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Dead Like Rev
Sep 6, 2010

"The dead walk among us."



There is so much trolling going on in this thread.

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Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

It is a real shame that gamers are so set in their ways that they did not revisit BFV every few months to see how it was shaping up like a custody-less dad trying to stay involved with his kid

ScootsMcSkirt
Oct 29, 2013

Fallom posted:

It is a real shame that gamers are so set in their ways that they did not revisit BFV every few months to see how it was shaping up like a custody-less dad trying to stay involved with his kid

really says a lot about our society

ethanol
Jul 13, 2007



Fallom posted:

It is a real shame that gamers are so set in their ways that they did not revisit BFV every few months to see how it was shaping up like a custody-less dad trying to stay involved with his kid

:captainpop:

Mega Comrade
Apr 22, 2004

Listen buddy, we all got problems!

Fallom posted:

It is a real shame that gamers are so set in their ways that they did not revisit BFV every few months to see how it was shaping up like a custody-less dad trying to stay involved with his kid

I suppose this just shows that buying games 1/2 years after release for deep deep discount is the enlightened choice.

ethanol
Jul 13, 2007



Skyarb posted:

Bf1 is my favorite in the series. I wrote off BFV for a long time because I heard about all the problems it had. What people hadn't been saying is how all those problems are gone now and it's actually really good, I still like BF1 better but bfv is a solid and fun time in it's own right. Even if 2042 fixes all of it's problems, BFV will still be a better battlefield title than 2042.
:vince:

Skyarb
Sep 20, 2018

MMMPH MMMPPHH MPPPH GLUCK GLUCK OH SORRY I DIDNT SEE YOU THERE I WAS JUST CHOKING DOWN THIS BATTLEFIELD COCK DID YOU KNOW BATTLEFIELD IS THE BEST VIDEO GAME EVER NOW IF YOULL EXCUSE ME ILL GO BACK TO THIS BATTLECOCK
Better yet get it for less than a hamburger years later and be suprised when its actually fun now and better than the shitshow that is 2042.

https://steamcharts.com/app/1238810

Whole lotta people playing now, best time to get involved. You get all the games unlocks, all maps, for 5 bucks. More players than ever and it seems to only continue to be going up. Feels more like BF4 than 2042 does thats for sure, despite being WW2

Dead Like Rev
Sep 6, 2010

"The dead walk among us."



Skyarb posted:

Better yet get it for less than a hamburger years later and be suprised when its actually fun now and better than the shitshow that is 2042.

https://steamcharts.com/app/1238810

Whole lotta people playing now, best time to get involved. You get all the games unlocks, all maps, for 5 bucks. More players than ever and it seems to only continue to be going up. Feels more like BF4 than 2042 does thats for sure, despite being WW2

Alright, post your stats for BF V since you're trying sooooooooooooooo very hard to pimp a bad game, I gotta know.

Edit: make it easy for ya, use this. https://battlefieldtracker.com/

Dead Like Rev fucked around with this message at 23:48 on Oct 10, 2021

Hot Diggity!
Apr 3, 2010

SKELITON_BRINGING_U_ON.GIF

Skyarb posted:

Better yet get it for less than a hamburger years later and be suprised when its actually fun now and better than the shitshow that is 2042.

https://steamcharts.com/app/1238810

Whole lotta people playing now, best time to get involved. You get all the games unlocks, all maps, for 5 bucks. More players than ever and it seems to only continue to be going up. Feels more like BF4 than 2042 does thats for sure, despite being WW2

I too never played BF4

Sedisp
Jun 20, 2012


ScootsMcSkirt posted:

Im really confused by this take. This implies that BFs helos move like every other video game helo where u push the stick forward to move the helo forward like in GTA, Far Cry, etc

The thing is, they dont work like that at all in the beta. Ive flown the helos for hours and they absolutely have a ton of momentum. In fact, momentum is essentially how youre supposed to fly. You basically fall to wherever youre going. You can pull off awesome maneuvers in this game that are impossible to do in almost any other game due to the momentum-based flying

I really enjoyed the flying in the beta. Helos were extremely quick and agile. At one point, i was in a littlebird getting locked on by an attack helo around point B. I had low health and my flares were on cooldown so I had to do something desperate.

