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Zlodo posted:playing a japanese version of fantasy star online on the Dreamcast, which involved using my Amiga as router to change the IP packets TTL on the fly because the Dreamcast sent them with a TTL that was too low to make it to the japanese servers from france this is wild
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Jonny 290 posted:Nice. I remember a dark age in broadband where ISPs figured out they could sniff packet TTL coming out of your connection, if it was 63 you were using their (obviously lovely) router, if it was 62 you were using it as a bridge and using your own router which they got real mad at. Solution was to pop some iptables rules into your router to +1 the TTL this still works if your mobile provider meters or restricts tethering
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The_Franz posted:this still works if your mobile provider meters or restricts tethering The weird thing is this works for every single cell provider except T Mobile. I to this day have no idea how they detect it. The TTL trick worked for me on Verizon and AT&T. Not t mobile.
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Jonny 290 posted:oh that reminds me of the fad where kids were using a text notification ringtone that was just a 16khz sine wave that teachers couldn't hear lmao This is pretty clever, I'm impressed.
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mediaphage posted:if i could get one of those 1080 HD CRT tvs for watching videos on i probably would, would be great out in the shop check your local Craigslist for “Trinitron” you’ll find a few for cheap or free in any large metro today because everyone is upgrading and they cost money to recycle and they’re also like 150lbs lol
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eschaton posted:check your local Craigslist for “Trinitron” nope i check periodically and assholes want like $200 for people to have the privilege of coming and getting them (plus here as ive said recycling them is free)
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crts are weird in the realm of vintage tech. I work in e-recycling and crts are one of the only vintage technologies that have not only depreciated drastically, but gotten more costly to deal with. yeah nobody wants that old VCR deck, but as a recycler I can at least get something out of it. the only way I can do that with CRT’s is to mark up my costs on them CRT’s are just a chain of ever increasing markups. there are literally executives at the top of major recyclers going to prison for mishandling CRT recycling. it’s insane how expensive and problematic they’ve become from an ewaste standpoint, so yeah, people should just be giving them away if possible.
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and they're some of the hardest things to repair too. a VCR or cassette deck may need a belt kit. stereo might need an electrolytic cap job. CRT? enjoy seeing your life flash before your eyes as you do a high voltage filter cap replacement and attempt to replace a whining flyback transformer. I will gently caress with a battery bank that can burst discharge 1,000 amps at 12v, i'll run coax cables with hundreds of watts of RF across a bench next to a cup of coffee, but I will never open a CRT that has been powered on in the past year.
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Jonny 290 posted:and they're some of the hardest things to repair too. a VCR or cassette deck may need a belt kit. stereo might need an electrolytic cap job. CRT? enjoy seeing your life flash before your eyes as you do a high voltage filter cap replacement and attempt to replace a whining flyback transformer. pretty much same
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They seem to be getting a bit of love in the retro gaming scene, but I think those people are very particular about which models they'll use. Legit though a friend of mine was asking about whether it's a good idea to just walk off with one from the e-waste site in his town. (Sounds like probably yes!)
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Oct 15, 2021 14:06
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Yeah my brother's way into 90s consoles and picked up one of those gray sony PVMs what with the eighteen billion knobs and the BNC inputs and all that. looks awesome
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shoeberto posted:They seem to be getting a bit of love in the retro gaming scene, but I think those people are very particular about which models they'll use. Legit though a friend of mine was asking about whether it's a good idea to just walk off with one from the e-waste site in his town. (Sounds like probably yes!) A lot of ewaste places will give away CRT's. Someone already paid them to take it, and if you take it for free it means they can pocket that money and not pay it to the next step in the chain of recyclers.
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I watch a lot of antique/vintage electronics channels on Youtube that restore CRT TVs (mostly 50s-70s sets because those tend to use mostly general-purpose components and not the unobtanium proprietary parts that 80s and later sets tend to use) and it's doable, but definitely on the harder side for hobbyist electronics. Part of the difficulty is that you definitely need to have the right tools to do it, and many of those tools (especially a high-voltage probe (which also lets you safely discharge the CRT), a CRT tester so you know if the tube is any good in the first place, and a professional signal generator to generate all the test signals you need to verify and align each portion of the set) haven't been made since the 90s since that's when TVs transitioned from being expensive items that were worth it to fix to being disposable items you just replaced when they broke.
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repair industries have changed wildly over the past few decades. There are so many fewer points of failure - you'll almost never see things like a blown power transistor or whatever any more - but filter caps are always rotting, and will eventually always need to be replaced. It's why i completely ignore the "NIB vintage 80's ham radio" listings for high prices on ebay. I don't care if it's still wrapped in the original plastic, it needs a cap job.
