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Volte posted:I thought Veth was a way more interesting character than Scanlan and Yasha's only problem is that Ashley wasn't around more to develop her (I think she came into her own after Blindspot ended anyway). Pike was kind of a nothing character who only had really one episode of her own. Beau and Keyleth are kind of on even footing to me as characters. Caleb and Vax are both Liam, what can I say. Jester is better than Vex no question. Fjord is really the only weak link in C2 I think, and mainly because Travis decided to throw his character arc into a lava pit (which wasn't a bad decision, but it kind of left a void in his plot).
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Oct 12, 2021 18:26
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Nothing pike did in all of c1 was half as fun as Yasha loving with Nott/Veth or her dates with Beau. The only time Pike was vaguely interesting was in the first couple episodes where she got dinged for being overly bloodthirsty.
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Oct 12, 2021 18:38
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Vando posted:C2 somehow managed to be both full of overarching plot threads and also never feel like anything properly tied together. The whole Cognouza/Lucien thing felt like it just sprang up out of the ground (ha) as a final boss arc, and the individual character arcs felt incredibly abrupt in their resolution (either by suddenly being wrapped up in the last few episodes GoT style, or by reaching semi-solid endpoints earlier in the campaign but never revisiting any consequences of that). C2 saw Matt design thematically: the M9 kept running into "hungry" things and things that were trapped and wanted to escape and things that not what they appeared to be, and things that were changing in positive ways or creepy ones. C1 was more straightforward and more "on rails" in terms of what the PCs needed to be doing. Both had their share of the players spinning their wheels in various ways. Exandria Unlimited S1 showed us an even more diffuse plot across a smaller story, where what was going on never seemed to cohere in-game. Some people enjoy the character interplay and PC arcs more, others prefer the big plotline. C2 would have been a failure if they'd simply tried to replicate C1, and some of the things that some people see as failures in C2, others see as successes (and vice versa). Personally, I was more interested to see how things like Caleb's character arc turned out, because those were things influenced by the campaign plot but ultimately centered on PC interactions. C1 there was never a risk of the PCs working for the Chroma Conclave or cutting a deal with Vecna, though Matt dangled some possibilities. C2 always felt inches from disaster.
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Narsham posted:Personally, I was more interested to see how things like Caleb's character arc turned out, because those were things influenced by the campaign plot but ultimately centered on PC interactions. C1 there was never a risk of the PCs working for the Chroma Conclave or cutting a deal with Vecna, though Matt dangled some possibilities. C2 always felt inches from disaster. Yeah, this was definitely a big positive for me. Caleb's arc was very much in the foreground for much of the latter half of the campaign and the things we learned from it were main-plot relevant throughout, as well as introducing interesting decisions in the run up to the climactic battle.
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Oct 12, 2021 18:48
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I think I liked C1's story, structure and pacing more, but I liked C2's characters, banter and general vibe more. (Though I can't be the only one who wasn't always charmed by Jester, right?) Overall favorite story arc has to be Briarwoods. I'm amazed at Travis's ability to perfectly perform as both the comedian and the straight man in a comedy duo. In any case I hope Liam plays a less morose character for campaign 3. When I first stared watching Vax was actually my favorite in the earliest episodes because he was very chipper and jokey. I liked what he did with Caleb, he was kind of a reverse Vax in that he started morose and gradually got better, and I loved the occasional dry humor. Still, I'd love to see Liam play a more lighthearted character. FlavoFibe fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Oct 12, 2021 |
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Oct 12, 2021 21:31
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FlavoFibe posted:I think I liked C1's story, structure and pacing more, but I liked C2's characters, banter and general vibe more. (Though I can't be the only one who wasn't always charmed by Jester, right?) Overall favorite story arc has to be Briarwoods. I dunno if he was kidding or not, or if he'll stick to it even if he was serious, but in one episode of Talks he said he planned for his next character to be a lighthearted halfling fighter with no backstory whatsoever. So....maybe? 
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Oct 12, 2021 21:46
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I hope so, that would be a nice change of pace. Someone hit the nail on the head earlier back in the thread when they said that pretty much everyone made characters with a backstory that would come back to haunt them, like Percy's. I'd like to see less of that for the next campaign, I think it would make it easier for Matt to tie things neatly together if he had fewer ends.
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jng2058 posted:I dunno if he was kidding or not, or if he'll stick to it even if he was serious, but in one episode of Talks he said he planned for his next character to be a lighthearted halfling fighter with no backstory whatsoever. So....maybe? Isn’t that his ExU character?
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jng2058 posted:I dunno if he was kidding or not, or if he'll stick to it even if he was serious, but in one episode of Talks he said he planned for his next character to be a lighthearted halfling fighter with no backstory whatsoever. So....maybe? It's funny because this is essentially his Exandria Unlimited character, clearly a departure for him that ended up having to sort of play the serious party leader because of the pure chaos that nearly everyone else brought. Robbie and Liam both got kind of sideswiped by Aimee, Ashley and especially Matt.
