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come to think of it this is also noelle
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Sep 29, 2021 01:39
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Your Computer posted:gonna be real honest here for a second and say that it sucks and I've given up trying to correct people but it drags the thread down how little people care i love that the game goes out of the way to refer to kris with neutral pronouns, so people can't just go "the character is supposed to be self-inserted by the player, so it's fine to use whatever pronouns" like with frisk/the fallen child i hate that nobody cares anyway 
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Sep 29, 2021 01:49
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I thought people have been pretty consistent with using the right pronouns in here. Sometimes people slip but then they edit their post
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Sep 29, 2021 02:06
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someone awful. posted:i love that the game goes out of the way to refer to kris with neutral pronouns, so people can't just go "the character is supposed to be self-inserted by the player, so it's fine to use whatever pronouns" like with frisk/the fallen child Flesnolk posted:I thought people have been pretty consistent with using the right pronouns in here. Sometimes people slip but then they edit their post 
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Sep 29, 2021 02:06
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ok nobody was a melodramatic exaggeration, sorry. like 90% of this thread is really good actually e: i may have been having a bad day and posted someone awful. fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Sep 29, 2021 |
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Sep 29, 2021 02:07
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Where did the "where the gently caress are we" meme start anyway?
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Sep 29, 2021 02:07
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ImpAtom posted:Where did the "where the gently caress are we" meme start anyway? The hit videogame Deltarune
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Sep 29, 2021 02:09
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ImpAtom posted:Where did the "where the gently caress are we" meme start anyway? I can't be bothered to find it but on like the second day after release some funny guy made a version with them in Minecraft. And then for some reason it took almost exactly three days of it being reposted occasionally before people started making different versions of increasingly high quality.
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Sep 29, 2021 02:12
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Kwisp.
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Sep 29, 2021 02:13
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Couldn't give you timeline of the memetic evolution but these are the original images in question. (Also why Ralsei is occasionally on the ground in the meme images.) 
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Sep 29, 2021 02:17
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i feel like I should make hay before this meme exhausts itself so this gave me a Reasonable Chuckle https://twitter.com/QuestForTori/status/1443001820897366017?s=19
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Sep 29, 2021 02:19
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Sep 29, 2021 02:23
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I think this thread has been good for gending Kris's pronouns right. The rest of the internet however... Also, I keep thinking of them as Krisp in my mind because of Temmie.
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Sep 29, 2021 02:35
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MonsieurChoc posted:Also, I keep thinking of them as Krisp in my mind because of Temmie. Same. Like imagining e; woops MariusLecter fucked around with this message at 03:51 on Sep 29, 2021 |
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Sep 29, 2021 02:37
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Flesnolk posted:I thought people have been pretty consistent with using the right pronouns in here. Sometimes people slip but then they edit their post someone awful. posted:ok nobody was a melodramatic exaggeration, sorry. like 90% of this thread is really good actually like, you don't just get to say "it has been good actually" when folks tell you it's bad
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Sep 29, 2021 02:40
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Your Computer posted:gonna be real honest here for a second and say that it sucks and I've given up trying to correct people but it drags the thread down how little people care I care.  I've probably screwed it up too, but I don't mean to and I try not to. I'd like to be corrected every time it happens, because I want to get it right. I still screw up my own pronouns a lot of the time.
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Sep 29, 2021 02:46
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Your Computer posted:nah, it has been pretty bad actually e: VVV Well now I feel dumb lol Oxyclean fucked around with this message at 02:50 on Sep 29, 2021 |
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Sep 29, 2021 02:47
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it happened in the post immediately above your computer's lol
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Sep 29, 2021 02:48
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MariusLecter posted:Same. like holy poo poo dude read the room lmao
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Sep 29, 2021 02:50
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Katsuma posted:Also, regarding SnowGrave Noelle's firm insistence that she didn't know that spell read to me as less like ignorance of it, and more like denial. After all, she didn't have any such objections to IceShock. That girl can repress trauma with the best of them. She really doesn't seem to remember it at all, you see inside her head a bit at the end of the game and she's freaked out about Kris but not apparently worried about killing Berdly. Maybe she really doesn't know it and the person who killed the shopkeeper and Snowgraves Berdly is actually Dess 
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Sep 29, 2021 02:55
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Does it ever actually mention in-game their preferred pronouns at any point?
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Sep 29, 2021 02:56
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:Does it ever actually mention in-game their preferred pronouns at any point? Everyone refers to Kris as they/them without exception
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Sep 29, 2021 02:57
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:Does it ever actually mention in-game their preferred pronouns at any point? Never explicitly, since Kris never talks. But anyone who refers to Kris uses neutral, including Toriel, I think, and I'm pretty sure Toby on stream said it's very much intentional.
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Sep 29, 2021 02:58
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It is a easy thing to overlook though if you aren't looking for it.
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Sep 29, 2021 02:58
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:Does it ever actually mention in-game their preferred pronouns at any point? Kris never turns to the camera to say "my preferred pronouns are they/them" but everyone including Kris' own mom uses those pronouns and Toby Fox has also been clear about it.