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:crts are weird in the realm of vintage tech. I work in e-recycling and crts are one of the only vintage technologies that have not only depreciated drastically, but gotten more costly to deal with. yeah nobody wants that old VCR deck, but as a recycler I can at least get something out of it. the only way I can do that with CRT’s is to mark up my costs on them The bolded part sounded too shocking to believe, so I searched and apparently this is in fact true! How are computer recycling companies not getting away with doing the traditional "recycling" solution of "selling" the CRTs to a company in another country who just "accidentally" drops them out of the boat after pickup?
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Volmarias posted:How are computer recycling companies not getting away with doing the traditional "recycling" solution of "selling" the CRTs to a company in another country who just "accidentally" drops them out of the boat after pickup? That's what we were doing with most of our regular home recycling and China basically said they were done with it: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2021/01/10/china-quits-recycling-us-trash-as-sustainable-start-up-makes-strides/?sh=152a24a55a56
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I once accidentally CRT TV set and all the televisions hissed out the back. I don't know why I tugged at the "plug" but I didn't think it would just come off dead easy and let all the uhh gas out? Air in? IDK. Also, why the gently caress was it exposed without dismantling anything? And why was the back shell of the TV cardboard? The wonders of European 1970s televisionity.
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mediaphage posted:nope come to think of it, when my friend's uncle died last year, he had one of those huge 40" XBR tubes as well as a CRT rear projection and they had to pay someone to haul them away because nobody would take them for free e: if you want people who are really delusional about the value of old tvs, a few years ago there were people asking four figgies for early generation edtv plasma displays that doubled as space heaters because "it cost $10k new" The_Franz fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Oct 15, 2021 |
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3D Megadoodoo posted:I once accidentally CRT TV set and all the televisions hissed out the back. I don't know why I tugged at the "plug" but I didn't think it would just come off dead easy and let all the uhh gas out? Air in? IDK. As in you pulled off the connector on the back of the tube? That by itself shouldn't have broken the vacuum, though the "neck" of the CRT (as that part is called) is usually the most fragile part of it so it's definitely possible if you used more than a gentle amount of force. If the neck was just exposed out of the back of the set then the set was probably missing the part of the back cover that was supposed to cover the neck (which usually was the part of the set that determined how "deep" the cabinet needed to be, so sometimes a bump-out extension on the back cover was used to make the rest of the cabinet thinner). Mr.Radar fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Oct 15, 2021 |
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The_Franz posted:come to think of it, when my friend's uncle died last year, he had one of those huge 40" XBR tubes as well as a CRT rear projection and they had to pay someone to haul them away because nobody would take them for free i have one of those edtvs. honestly it’s surprisingly not bad for watching anything 720p and below, playing ps4 on, etc. also have the commodore hooked up to it
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3D Megadoodoo posted:I once accidentally CRT TV set and all the televisions hissed out the back. I'm reading this as "I once accidentally hurt a CRT TV set and all of the other televisions in the back hissed at me" and I much prefer this version.
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Just remembered download accelerator, which was a hotly debated "turbo button" piece of software
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Volmarias posted:I'm reading this as "I once accidentally hurt a CRT TV set and all of the other televisions in the back hissed at me" and I much prefer this version. 🎵i. hurt my set…today🎶
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El Mero Mero posted:Just remembered download accelerator, which was a hotly debated "turbo button" piece of software i used this all the time. it just found other mirrors and would do simultaneous downloads of individual chunks and combine them in the end. no idea how it found other mirrors tho
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Zlodo posted:playing a japanese version of fantasy star online on the Dreamcast, which involved using my Amiga as router to change the IP packets TTL on the fly because the Dreamcast sent them with a TTL that was too low to make it to the japanese servers from france Jesus. I remember being proud of getting a utopia bootdisk set-up to play shenmue but i could never get phantasy star online to work...that's ridiculous
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drawing a line in pencil between jumpers on the family amd duron to unlock overclocking
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first time ever using a keygen for the quake 1 demo disc that unlocked all of the id software games
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polyester concept posted:first time ever using a keygen for the quake 1 demo disc that unlocked all of the id software games That disk with all the ID games was attached to a lot of PC magazines at the time. In the UK at least.
