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CPL593H posted:I don't really think Dave Chapelle even took it that seriously. He was obviously not on R. Kelly's side but the whole thing was just "lol, he pee peed on girl." rather than going hard on him for being a monster. Considering Chapelle made a follow up sketch about how he'd never vote to convict and it wasn't that serious and put Rick James back in the public eye after the rape/kidnapping/torture charges, he doesn't seem to take anything done to women that seriously.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Considering Chapelle made a follow up sketch about how he'd never vote to convict and it wasn't that serious and put Rick James back in the public eye after the rape/kidnapping/torture charges, he doesn't seem to take anything done to women that seriously. Chapelle was also one of the big voices pushing the “how recognizable is one guy’s penis from another, anyway? I don’t think I could even pick my own out from a lineup” response to one of the prosecution’s key pieces of evidence in the Michael Jackson trial, which was an accurate drawing of the vitiligo markings on said penis by one of the accusers. Like, just on its face, without the element of the unique skin condition that Jackson had, that’s a such loving ludicrous thing to say, and speaks to some real “no homo” posturing Like some I’m so straight I can’t even recognize my own dick bullshit, wtf are you talking about
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Alhazred posted:The Boondocks also had an entire episode dedicated to the court case. Man that episode is a trip 15 years later. Iirc didn't one of the defense lawyer's key points boil down to "sure he probably did but it's R. Kelly, if we send him to jail he won't be able to make amazing music anymore"?
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The late 90s/early 00s just comes off as insanely misogynistic in retrospect and especially so when race was involved, but not necessarily. Look at the treatment of... pretty much every female celebrity of the time. Also, ignoring that Princess Diana was basically murdered.
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CPL593H posted:I don't really think Dave Chapelle even took it that seriously. He was obviously not on R. Kelly's side but the whole thing was just "lol, he pee peed on girl." rather than going hard on him for being a monster. Underrated part of that bit: Dave was doing stand-up between sketches as he did for that show, and he was talking about how he ran into Kelly after the first bit he did on him was aired. According to Dave, the conversation went thus: R.Kelly: How you gonna make a video 'bout me pissing on people? Dave: How are you gonna make a video about you pissing on people?
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Aces High posted:Man that episode is a trip 15 years later. Iirc didn't one of the defense lawyer's key points boil down to "sure he probably did but it's R. Kelly, if we send him to jail he won't be able to make amazing music anymore"? You want to see some Boondocks that aged poorly (I could not find these in better resolution)?   
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CPL593H posted:You want to see some Boondocks that aged poorly (I could not find these in better resolution)? isn't that pretty critical of Cosby? When he was going on his pound cake rants he wasn't really getting anything across beyond "pull up your pants and act right" as if that was the only source of black inequality in America. The joke is even "uh, don't take what he says seriously, but philosophically there's something kind of there?"
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Considering Chapelle made a follow up sketch about how he'd never vote to convict and it wasn't that serious and put Rick James back in the public eye after the rape/kidnapping/torture charges, he doesn't seem to take anything done to women that seriously. I tried watching Chappelle's show a few years back and holy poo poo the misogyny. There's a few points of pretty dedicated misogyny, but its more that women in the sketches are never anything but props for gags about their tits or asses. You could basically teach the concept of 'objectification' without much more than his show. The only women in his sketches are hos, or girls who he thought were nice but were actually hos and thus worthless. I don't even think you can call it a blindspot, it ends up coming across as a pretty sincere belief.
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That just reads as the kid trying to tell his Cosby loving grandpa that Cosby is full of poo poo without offending him
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I'm reminded of when Cosby criticized the Cincinnati Police Riots. Opinions on that had a heavy generational divide in the city.
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In retrospect, had Bill Cosby not finally gotten caught on Just looking back on it, how the gently caress was a girl getting shot in the back of the head for stealing $2 worth of food ever made into a thing about how it's black people's fault for not raising their kids right? Like, the idea of legalized murder in defense of an insignificant amount of property should've been way more important then "well, does she have two parents?" Man, glad this gave me another chance to look back at Cosby's whole life and work and realize the rot was there from the start and that affable America's Dad thing was literally just a character he put on, and when the camera's stopped he took off that mask and returned to being a monster.