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Sep 29, 2021 02:58
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:It is a easy thing to overlook though if you aren't looking for it. if you don't read this text-heavy game you're playing yeah you'll probably miss it
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Sep 29, 2021 02:59
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FFXIV Porn posted:if you don't read this text-heavy game you're playing yeah you'll probably miss it But don't worry, we'll always have your weird aggression to keep us in check
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Sep 29, 2021 03:04
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Your Computer posted:nah, it has been pretty bad actually This. Like, I get it. We've all grown up surrounded by a lot of bad assumptions, and it takes work to shake those biases when they're pretty much reflexive. At the same time, it's minimal effort to double-check yourself before slamming the submit button. Also straight-up contradicting someone who is telling you something is happening that is upsetting them is a poo poo thing to do.
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Sep 29, 2021 03:05
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Motherfucker posted:But don't worry, we'll always have your weird aggression to keep us in check people bringing in their weird biases to just decide characters are male despite zero evidence to this (and copious evidence otherwise, that kris is thoroughly a They) does make me a lil aggressive, yeah it's a really easy thing to just Use The Correct Pronouns and it sucks when people don't.
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Sep 29, 2021 03:06
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FFXIV Porn posted:if you don't read this text-heavy game you're playing yeah you'll probably miss it Like iunno, I say this as someone who leans towards non-binary pronouns personally. I'm not surprised it can go over peoples heads, because people are so used to character/design coding and are influenced by personal biases, that "intentionally gender ambiguous" is still kind of a new thing?
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Sep 29, 2021 03:07
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Your Computer posted:Kris never turns to the camera to say "my preferred pronouns are they/them" but everyone including Kris' own mom uses those pronouns and Toby Fox has also been clear about it. Did he post anything clarifying this, because I saw the clip from the stream that everyone keeps bringing up and it he simply refers to Kris as "they" while they're playing, he doesn't outright state those are specifically Kris' pronouns. It's possible I'm just seeing the wrong clip of course, but the one I keep seeing past around doesn't really put a pin in it one way or the other really, and Undertale also refereed to Frisk as they/them like this game does for Kris.
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Sep 29, 2021 03:13
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Macaluso posted:Did he post anything clarifying this, because I saw the clip from the stream that everyone keeps bringing up and it he simply refers to Kris as "they" while they're playing, he doesn't outright state those are specifically Kris' pronouns. It's possible I'm just seeing the wrong clip of course, but the one I keep seeing past around doesn't really put a pin in it one way or the other really, and Undertale also refereed to Frisk as they/them like this game does for Kris. frisk and chara are still debatably player inserts/ciphers for most of the game but kris's whole Thing is that they're a totally separate person with their own past and identity. if everyone they know calls them by neutral pronouns, it's because they prefer neutral pronouns
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Sep 29, 2021 03:14
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Kris hasn't even been referred to with he or she pronouns in-game. Maybe just stop defaulting to one of those automatically when there hasn't been anything said in-game about it? There's even less excuse in Deltarune since Kris is explicitly their own character beyond a player avatar.
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Sep 29, 2021 03:20
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also their own mom uses they/them pronouns for them. There's not really a debate, just stop trying to use he/she for anyone when you're not sure
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Sep 29, 2021 03:21
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Macaluso posted:Did he post anything clarifying this, because I saw the clip from the stream that everyone keeps bringing up and it he simply refers to Kris as "they" while they're playing, he doesn't outright state those are specifically Kris' pronouns. It's possible I'm just seeing the wrong clip of course, but the one I keep seeing past around doesn't really put a pin in it one way or the other really, and Undertale also refereed to Frisk as they/them like this game does for Kris. Back in the Undertale era, Toby said to think of Frisk as whatever the player was like, a player insert basically. This was during the pre-release period for the full game I believe, so Frisk actually being their own character wasn't known at the time. Given that Toby went out of his way to say they/them on the stream, combined with the fact that Kris is explicitly their own person, I'm pretty sure he's not taking the same stance here this time.
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Sep 29, 2021 03:24
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Macaluso posted:Did he post anything clarifying this, because I saw the clip from the stream that everyone keeps bringing up and it he simply refers to Kris as "they" while they're playing, he doesn't outright state those are specifically Kris' pronouns. It's possible I'm just seeing the wrong clip of course, but the one I keep seeing past around doesn't really put a pin in it one way or the other really, and Undertale also refereed to Frisk as they/them like this game does for Kris. Frisk being more than just a vague self-insert is an endgame reveal that mostly has meta meaning but in Deltarune it's clear early on that Kris is an actual character with a history and personality and all that. And much like how talking to people in town helps you learn that they're something of a weird prankster that misses their bro it also shows that everyone refers to them with gender neutral pronouns. It doesn't really bother me when people use he/him because i'm assuming it's mostly subconcious but whenever anyone feels the need to be like "are you sure they're actually confirmed nonbinary officially???" it is kinda obnoxious.
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Sep 29, 2021 03:26
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Araxxor posted:Back in the Undertale era, Toby said to think of Frisk as whatever the player was like, a player insert basically. This was during the pre-release period for the full game I believe, so Frisk actually being their own character wasn't known at the time.
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Sep 29, 2021 03:30
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There are definitely a bunch of assholes online angryposting about Kris being male or whatever. They suck.
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