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TeeQueue posted:During the last phase, every girl spams hope, every turn. This gives them all a +8 strength to all dice, making it kind of a cinematic boss. It's not quite that high, because they won't draw Hope every turn, but yeah it helps a lot. Plus the counter die is helpful if Nihil targets you wrong. Justice is the mvp in this fight, because her %hp damage can actually hurt Nihil even with -5 power, and her deck only has four cards so she's by far the most reliable Hope spammer.
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TeeQueue posted:During the last phase, every girl spams hope, every turn. People I play games with can attest to my god awful luck. I know the response from some could be "Why are you playing a game that is heavy RNG based when you know you don't RNG?" Answer? Beats me. Arcvasti posted:It's not quite that high, because they won't draw Hope every turn, but yeah it helps a lot. quote:Justice is the mvp in this fight, because her %hp damage can actually hurt Nihil even with -5 power, and her deck only has four cards so she's by far the most reliable Hope spammer. That run was a TON of fun! 
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Acerbatus posted:I mean, if the head cared they have more than one arbiter and claw. Do they though Arbiters aren't really a common sight(and also might be clones??? this is just going by how zena looks like a younger binah and has an identical personality to garion) and not much is known about claws besides them suddenly showing up, murdering someone super hard, and leaving. We never actually see or hear about them being deployed in actual force, and the Head strikes me as the kind of ruler that lets the crushing misery of the status quo do most of it's work for it Plus the Head had no issue with the library until then and clearly didn't expect Roland's final move, so it's also possible that those three were just monitoring things but were forced to move immediately before Angela could really get a handle on her EGO without the light Yinlock fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Sep 21, 2021 |
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We know from LC that they deployed at least two claws for that, and presumably the ordeal Fixers are based on something real. I think if they didnt have a legitimate army, Diaz would have overthrown them with the Udjat by now.
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imo the biggest missed opportunity of ruina was not letting us see anything like the white fixers in lobotomy corp
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Venuz Patrol posted:imo the biggest missed opportunity of ruina was not letting us see anything like the white fixers in lobotomy corp
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Acerbatus posted:We know from LC that they deployed at least two claws for that, and presumably the ordeal Fixers are based on something real. I think they do have a significant force but not THAT significant, which is why all the gun regulations and such are in place. Quality over quantity, they're spread thin but the status quo they set up does most of the work anyway. (e: also the head itself is apparently unfathomably powerful, but also seems lazy as hell so) The Claws just strike me as a preemptive strike kind of soldier rather than an actual army unit. They show up without warning, remove The Problem, then leave. e: Their game performance kind of bears this out where they're terrifying death machines but have trouble fighting large groups(or small groups that are closer to their level of strength) Yinlock fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Sep 22, 2021 |
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Claws can also just outright be overpowered, such as when Kali killed two of them at once. A lot of the Head's MO seems to be sending in arbiters and claws at the target's lowest point when they're unable to put up a strong resistance, and even then that doesn't always work out for them.
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Eopia posted:Claws can also just outright be overpowered, such as when Kali killed two of them at once. A lot of the Head's MO seems to be sending in arbiters and claws at the target's lowest point when they're unable to put up a strong resistance, and even then that doesn't always work out for them. Kind of suggests that the Eye is actually the most important part of the organization - they have to know who is breaking the rules and when they're weakest, because their entire setup depends on everyone thinking they're invincible and violating their rules is guaranteed to end badly.
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Eopia posted:Claws can also just outright be overpowered, such as when Kali killed two of them at once. A lot of the Head's MO seems to be sending in arbiters and claws at the target's lowest point when they're unable to put up a strong resistance, and even then that doesn't always work out for them. The Lob Corp LP was a long time ago and I don't remember this at all. I always thought it was just Garion by herself. Found the post, guess Claws kinda leveled up in this game. WarpedLichen fucked around with this message at 05:46 on Sep 23, 2021 |
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WarpedLichen posted:The Lob Corp LP was a long time ago and I don't remember this at all. I always thought it was just Garion by herself.
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GilliamYaeger posted:It's a different Claw, and going by his passives and the unique animation he gets when you use Greater Split Vertical on him he came prepared with the full expectation of facing down the Red Mist. Garion's downfall was that she didn't do the research - she didn't realise how useful EGO was or how strong Kali was, which ultimately got her and two Claws killed. These guys came in knowing exactly what and who they were about to fight, and the only thing they didn't expect was Binah siding again them instead of coming home. It's possible that the Head just straight up didn't have as much info on the Secret, Underground, Outskirts Lobotomy Corporation Initial Laboratory. They only struck after someone did a whistle-blowing as it was and potentially didn't think it would be nearly as threatening as it ended up being. Garion seems to have underestimated Kali, but not by much seeing as Kali died doing what she did.