I decided to fly into the open hanger through the back of B and somehow made it through to the front entrance without crashing. I then swooped around the building and found the attack helo hovering by the back entrance and lit his aas up. Felt like such a pro

That's not momentum. Try tilting your helicopter forward and go full rotor until you reach maximum speed. Now level out. If you had momentum you would not almost immediately stop. The helicopters don't really fly like helicopters here they kind of fly like weird little jet choppers and even the little bird is more lethargic than the Havoc has been in any other battlefield entry.

Live At Five!
Feb 15, 2008
BF1 is my favorite of the series since BC2 but I will have none of this BFV apologia. BFV was and still is tepid garbage. BFV's biggest sin is that it never actually felt like a WW2 game, which the pacific maps only partially rectified. You can talk poo poo about BF1 not having the French or the eastern front but at least they added them in some excellent DLC. They had Russian assets they could have easily ported over to BFV and they couldn't even manage that. I played a few matches of 2042 on series x and couldn't get past the dogshit shooting, how did they manage to go from the satisfying gunplay of BF1 to the sloppy turd guns in 2042? I've gone from definite purchase to hesitant about even picking it up on sale. Hopefully hazard zone is cool.

Sedisp
Jun 20, 2012


Skyarb posted:

Better yet get it for less than a hamburger years later and be suprised when its actually fun now and better than the shitshow that is 2042.

https://steamcharts.com/app/1238810

Whole lotta people playing now, best time to get involved. You get all the games unlocks, all maps, for 5 bucks. More players than ever and it seems to only continue to be going up. Feels more like BF4 than 2042 does thats for sure, despite being WW2

Well not all the unlocks you don't get any vehicle specializations and that's kind of a big deal depending on the vehicle.

whaley
Aug 13, 2000

MY DOODOO IS SPRAYING OUT
man thats what momentum is like in the future

Dead Like Rev
Sep 6, 2010

"The dead walk among us."



How many of you BF V apologists were screaming real cringe like back at its release about women in world war 2? Be honest so we can distance ourselves appropriately and ignore you, also I'll find your post about it if it exists. lmao.

Skyarb
Sep 20, 2018

MMMPH MMMPPHH MPPPH GLUCK GLUCK OH SORRY I DIDNT SEE YOU THERE I WAS JUST CHOKING DOWN THIS BATTLEFIELD COCK DID YOU KNOW BATTLEFIELD IS THE BEST VIDEO GAME EVER NOW IF YOULL EXCUSE ME ILL GO BACK TO THIS BATTLECOCK
^^^ What even is this weird strawman. Good luck search away. The game having women has and always owns cause it pisses off chuds.

Dead Like Rev posted:

Alright, post your stats for BF V since you're trying sooooooooooooooo very hard to pimp a bad game, I gotta know.

Edit: make it easy for ya, use this. https://battlefieldtracker.com/

https://imgur.com/VvSaFsN

Pretty much just got it last night, played about as long as I've played 2042 so if there are long lasting meta problems I haven't noticed them yet but I'd say I've already gotten 5 bucks worth of fun out of it, since it scratches that itch quite well.

Dead Like Rev
Sep 6, 2010

"The dead walk among us."



Skyarb posted:

https://imgur.com/VvSaFsN

Pretty much just got it last night, played about as long as I've played 2042 so if there are long lasting meta problems I haven't noticed them yet but I'd say I've already gotten 5 bucks worth of fun out of it, since it scratches that itch quite well.

Confirmed troll. Got it.

Skyarb posted:

^^^ What even is this weird strawman. Good luck search away. The game having women has and always owns cause it pisses off chuds.

Cause when the game came out lotta folks RAGED HARD - since you clearly haven't been around but...weirdly are trying to talk like you know everything about the game ..... dot dot dot dot question mark ? There were legit people being weirdo clowns / misogynist assclowns about the game having women in it. Which is loving disgusting to say the least. Now to see a thread full of people vehemently defending it is :stonk:

Dead Like Rev fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Oct 10, 2021

DrBox
Jul 3, 2004

Sombody call the doctor?

Live At Five! posted:

I played a few matches of 2042 on series x and couldn't get past the dogshit shooting, how did they manage to go from the satisfying gunplay of BF1 to the sloppy turd guns in 2042? I've gone from definite purchase to hesitant about even picking it up on sale. Hopefully hazard zone is cool.

This is wild to me. BF1 guns have all sorts of weird weapon bloom and bullets not going where the sight it. 2042 shooting felt fine depending on the attachments and recoil. Maybe I got lucky and dodged more bugs there.