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Oct 12, 2021 21:57
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Senjuro posted:Pike and Yasha had some similar issues, namely frequent absences and Ashley's passivity, but where Pike comes out ahead, and what made her feel more active is that she was easier for others to bounce off of. She wasn't as gloomy, she had a strong connection with Grog and Scanlan, was considered the best person in the group, and as the cleric she was often essential. If nothing else the flashcards scene gives her the edge. I'm really looking forward to seeing an Ashley character with her able to be there full time, Fearne was great in ExU. Pike and Yasha definitely both suffered due to her Blindspott commitments, but she was doing well to keep engaged as she was with them. Trying to keep up with a campaign when real life commitments are keeping you away half the time is really hard.
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Senjuro posted:The good thing about the Vecna arc though is it was clearly set up much earlier and required no prodding by Matt to make the cast care about it. A thing I appreciated about C2 was that they faced a threat that they had a difficult time getting anyone to believe was even real, and doing what they do would be a mostly thankless job. They got some help from some key people, but like no one is going to give them a parade. In that situation motivation is a challenge. C2 is a more difficult story than C1. I think they did okay, but I think it would be better if C3 found a way to be simpler.
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Oct 13, 2021 02:22
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Pocky In My Pocket posted:How long into c3 do you think its gonna be to get a thread title change? I fall like 500 hours behind pretty drat quickly so I have to leave this thread unread, but if ya'll ever need a title change PM me or report a post in the thread with the title in it and for the reason put "Title Change." (A PM has 100% chance of me reading it, I'm not always the one to see TVIV reports) Making a season 3 thread will probably be a good idea too.
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Oct 13, 2021 03:03
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Athanatos posted:I fall like 500 hours behind pretty drat quickly so I have to leave this thread unread At one point we agreed in the thread to spoiler stuff from like Thursdays to when the YouTube video dropped so people wouldn't feel like they had to avoid the thread. That never really happened and since, because I don't have Twitch and only watch on YouTube I'd have to avoid the thread for half the week until I could watch the latest episode. Then I'd fall behind two or three or more episodes and would have to avoid the thread for months at a time to avoid spoilers. If we are going to a new thread I'd appreciate some kind of enforced spoiler tag policy. Whatever current thread consensus is, but just something that doesn't drive people who are not current out.
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Oct 13, 2021 04:24
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There is no other livewatch thread that requires people to spoiler what they are live watching. If it was something where they released like 13 episodes at once and you had people in different parts then sure, spoilers and episode number. But People are generally live watching and posting and that seems absurd to spoiler.
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Dexo posted:There is no other livewatch thread that requires people to spoiler what they are live watching. Well that would be fair if the live show was the only way to watch CR. But since they ALSO put it out on YouTube the next Monday, it's just polite not to banish all those watchers every weekend. Especially since three hours on a weeknight is a big ask for people who work or go to school on Friday mornings.
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Oct 13, 2021 05:08
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jng2058 posted:Well that would be fair if the live show was the only way to watch CR. But since they ALSO put it out on YouTube the next Monday, it's just polite not to banish all those watchers every weekend. Especially since three hours on a weeknight is a big ask for people who work or go to school on Friday mornings. TV shows are also put up the next day or two on vods. Like if I miss an episode I just don't go into the thread until I catch it. Because I think it's fair for people to be able to talk about it without having to constantly be clicking on spoilers or whatever. Dexo fucked around with this message at 05:13 on Oct 13, 2021 |
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Oct 13, 2021 05:11
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Half the reason I'm posting in the thread is for the liveposting aspect and I feel like that makes up a big chunk of the posts, too. It does suck when you fall behind on stuff but I think it's more like poster's discretion -- I wouldn't go into any show's thread that I'm behind on and not expect to see spoilers. At least for something like the Vox Machina show it'd probably make sense since it "airs" at 3am.
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Oct 13, 2021 05:14
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The Vox Machina show sure. Because that's a video on demand and isn't a shared experience type thing. People will pause rewind etc etc. But like imagine going into like a sports live watch thread and asking people not to spoil poo poo because they won't be able to catch the replay until it's up later in the week on the NFLs service. Or like the GoT thread or anything else where people are talking and having a shared experience over a live event.
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I agree about the live posting. The show is released at a reasonable-ish time and if something important happens (OUEVRE) the immediate thread reaction is so much fun! (also if I wake up and there are a lot of unread pages I know that it may be worth checking out in advance)
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Athanatos posted:Critical Role (on Twitch/Youtube, yes) - I fall like 500 hours behind pretty drat quickly so I have to leave this thread unread I mean, if we're soliciting early S3 thread titles, might as well just put this evergreen one right here 
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Oct 13, 2021 05:26
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Maybe a halfway decent compromise is to just put clear episode markers when things air like C3E1 spoilers beyond this post!! so people know where to stop reading until they're caught up.
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Oct 13, 2021 05:29
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Abroham Lincoln posted:Maybe a halfway decent compromise is to just put clear episode markers when things air like Wouldn't that be the weekly DAMMIT, SAM posts?  For me this is one of those shows I'll never watch completely so I don't worry about the backlog. I'll just watch the next week.