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Lord_Magmar posted:Garion seems to have underestimated Kali, but not by much seeing as Kali died doing what she did. Yeah, Garion won. She didn't expect to have such a close fight and to lose her two Claws but even after that underestimation she still won. She only died because she, like every Arbiter apparently, cannot shut the gently caress up.
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It's worth noting that even in Ruina It's entirely possible to be winning that final fight, it's rough especially with how weak Roland is, but that's not a fight they were guaranteed to win even with attacking the library at its weakest if you play well. Also I'm pretty sure Gebura is still notably weaker than Kali by the end of Ruina, especially without the Library strengthening her, on top of the fight ending before Gebura can actually use her EGO. The Head isn't nearly as invincible as it wants people to believe.
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Eopia posted:It's worth noting that even in Ruina It's entirely possible to be winning that final fight, it's rough especially with how weak Roland is, but that's not a fight they were guaranteed to win even with attacking the library at its weakest if you play well. Also I'm pretty sure Gebura is still notably weaker than Kali by the end of Ruina, especially without the Library strengthening her, on top of the fight ending before Gebura can actually use her EGO. The Head isn't nearly as invincible as it wants people to believe.
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GilliamYaeger posted:With that context, it really makes them eventually managing to fix the Adam ending in Lobotomy Corp all that much more impressive. I wonder if we'll eventually get a game from their point of view? As I recall, the fourth game (the one after Limbus) is supposed to be some form of City Manager in the newly vacated Nest L and the district it's in, which makes me suspect the Head will at least be far more prevalent in that one than in the other titles.
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Eopia posted:It's worth noting that even in Ruina It's entirely possible to be winning that final fight, it's rough especially with how weak Roland is, but that's not a fight they were guaranteed to win even with attacking the library at its weakest if you play well. Also I'm pretty sure Gebura is still notably weaker than Kali by the end of Ruina, especially without the Library strengthening her, on top of the fight ending before Gebura can actually use her EGO. The Head isn't nearly as invincible as it wants people to believe. I think the lack of passives was to indicate they were kinda halfassing it, to see how strong the Library crew was. I don't think the Head is invincible but there's no reason to think they're pushovers.
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GilliamYaeger posted:With that context, it really makes them eventually managing to fix the Adam ending in Lobotomy Corp all that much more impressive. I figure their way of dealing with that would just be to send District L into the Outskirts, and then maybe send out strike forces to clean up the few Abnormalities that weren't caught in the teleport. They might not even need to do that though, the Associations and Wings would probably do that themselves.
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Acerbatus posted:I think the lack of passives was to indicate they were kinda halfassing it, to see how strong the Library crew was. I dunjno, W serum doesn't strike me as "holding back" in any way. Claws in general are way more "sudden hyperviolence" than testing the waters. There's no indication they're pushovers, their pages are kinda busted and they had Gebura and Roland dead-to-rights. But they didn't have a guaranteed win and their chances would only get lower the longer they let Angela figure out how the library works now. Also I think the lack of passives is just the library being mostly offline and not letting you see them. Yinlock fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Sep 24, 2021 |
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SotC spoilers: I thought prior stuff was tricky, but I feel like SotC's 2nd tier fights are an absolute brick wall. I've gone up against Index Proxies, Red Mist and R Corp and got stomped every time. Index was the closest and I might have eked out a win except for poor luck with the ego card I wanted not appearing until level 5, but even then it would have been close. Any suggestions?
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Razakai posted:SotC spoilers: Unlike every other boss The Red Mist/Kali doesn't have shimmering, so she can be bricked if she runs out of light. All her bread and butter cards basically reduce their cost by dealing a minimum amount of damage so if you block her enough she would be stuck using only one 2 cost page per turn. Ideally you stall the fight until she reaches emotion level 5 and then beat her to half HP; but you can replicate it by just trying to survive as until she reaches emotion level 5 with one floor and finish her off with the second floor after she kills the first one. SITB fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Sep 24, 2021 |
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Razakai posted:SotC spoilers: If you got any kills from those lost fights you can burn the books to get some great pages, Liu in particular is very good(but requires fighting crying children again if you lose, and ughhhhhh) and so is Proxies. R-corp's are less useful without R-corp keypages but even the generic R-corp keypages aren't half bad. If you're consistently losing though it sounds like your decks or passives need retooling. Ability-wise Mind Hauler and Fervor can make a massive difference. If you haven't grabbed Bamboo-hatted Kim(2 urban nightmare books) from general-receptions yet do that too, his slash dice are resisted by a lot of enemies but his ridiculous boosts mean he'll win almost any clash with them. Also, don't forget that mass attacks will eat enemy pages if they hit. Having 2-3 enemies just unable to use one of their dice for a turn is a massive power swing in your favor. e: For Red Mist don't forget that Binah has finally gotten off her rear end and decided to fight. Pillar straight-up neutralizes Greater Slash: Vertical(nothing's going to stop Horizontal though, rip) and the Fairy debuff will do a poo poo-ton of damage if you can land it consistently. Chain is also great to tell a speed dice to go gently caress itself. Just be very careful with her light, if she starts running too low it's very hard for her to get it back since her only light restore costs 1. Her floor won't be able to take down Mist alone but she will definitely do a shitload of damage before going down. Yinlock fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Sep 24, 2021 |
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Thanks for the tips. I think I just had a bad initial encounter with each of them, as on my 2nd try I managed to beat Index - Grinder Mk2 is insane with Kim, it pretty much wiped out the final stage on it's own, followed by my blunt build hitting the main Index guy with a Solemn Lament. Running 2 of the Index pages with Fervor/Grace, a singleton Allen pierce, Emma/Puppet blunt and a singleton Kim slash setup. Will farm the Thumb a bit to see if I can nab some of the pages there and then farm Index a bit more for Gloria's keypage and the uniques.