Dead Like Rev posted:

How many of you BF V apologists were screaming real cringe like back at its release about women in world war 2? Be honest so we can distance ourselves appropriately and ignore you, also I'll find your post about it if it exists. lmao.
The backlash after that first trailer was amazing. All the historical accuracy chuds got so mad. I wish they had gone all in instead of pivoting to the more milqetoast release. I think that's part of why BF5 flopped. They came out strong in a direction people didn't like then walked it back.

Sedisp
Jun 20, 2012


DrBox posted:

This is wild to me. BF1 guns have all sorts of weird weapon bloom and bullets not going where the sight it. 2042 shooting felt fine depending on the attachments and recoil. Maybe I got lucky and dodged more bugs there.

The backlash after that first trailer was amazing. All the historical accuracy chuds got so mad. I wish they had gone all in instead of pivoting to the more milqetoast release. I think that's part of why BF5 flopped. They came out strong in a direction people didn't like then walked it back.

The best thing is to go back and see the argument shifted too "oh well we were just mad about the tone not being gritty and realistic" while they are hooting and hollering that the bf2042 trailer featured jumping out of a jet and killing the jet behind you with a rocket.

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.
I'm more interested in what they are doing with Portal, which is legitimately an interesting set of tools to hand people to gently caress around in. If they pull it off, well, that's up for grabs. If they do get it half working like 90% of people's complaints are out the door. Go play BC2 teams on BC2 maps with BC2 weapons, and no Specialists. And then all the stupid poo poo, like one guy with a machine gun vs 50 people with knives. That's some stupid nonsense for people to mess with, which I'm way more interested in than "Which particular variables are or are not in the exact same game I've been playing for like 20 years".

Skyarb
Sep 20, 2018

MMMPH MMMPPHH MPPPH GLUCK GLUCK OH SORRY I DIDNT SEE YOU THERE I WAS JUST CHOKING DOWN THIS BATTLEFIELD COCK DID YOU KNOW BATTLEFIELD IS THE BEST VIDEO GAME EVER NOW IF YOULL EXCUSE ME ILL GO BACK TO THIS BATTLECOCK
I didn't really follow BFV much because I just heard about its terrible balance at launch so disregarded the game entirely. Gamers being lovely about things is par for the course for everything, and its all bad faith. All I know is BFV feels great for the value price of five bucks, and everyone I've convinced to try it all agree it plays great and we're all really surprised how fun it is.

If people don't want to consider a bad thing now good then that's fine I guess. A bunch of games are really prime picks for years after release (No man's sky, rainbow six, etc). This seems to follow that trend.

ScootsMcSkirt
Oct 29, 2013

Sedisp posted:

That's not momentum. Try tilting your helicopter forward and go full rotor until you reach maximum speed. Now level out. If you had momentum you would not almost immediately stop. The helicopters don't really fly like helicopters here they kind of fly like weird little jet choppers and even the little bird is more lethargic than the Havoc has been in any other battlefield entry.

the way one flies in the beta is by first, maxing out the rotor's lift, and second, tilting the helo's nose down so that the lift moves the helo forward. Once you get going, you can cut out the rotor entirely, and the helo will still continue moving forward. It wont stop dead in its tracks, it will fall to the ground in a diagonal line carrying its forward momentum with it. If there was no momentum, it would fall in a straight line down to the ground

There were multiple times where I was circling another helo and I tilted my helo too far in a direction and the momentum carried me under the enemy even tho I was trying to correct and level my aircraft

The entire flight model for the helos is built around this mechanic. One cant just hold the forward button to move the helo, that literally does not work. How would the flight model even work if there wasnt momentum?

Maybe the helos are much more sluggish compared to BF4, but I didnt really fly much in that game so I cant say. What I can say is that the helos in BF2042 absolutely have momentum and I still have no clue what you are talking about

Symetrique
Jan 2, 2013




My only regret is that you new BFV players will never get to experience the 8 Hamadas moment in real time.

Scherloch
Oct 28, 2010

Yeah!

ScootsMcSkirt posted:

BF2042 is like a direct sequel and continuation of BF4 lol. Wtf are you even talking about?

Like, Dice is seemingly ignoring everything they did with BF1 and BFV when it comes to 2042

If it was then it wouldn't be poo poo, but it is, so it isn't.