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Jonny 290 posted:and they're some of the hardest things to repair too. a VCR or cassette deck may need a belt kit. stereo might need an electrolytic cap job. CRT? enjoy seeing your life flash before your eyes as you do a high voltage filter cap replacement and attempt to replace a whining flyback transformer. I know a bunch of people who work on CRTs in the retrocomputing scene, they’re not that bad, you just have to know how to discharge them and work with them safety (one hand in your pocket, tools made of insulators, that sort of thing) I’ve even done a tiny bit myself with classic Macs and terminals, nothing beyond just replacing parts but I’m far more worried about necking a tube than I am about high voltage when the CRT isn’t operating much, much more difficult is fixing “CRT cataracts” where the adhesive between the implosion/radiation shield glass and the actual picture tube is breaking down to do that you need to remove the implosion shield via VERY EVEN AND STEADY heating to loosen all the adhesive at once, clean both it and the actual CRT, and then reattach it with a modern adhesive it’s very easy to crack the implosion shield via uneven heating with a heat gun—at that point the CRT is still fine, but good luck finding another glass that fits perfectly if your tube is non standard (like say my friend’s AT&T BLIT terminal, with its portrait orientation) so you’re going to get a nice little dose of X-rays every time you use it I have one “reasonable, standard” tube that needs fixing this way, a DEC VR241 monitor that’s part of a VT240 color terminal, and an oddball custom tube that needs fixing in the form of an HP 2647A widescreen graphics Terminal from the late 1970s which I do not look forward to
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Jonny 290 posted:Yeah my brother's way into 90s consoles and picked up one of those gray sony PVMs what with the eighteen billion knobs and the BNC inputs and all that. looks awesome they really are, PVM and BVM are excellent, I picked up an 8in PVM for like $25 before prices shot up and (with tuner) it’s perfect for our 2600, original PlayStation, etc.
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:A lot of ewaste places will give away CRT's. Someone already paid them to take it, and if you take it for free it means they can pocket that money and not pay it to the next step in the chain of recyclers. yeah just don’t walk off with one, there may need to be paperwork involved for risk management on the part or the recycler, they’ll probably be happy to do that paperwork though and get the hot potato out of their hands I expect to pretty much never be rid of any CRT that I acquire, so I try to be judicious—I just got a couple of SGI 20in Trinitron displays, which I considered a bit risky I had an rear end in a top hat try to sell me a DEC VAXmate with a necked tube at full price and just gently caress everything about that, even if I could source a replacement tube and wanted to spend time calibrating it, I don’t know how I’d rid myself of the busted one (though at least I’d get a spare implosion guard out of it)
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polyester concept posted:i used this all the time. it just found other mirrors and would do simultaneous downloads of individual chunks and combine them in the end. no idea how it found other mirrors tho I thought about it for a minute and I think I'd do it by sending the URL and a hash of every downloaded file back to a central server. You just collect all the URLs that you've seen linked to that hash and over some period of time boom there's your database. If the file was popular, like a game demo, and you had a big userbase I bet it would happen pretty quickly. Alternately in that era it could have been just a manually updated index that covered the most popular downloads. The internet was a lot smaller back then.
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mediaphage posted:🎵i. hurt my set…today🎶 lol
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Boody posted:That disk with all the ID games was attached to a lot of PC magazines at the time. In the UK at least. pretty sure that's where i got it, in canada tho. it was rad because it also had the quake 1 soundtrack that could play in a regular CD player. it was really magical feeling to me as a kid at the time, that a demo cd could contain the full versions of all those games plus all of that music.
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Jonny 290 posted:and they're some of the hardest things to repair too. a VCR or cassette deck may need a belt kit. stereo might need an electrolytic cap job. CRT? enjoy seeing your life flash before your eyes as you do a high voltage filter cap replacement and attempt to replace a whining flyback transformer. I picked up a Yamaha tape deck from Goodwill recently and when I opened it up to make sure it wasn't full of cockroach eggs I was greeted by this:  Physical separation of circuit modules!! Labels on the board!! Look at all those clearly marked trimpots!! God I miss when all electronics were built this way. You could literally use this board in an electronics 102 course. 
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Sagebrush posted:God I miss when all electronics were built this way. You could literally use this board in an electronics 102 course
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Sagebrush posted:Physical separation of circuit modules!! Labels on the board!! Look at all those clearly marked trimpots!! God I miss when all electronics were built this way. You could literally use this board in an electronics 102 course. it was probably as glamourous as being a computer janitor, but you could probably make a decent living running an electronic repair shop in the 70s and 80s. now all you see is the places that will fix your phone screens.
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:crts are weird in the realm of vintage tech. I work in e-recycling and crts are one of the only vintage technologies that have not only depreciated drastically, but gotten more costly to deal with. yeah nobody wants that old VCR deck, but as a recycler I can at least get something out of it. the only way I can do that with CRT’s is to mark up my costs on them I was gonna take a CRT to an ewaste day but my friend told me they're starting to be worth something on ebay for VINTAGE COMPUTING. It was just a not special 17" Dell CRT, but a comparable one on ebay sold for $80 + $150 or something. But then when I tested it out the colors were messed up so I decided to scrap that, I didn't really want to deal with shipping it anyway.
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eschaton posted:I know a bunch of people who work on CRTs in the retrocomputing scene, they’re not that bad, you just have to know how to discharge them and work with them safety (one hand in your pocket, tools made of insulators, that sort of thing) there used to be a couple of places that still rebuilt crt tubes, hawkeye in the us and racs in france, however both closed their doors in the last decade. i think a lot of the equipment wound up at a tv museum somewhere in ohio. the process is neat to see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3G7b-DcOO4
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