser-can-i-have-some-more.1491791/ More ways for vassals and lieges to interact in a way that isn't seduction or hooks/demands seems reasonable, and can involve councilors too. Definitely feels like they're trying to play up the "medieval court" sim in a way that CK2 didn't really touch on.
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Magil Zeal posted:More ways for vassals and lieges to interact in a way that isn't seduction or hooks/demands seems reasonable, and can involve councilors too. Definitely feels like they're trying to play up the "medieval court" sim in a way that CK2 didn't really touch on. Thats exactly my thing
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I've got an unexpected problem, and I thought I'd ask for advice. I'm playing the Premyslids, and I won the first crusade, putting one of my cousins on the throne. What didn't occur to me at the time was that said cousin would eventually inherit Bohemia due to seniority. Under other circumstances I might not mind so much, but I really don't want to get entangled in the Middle East this game. Besides, I liked having another king in the family. What can I do here? The new king could give away his title to his son, but that seems wrong somehow. Not to mention he's done a good job building up the country--he even took Cairo and Fayyum, and all his vassals are terrified of his 100 dread (Seriously man, what have you been doing?). It wouldn't make much sense for him to give all that up and go back to Bohemia, but I don't see another choice. Plus, the son would eventually also inherit Bohemia, and I'd have to do this dance all over again. Did I mention Jerusalem is also seniority? Jerusalem is also seniority. I suppose I could give the title to a non-family member, but that feels wrong too. I should have considered all this when I joined the crusade, I guess. Any thoughts?
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jwalrus posted:I've got an unexpected problem, and I thought I'd ask for advice. I'm playing the Premyslids, and I won the first crusade, putting one of my cousins on the throne. What didn't occur to me at the time was that said cousin would eventually inherit Bohemia due to seniority. Under other circumstances I might not mind so much, but I really don't want to get entangled in the Middle East this game. Besides, I liked having another king in the family. Are you playing Ironman? Can you give Bohemia to the son and load up as the son?
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Charlz Guybon posted:Are you playing Ironman? Can you give Bohemia to the son and load up as the son? I'm in ironman mode. Forgot to mention that, sorry.
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Sep 23, 2021 02:19
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Can you disinherit him perhaps?
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Masonity posted:Can you disinherit him perhaps? Would that prevent his descendants from inheriting Bohemia again? That's the problem here; every solution I come up with just puts me back to square one. I separate the titles, and eventually they come together again. But I had a thought: Does high crown authority prevent people outside the realm from inheriting? I wonder if that would work; set Bohemia to high authority and then give the crown to his son. I noticed Jerusalem is already high authority, and wondered if that would have any effect.
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Wouldn't it only cause titles to leave your realm? How close to primo or ultimo are you, if you focus them? Maybe that's the solution. Rush primo and make sure Jerusalem goes to a fairly distant dynasty member so it's unlikely the two will ever come back together?
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jwalrus posted:I'm in ironman mode. Forgot to mention that, sorry. Well, have fun playing Jerusalem, it is the will of God. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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jwalrus posted:Would that prevent his descendants from inheriting Bohemia again? That's the problem here; every solution I come up with just puts me back to square one. I separate the titles, and eventually they come together again. You could go absolute CA and designate heir. That would ensure your titles pass downwards rather than laterally
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Sep 23, 2021 16:55
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Shook off them haters again fellas
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zoux posted:Shook off them haters again fellas ah yes, nothing more stress-relieving than executing a bunch of '''rivals''' you have locked up in your dungeon
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zoux posted:Shook off them haters again fellas You know, having met 12 year olds, I can sympathize with declaring them your rivals
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scaterry posted:ah yes, nothing more stress-relieving than executing a bunch of '''rivals''' you have locked up in your dungeon I have no idea where he came from, I'd never seen him before, because I am the 54 year old potentate of unarguably the strongest nation on the face of the earth and he is a 12 year old boy.
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People you have imprisoned tend to get events that cause them to consider you a rival. Since a rivalry is always a two way street that means that suddenly you consider them a rival too. So you probably got him from a siege or something as a kid and just forgot about him since no one would pay for him.
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I think characters might become your rivals when you steal their land in a war
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Hellioning posted:People you have imprisoned tend to get events that cause them to consider you a rival. Since a rivalry is always a two way street that means that suddenly you consider them a rival too. So you probably got him from a siege or something as a kid and just forgot about him since no one would pay for him. Pretty much this. The majority of rivals you make are people you forgot about in prison. It's notably quite difficult to become rivals with someone outside your realm. Elias_Maluco posted:I think characters might become your rivals when you steal their land in a war You would think so, but winning a conquest war doesn't give rival progress or anything, just the opinion loss from declaring war
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Yeah they should really make it such that to become rivals like that you have to be of approximately equal rank, or at least landed.
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I think if you're a dick to people at feasts you get more chances to be rivals. Also if you execute their family probably, I think I've gotten that option.
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Hellioning posted:People you have imprisoned tend to get events that cause them to consider you a rival. Since a rivalry is always a two way street that means that suddenly you consider them a rival too. So you probably got him from a siege or something as a kid and just forgot about him since no one would pay for him. Was playing a William the Conqueror game. 8 years into his reign, I say gently caress it why not when a tiny count level ally in Central Europe asks for help in a war. I send men at arms only to go deal with it, have a large army sprung on me, get captured, and waste away in his dungeon for four years before going insane of dying of a seizure. He wouldn’t ransom me because the war was ongoing, and I had an internal war to deal with. But. But as soon as that was put down….my next king rolled in with armies and mercs I spent money on just to prove a point and I killed every goddamn captive I could grab. In a stroke of good luck, the dude had converted to something before I got there so every execution was above board and blessed. Trevor Hale fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Sep 24, 2021 |
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Trevor Hale posted:Was playing a William the Conqueror game. 8 years into his reign, I say gently caress it why not when a tiny count level ally in Central Europe asks for help in a war. I send men at arms only to go deal with it, have a large army sprung on me, get captured, and waste away in his du vein for four years before going insane of dying of a seizure. He wouldn’t ransom me because the war was ongoing, and I had an internal war to deal with. gently caress yeah. Love a good vengeance play!
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Elias_Maluco posted:I think characters might become your rivals when you steal their land in a war Revoking titles twice is a guaranteed way to get a rival if you need one, just like offering to join a war twice is guaranteed friend.
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PittTheElder posted:Yeah they should really make it such that to become rivals like that you have to be of approximately equal rank, or at least landed. Yeah rivalry system could definitely use some work. Randomly finding out some baron halfway around the world was my rival when they died is a very 'huh, well ok' moment.
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Trip report: My problem has solved itself--sort of. I handed off Jerusalem to the king's son, and he shortly thereafter created a cadet branch. Since then, I am no longer in the line of succession for his titles. Seems that seniority in a cadet branch restricts itself to that branch. His sons and daughters are all in the line of succession, but not anyone else. TIL.
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SlothBear posted:Yeah rivalry system could definitely use some work. Randomly finding out some baron halfway around the world was my rival when they died is a very 'huh, well ok' moment. I feel like a simple fix would just be to make hatred one-way - if two characters hate each other, then the game flags them as rivals and gives all the appropriate events. But if only one character hates the other, the one that doesn't care won't get rivalry events.
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I think it makes perfect sense if rivalry is one-sided, the rivalry flag could be hidden or something. The other side could even get some stress-relieving laughs from some nobody hating them or could become rival later due to some actions of someone who sees them as a rival.
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