Warad
Aug 10, 2019



Mulva posted:

I'm more interested in what they are doing with Portal, which is legitimately an interesting set of tools to hand people to gently caress around in. If they pull it off, well, that's up for grabs. If they do get it half working like 90% of people's complaints are out the door. Go play BC2 teams on BC2 maps with BC2 weapons, and no Specialists. And then all the stupid poo poo, like one guy with a machine gun vs 50 people with knives. That's some stupid nonsense for people to mess with, which I'm way more interested in than "Which particular variables are or are not in the exact same game I've been playing for like 20 years".

I still think the main game is salvageable (albeit probably not by launch) but if Portal comes out in a good place I think there's going to be a lot of people goofing off on it and maybe even end up more popular than 2042's stock conquest.

Now Hazard Zone? That's anyone's guess.

Dpulex
Feb 26, 2013

Skyarb posted:

I didn't really follow BFV much because I just heard about its terrible balance at launch so disregarded the game entirely. Gamers being lovely about things is par for the course for everything, and its all bad faith. All I know is BFV feels great for the value price of five bucks, and everyone I've convinced to try it all agree it plays great and we're all really surprised how fun it is.

If people don't want to consider a bad thing now good then that's fine I guess. A bunch of games are really prime picks for years after release (No man's sky, rainbow six, etc). This seems to follow that trend.

If a game gets released in a poo poo state for $60 it deserves hate. You review the game they charge money for at release, not two years down the line when it gets fixed

Skyarb
Sep 20, 2018

MMMPH MMMPPHH MPPPH GLUCK GLUCK OH SORRY I DIDNT SEE YOU THERE I WAS JUST CHOKING DOWN THIS BATTLEFIELD COCK DID YOU KNOW BATTLEFIELD IS THE BEST VIDEO GAME EVER NOW IF YOULL EXCUSE ME ILL GO BACK TO THIS BATTLECOCK

Warad posted:

I still think the main game is salvageable (albeit probably not by launch) but if Portal comes out in a good place I think there's going to be a lot of people goofing off on it and maybe even end up more popular than 2042's stock conquest.

Now Hazard Zone? That's anyone's guess.

Hazard zone is, at this point, the only thing providing me with hope for 2042. If its a tarkov like I am back on board.

ethanol
Jul 13, 2007



Skyarb posted:

I didn't really follow BFV much because I just heard about its terrible balance at launch so disregarded the game entirely. Gamers being lovely about things is par for the course for everything, and its all bad faith. All I know is BFV feels great for the value price of five bucks, and everyone I've convinced to try it all agree it plays great and we're all really surprised how fun it is.

If people don't want to consider a bad thing now good then that's fine I guess. A bunch of games are really prime picks for years after release (No man's sky, rainbow six, etc). This seems to follow that trend.

You may not be aware the reason people are half trolling you is cause every time a battlefield beta comes out people come out of the woodwork to suddenly start saying the battlefield last game is actually good now. It happens every single time. What’s really happening is you’re comparing a beta to a game that got 2 years of fixes. Bf2042 is a better base than bfv was and will be better once it is fixed

Skyarb
Sep 20, 2018

MMMPH MMMPPHH MPPPH GLUCK GLUCK OH SORRY I DIDNT SEE YOU THERE I WAS JUST CHOKING DOWN THIS BATTLEFIELD COCK DID YOU KNOW BATTLEFIELD IS THE BEST VIDEO GAME EVER NOW IF YOULL EXCUSE ME ILL GO BACK TO THIS BATTLECOCK

Dpulex posted:

If a game gets released in a poo poo state for $60 it deserves hate. You review the game they charge money for at release, not two years down the line when it gets fixed

I don't disagree that we should judge a game as it launches for the value it is. But this is two years of development later for 5 bucks. I have no doubt at launch BFV was not worth that cost. But it absoluetly is worth 5 bucks now.

Sedisp
Jun 20, 2012


ScootsMcSkirt posted:

the way one flies in the beta is by first, maxing out the rotor's lift, and second, tilting the helo's nose down so that the lift moves the helo forward. Once you get going, you can cut out the rotor entirely, and the helo will still continue moving forward.

This part isn't actually true. The rotor does not zero out when you let off W (or baffling the control stick on a controller) I don't even think it goes to a significantly lower cyclic speed without pressing S. So you can still be carried because you are still generating an amount of thrust. Either or I was being hyperbolic obviously the vehicles have some momentum they just don't have as much as they should and it's incredibly jarring when expecting them to fly like helicopters.