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pentyne posted:isn't that pretty critical of Cosby? When he was going on his pound cake rants he wasn't really getting anything across beyond "pull up your pants and act right" as if that was the only source of black inequality in America. The joke is even "uh, don't take what he says seriously, but philosophically there's something kind of there?" Well yeah, I just posted it because repeating "I respect Bill Cosby" multiple times is one of those things that aged very, very, very poorly. Snowman_McK posted:I tried watching Chappelle's show a few years back and holy poo poo the misogyny. There's a few points of pretty dedicated misogyny, but its more that women in the sketches are never anything but props for gags about their tits or asses. You could basically teach the concept of 'objectification' without much more than his show. The only women in his sketches are hos, or girls who he thought were nice but were actually hos and thus worthless. Comedy is one of those things that ages poorly but Chapelle and other comics of his age/generation thrived on edgelord bullshit, slurs, and stereotypes. That's not to say he was never funny. His standup and Chapelle's Show were often funny but he's one of the comics in his age group that's dug his heels in the sand on getting with the times and whines about cancel culture and these drat kids with their pronouns and being offended all the time killing comedy. It's just the mark of someone with not much left to say who refuses to acknowledge that a lot of what he did have to say was pretty hosed up. I can't even imagine how insufferable Bill Hicks would be by now if he'd lived.
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CPL593H posted:Well yeah, I just posted it because repeating "I respect Bill Cosby" multiple times is one of those things that aged very, very, very poorly. I think he was pretty loving sexist at the time, the difference I was 18 at the time and, thus, a moron.
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Alan Smithee posted:I’m surprised denis Leary hasn’t gotten on that train He's got Rescue Me residuals, so he doesn't have to care.
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Leary's always been a right wing piece of poo poo, but yeah I guess he's ok with just being on network sitcoms e: it's pretty sad how relevant that Carlin interview still is
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I didn’t know Leary was right wing. I thought the worst he got was that cornball/cringetacular “I’m an rear end in a top hat” song from the 90s But Carlin was too good for this loving country
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The late 90s and entirety of the 00s has an undercurrent of frothing misogyny that is kinda all the worse for the assumption that Sexism Is Over.
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Let's bring this fulllllll circleeeeeee!!!!! https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1442957307172638720
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pentyne posted:
I mean one of his early comedy albums had a whole bit about drugging women at a party with Spanish fly. It was always there but society as a whole is very very misogynistic so no one cared. And he was known for doing "clean comedy" so yeah...
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RevKrule posted:Let's bring this fulllllll circleeeeeee!!!!! The victory lap he is taking after his win on a technicality is so utterly infuriating
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This illustrates my feelings on Cosby https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZlQaE4GDUY Of course that special also had some bonkers offensive stuff on homosexuality so…
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The late 90s and entirety of the 00s has an undercurrent of frothing misogyny that is kinda all the worse for the assumption that Sexism Is Over.
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Vincent posted:Every year before the 90's had an undercurrent (overcurrent) of frothing misogyny. This. The 90s and 2000s are just notable because 1) most of us lived through them 2) there was a collective backlash in entertainment/media culture to the unholy alliance between the Tipper Gore Dems and Nancy Reagan GOP, specifically in the media that appealed to people like us and youth/mainly males The worst decision a powerful, visible subset of mainstream second-wavers did in the 80s and early 90s was to hitch feminism and anti-misogyny to “family values” and social neoconservatism, but I guess that’s one of the many evils of the Third Way Dems
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RevKrule posted:Let's bring this fulllllll circleeeeeee!!!!! "Those are rookie numbers, son." Coffee And Pie posted:This illustrates my feelings on Cosby One of the bits from that album is simply titled "Faggots". And for some reason there was a special Record Store Day limited edition reissue of this.
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CPL593H posted:"Those are rookie numbers, son." of just that bit?
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Yeah, I'm not surprised there's a limited edition reproduction of Eddie Murphy's Raw. Opinions on the content aside it's one of the most famous stand-up concerts in existence.
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Can't miss https://twitter.com/IndieWire/status/1443320176355676160?s=19
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Ok Comboomer posted:of just that bit? No, it's the whole album. But one would think that the people who decide these things would see that and think "Maybe we don't need to put out more of these.".
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Jamie Spears, Britney Spears's father ousted from conservatorship.
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Ok Comboomer posted:This. The 90s and 2000s are just notable because 1) most of us lived through them 2) there was a collective backlash in entertainment/media culture to the unholy alliance between the Tipper Gore Dems and Nancy Reagan GOP, specifically in the media that appealed to people like us and youth/mainly males For a moment that was apparently a natural alliance, and you still see it in British TERFs. A big part of the whole progressive realignment has basically been just climbing out of the hole made by feminism being monopolised by well-off white women and increasingly turned exclusively against their personal bugbears.
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Tarantino posted:Like, before me, the person foot fetishism was defined by was Luis Buñuel, another film director. And Hitchcock was accused of it, and Sofia Coppola has been accused of it. I don't know about Buñuel and Coppola, but referring to Hitchcock was not the best defense here.
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Alan Smithee posted:always associated Buñuel with eyes but that's just me Feet can be just as expressive, they are 'the gateway to the sole'.
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this thread just can’t stop trippin’ over feet
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I’m shocked that a judge in Arkansas didn’t roll over for the Duggars. Their relevance and clout must be waning in the Trump era
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