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jng2058 posted:Well that would be fair if the live show was the only way to watch CR. But since they ALSO put it out on YouTube the next Monday, it's just polite not to banish all those watchers every weekend. Especially since three hours on a weeknight is a big ask for people who work or go to school on Friday mornings. And that’s in the same timezone. Normally the shows start just as I start work on a Friday, so at best I catch the VOD 8-10 hours later, if not multiple days later. But I also agree, if spoilers are an issue for someone personally, it’s more on that person to avoid that asking a group to adjust. There’s a balance though. Reading through some of the livewatch sessions, I got basically a play-by-play sometimes.
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Just here to chime in on the live-posting aspect being part of my enjoyment of each weekly airing, even on days where I come to it later and in those cases I just hold off on opening the thread until I sit down to watch the episode.
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Oct 13, 2021 09:09
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Is the thread big enough for live spoiler chat to be split off into a separate thread maybe?
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Pinwiz11 posted:I agree about the live posting. The show is released at a reasonable-ish time I agree with the sentiment that it's up to individuals to avoid spoilers, I usually just avoid the thread between Thursday and Monday. I just wanted to reply to this post to point out that other time zones than the one you are in exist.
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Oct 13, 2021 10:37
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I think it's safe to live post without spoiler tags just because the show's schedule has been so consistent for six years now. When I can't watch live, I just stop reading the thread until I can catch up Monday. The only 'spoiler' I run into is when the thread goes from six unread posts to three hundred unread posts Friday morning, I know it's going to be a good one.
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If thread consensus is not to bother with it then I'm not going to make a fuss about it. It'll just mean that I personally will basically have to bow out while campaigns are running and that sucks but its also life so whatevs. I figured I wasn't the only person in this position so it was worth bringing up as a point of discussion.
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Dameius posted:If thread consensus is not to bother with it then I'm not going to make a fuss about it. It'll just mean that I personally will basically have to bow out while campaigns are running and that sucks but its also life so whatevs. I figured I wasn't the only person in this position so it was worth bringing up as a point of discussion. It’s definitely a valuable topic to discuss. Having live discussion mixed into a broader discussion thread makes things difficult. At the same time I don’t know if the thread is active enough to justify a live thread and a separate discussion thread?
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Oct 13, 2021 17:00
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Maybe a separate live watch thread for big episodes? For example, next week's episode 1 or the live episodes. The only issue is that an episode that goes from normal to OMG wouldn't be in a separate thread.
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Lucas Archer posted:Here’s hoping Matt stealth re-introduces Spelljammer. Doesn't have too, looks a lot like WotC is already doing so. They put some major races from 2e Spelljammer up for playtesting just recently so unless they're loving with us Spelljammer is coming back in the near future. https://dnd.wizards.com/articles/unearthed-arcana/travelers-multiverse The autognome, thri-kreen, giff and plamsoids are pretty much only seen in Spelljammer so the fact they're playtesting the races is a good sign. Took them long enough too. That would be a hell of a playtest for it, though, if they got Crit Role to work it in. First small adventure is just a standard dungeon crawl but they find a salvageable Helm at the end, fix it up and off to wildpsace they go.
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seaborgium posted:The autognome, thri-kreen, giff and plamsoids are pretty much only seen in Spelljammer so the fact they're playtesting the races is a good sign. okay quote:The giff are split into two camps concerning how their wotc must be stopped
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I can see the reasoning but I think we have to keep it in one thread and don't want to see the live commentary get spoiler barred. If you're a youtube watcher then I think avoiding the thread Thursday until Monday then picking up where you left off is best, just as if you'd DVR'd a weeknight show to watch on the weekend. I can see the cartoon getting the usual netflix/prime spoiler rules, but the twitch stream shouldn't have any. One exception would be when they do a live show and then put it on stream/YT weeks later, the attendees and people reading spoilers/recaps should black bar discussion until it gets added to their youtube channel. I think that's only happened once or twice though? My own viewing is weird, I watch the first half live, catch the rest on twitch or youtube depending on how engaged I am in finishing the episode, and usually don't shy away from reading the thread Friday morning to see what I missed. If CR3 is Spelljammer I'll be staying up way too late to watch it all live.
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I was so disappointed that they didn't find a working Helm for Caleb to hook up to the Ball Eater in campaign two. I was sure they were heading for that.
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seaborgium posted:Doesn't have too, looks a lot like WotC is already doing so. They put some major races from 2e Spelljammer up for playtesting just recently so unless they're loving with us Spelljammer is coming back in the near future. Thri-Kreen are Dark Sun originally, but that is the other rumored set to come back as well. Doubt that would get a mention in Critical Role, but who knows if they get to do one-shots as pre-releases/promos for WotC going forward.
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I'd watch the gently caress out of CR: Space Adventures let me tell you. e: On Mondays after avoiding this thread for a few days.
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Time to get intimate with Matt.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYBM3myR914
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TotalHell posted:It’s definitely a valuable topic to discuss. Having live discussion mixed into a broader discussion thread makes things difficult. From what I saw during C2, this thread is not at all active enough to support both a live watch thread and a discussion thread. Unless there is community drama we rarely have much to talk about other than the current episode, and most of that discussion tends to happen as the episode airs or shortly after it.
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