The flight model is designed to keep you in the air as opposed to being able to do maneuvers. So you cannot for instance roll to the left rotor up while letting your nose gunner shoot at a target above you then use you carried momentum from pushing yourself toward the ground to gain distance when you're behind them to either make them lose track of you or buy yourself time to get to their flight level.

Skyarb
Sep 20, 2018

MMMPH MMMPPHH MPPPH GLUCK GLUCK OH SORRY I DIDNT SEE YOU THERE I WAS JUST CHOKING DOWN THIS BATTLEFIELD COCK DID YOU KNOW BATTLEFIELD IS THE BEST VIDEO GAME EVER NOW IF YOULL EXCUSE ME ILL GO BACK TO THIS BATTLECOCK

ethanol posted:

You may not be aware the reason people are half trolling you is cause every time a battlefield beta comes out people come out of the woodwork to suddenly start saying the battlefield last game is actually good now. It happens every single time. What’s really happening is you’re comparing a beta to a game that got 2 years of fixes. Bf2042 is a better base than bfv was and will be better once it is fixed

I get this. But I also don't fully agree. The removal of classes in conjunction with the seemingly awful map design are things I don't think we'll be "fixed" in 2042. Granted maybe its just orbital that is poo poo but the lack of classes seriously turns me off BF2042.

ethanol
Jul 13, 2007



Bfv is 5 dollars because it sucks

I mean I’ll keep playing that poo poo until bf2042 is fixed but I’m just saying

ethanol
Jul 13, 2007



Dice is pretty well known for having more experimental modes during beta or at launch. Hell I think bad company 2 or maybe 1 didn’t even have conquest for the first few months. I was really turned off by that. They also have a track record of walking things back

Scherloch
Oct 28, 2010

Yeah!

ethanol posted:

Bf2042 is a better base than bfv was and will be better once it is fixed

Questionable and speculative, but spoken as fact. Nice.

Skyarb
Sep 20, 2018

MMMPH MMMPPHH MPPPH GLUCK GLUCK OH SORRY I DIDNT SEE YOU THERE I WAS JUST CHOKING DOWN THIS BATTLEFIELD COCK DID YOU KNOW BATTLEFIELD IS THE BEST VIDEO GAME EVER NOW IF YOULL EXCUSE ME ILL GO BACK TO THIS BATTLECOCK

ethanol posted:

Dice is pretty well known for having more experimental modes during beta or at launch. Hell I think bad company 2 or maybe 1 didn’t even have conquest for the first few months. I was really turned off by that. They also have a track record of walking things back

Good lord I hope so. I had so much riding on BF2042 because I was really craving this style game bad and was so disappointed wiht this beta.

ethanol
Jul 13, 2007



Scherloch posted:

Questionable and speculative, but spoken as fact. Nice.

My opinions are in fact, fact

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.

Skyarb posted:

The removal of classes

You can play classes.

quote:

awful map design

Use some of the maps from older games that got prettied up.

quote:

are things I don't think we'll be "fixed" in 2042.

Literally at launch they promise the ability to deal with all that. Your concerns are, by the base game, already addressed. And even the potential for that to work makes it 9 million times better than BFV was at launch.

Dead Like Rev
Sep 6, 2010

"The dead walk among us."



Skyarb posted:

I get this. But I also don't fully agree. The removal of classes in conjunction with the seemingly awful map design are things I don't think we'll be "fixed" in 2042. Granted maybe its just orbital that is poo poo but the lack of classes seriously turns me off BF2042.

Okay then - you don't have to play, you can literally run along. Where's the problem? Don't poo poo up the thread where those of us who are actually going to play with constant "LMAO GUYS THIS ONE THAT ALL OF YOU HATE IS SOOOOO MUCH BETTER, I KNOW IT FOR A FACT CAUSE IVE PLAYED IT FOR SOOOO LONG <played it for literally 5 minutes> YOU GUYS SHOULD PLAY IT TOO CAUSE ITS SOOOO MUCH BETTER" Cause that's what you are doing. I genuinely dunno who is worse right now, you or the literal thread shitposter whose rap sheet is a mile longer.

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

ethanol posted:

My opinions are in fact, fact

What're you going to do if it turns out you're wrong

Are you prepared to live with that

ethanol
Jul 13, 2007



Fallom posted:

What're you going to do if it turns out you're wrong

Are you prepared to live with that

Yes I am acutely aware dice could abandon this game at any second but I hope they don’t

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Jul 19, 2008

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