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Razakai posted:SotC spoilers:
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And said boss went down without even needing to switch floors. I guess the new set of cards is working well!
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Yinlock posted:Her floor won't be able to take down Mist alone but she will definitely do a shitload of damage before going down. If you set it up for defense and completely brick the boss' engine, she will absolutely win the fight without taking much, if any damage.
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Reiterpallasch posted:If you set it up for defense and completely brick the boss' engine, she will absolutely win the fight without taking much, if any damage. This also works. I'm just going by my experience as someone who ignored defense dice entirely until Hokma's floor forced me to learn how to use them effectively 
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Razakai posted:
One small warning: basically everything resists Blunt damage in some way from this point on. Pierce hits the most things consistently and Slash still has a bunch of uses(it gets resisted some but has some insanely good pages and easy boosts to make up for it), but Blunt has a very bad time in the endgame for the most part. e: It still has a couple uses though, and at the very least Yesod can still have fun with it. Yinlock fucked around with this message at 05:06 on Sep 25, 2021 |
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Razakai posted:
Oh something that might not be obvious is that the pages from SotC tier 2 unlock three new general receptions, the very last in the game. Might want to check those out too.
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I am tempted to install a no grind mod. Spending 10 minutes on a long and tricky fight only to not receive the keypage you're after is getting a bit tedious.
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After not getting the keypage after Crying Children I'm extremely tempted to do the same because good loving lord that fight takes too long. I thought those kinds of mods had stopped working or something, though?
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I've now seen Love Town.  (... and wiped twice to Love Town, I think I'm going to have a go at other branches a bit/some more general receptions next time I play for a bit.)
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Infinity Gaia posted:After not getting the keypage after Crying Children I'm extremely tempted to do the same because good loving lord that fight takes too long. I thought those kinds of mods had stopped working or something, though? Stuff like this is the reason I used almost exclusively Yesod from his floor's realization to the end of Impurity. At least one of the last patches of Early Access doubled the number of books you get from emotion level, but Request is still so handy. ArashiKurobara posted:I've now seen Love Town. The nice part about losing to Love Town is you get more time to listen to the music. Yes I'm da brave boi! Qrr fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Sep 25, 2021 |
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Qrr posted:The nice part about losing to Love Town is you get more time to listen to the music. Yes I'm da brave boi! Yeah it's particularly hard to be salty about having to throw myself at that one a little bit more, especially since I do have the no grind mod so I'm not having to keep farming the invite books. Both attempts were pretty close so I think I really do mostly just need to see if I can't get the right books off another branch to get another floor up to four librarians and kitted out well for it. ArashiKurobara fucked around with this message at 01:43 on Sep 26, 2021 |
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Ugh I spent a couple hours today trying to figure out if there was still some way to get the No Grind mod to work with updated LoR and had no luck. I found a different mod that DOES work, but it just straight up gives you 9999 of every book, not just ones you've already gotten, which I didn't really want.
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Infinity Gaia posted:Ugh I spent a couple hours today trying to figure out if there was still some way to get the No Grind mod to work with updated LoR and had no luck. I found a different mod that DOES work, but it just straight up gives you 9999 of every book, not just ones you've already gotten, which I didn't really want. You can set LoR to stay at 1.1.0.5b1 if you want the basemods NoGrind mod. There appears to be no real changes between it and current LoR bar some bugfixes.
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Tiphereth realization: I'm loving dying laughing at this final phase. ANIME IS REAL.
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Hands down my favorite realization in the entire game, by a fairly comfortable margin.
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