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Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



King of Bleh posted:

Maximum fuckery: Hinako is human, Komaeda is human, Gin is a doll and has been the whole time. Because why not.

Fuckery turned to 11: Everyone is a doll brain implanted into a human body except for the dolls who are human brains implanted into doll bodies.

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Fumbles
Mar 22, 2013

Can I get a reroll?

There's just way too much variance going on here. There's got to be some sort of 'purge' coming up where the dolls all get wiped out, or there's only one or two real ways this can go. Either way-

:suspense:

Mraagvpeine
Nov 4, 2014

I won this avatar on a technicality this thick.
There's something I'm wondering. We're all so focused on red or blue that we're ignoring yellow and what that means.

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

Mraagvpeine posted:

There's something I'm wondering. We're all so focused on red or blue that we're ignoring yellow and what that means.

:pisstape:

curiousCat
Sep 23, 2012

Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?
Yeah, Hinako was the human. They never saw her death on video. Everyone else's videos showed them being killed. Hinako's was never shown.

Hinako was human the whole time. If Sara had taken a 50% shot, she would've actually been guaranteeing Gin's death. Instead, she guaranteed that she gets to kill Komaeda. This one, at least.

Eeepies
May 29, 2013

Bocchi-chan's... dead.
We'll have to find a new guitarist.
If Komeada is indeed a robot, isn't Sara at a huge disadvantage here? There's only 2 humans (Gin, Hinako (i'm assuming Hinako is human for now)), and tons of robots in them, so unless Sara can get it correct on either of the first two tries, Komaeda wins?

... unless instead of the dummies entering to begin with, all the humans entered instead...

curiousCat
Sep 23, 2012

Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

Eeepies posted:

If Komeada is indeed a robot, isn't Sara at a huge disadvantage here? There's only 2 humans (Gin, Hinako (i'm assuming Hinako is human for now)), and tons of robots in them, so unless Sara can get it correct on either of the first two tries, Komaeda wins?

... unless instead of the dummies entering to begin with, all the humans entered instead...

They have all the paint and stuff. They narrowed it down to 4, right? Minus suit n specs, minus Hinako, leaves only Gin and Komaeda.

Eeepies
May 29, 2013

Bocchi-chan's... dead.
We'll have to find a new guitarist.
Ok, I reread everything again because I got confused
Initially - 9 coffins. 5 glow.

1. Gin - glowing coffin - human
2. Komaeda - glowing coffin - ?
3. Anzu - destroyed coffin - dummy
4. Keiji - non-glowing coffin - human
5. Ranmaru - non-glowing coffin - dummy
6. Kurumada - glowing/non-glowing?, dummy
7. Mai - glowing /non-glowing?, dummy

8. Hiyasaka - glowing coffin, dummy
9. Hinako - glowing coffin, human

Because Gin and Komaeda's coffins are brand-new, it's assumed that both their coffins are glowing, so one of Kurumada/Mai aren't glowing.

Which means that among the 3 glowing coffins left, one is a human (Gin), one is a dummy (Kurumada/Mai), and one more is unknown (Komaeda).
Which also means that Sara's next turn is quite screwed? Assuming the following:

If Komaeda is a human:
The game is screwed no matter what. There is no point to the hints because a glowing blue-light coffin has a 50-50 chance of consisting Gin or Komaeda. So, I got a feeling Komaeda can't be a human.

If Komaeda is a dummy:
If Sara hints a blue glowing coffin (33%), it's Gin, so she has a 50-50 chance of winning by choosing one of the other coffins.
If Sara hints a red glowing coffin (66%), it's either Komaeda or a dummy, so she has to choose it (50%). If she doesn't succeed, Komaeda always wins next turn because he hints one of the glowing and whacks Gin.
She always has a 50/50 if she hints a glowing coffin.

But what if Komaeda does it? (Sara can skip by whacking... Anzu... since her one is obvious).
If Komaeda hints a blue glowing coffin(33%), he wins.
If Komaeda hints a red glowing coffin (66%), he has a 50-50 of winning or shooting himself.
Komaeda has a 66% chance of winning, and a 33% chance of losing.

Not good odds for Sara at all?

HydroSphere
Feb 11, 2014







"Hinako!!"

"Nooo...!!"

"S... Shorty..."

"H-Hey... Why was it Hinako?!"

"Blue should be Gin or Komaeda, right?!"

"What is happening?! Was our reasoning mistaken...?!"

"We've made some major mistake...!"

"Everyone, calm down!! L-Let's calmly have another discussion...!"

"I... I can't! The situation's changed completely..."

"If we get picked, we're gonna be killed without a trace of us leeeft!!"

(Please! Calm down...!)

Music stops.






"According to the hint, Hinako was human..."

"All our reasoning was way off the mark! Should we rethink everything from scratch?!"

"It's absolutely not right that Komaeda could pick that coffin so easily!!"

"The lamps came up red and blue, thus...! The info on the coffin control screen must be true!"

"What's goin' on?! Hinako had a victim video, too!"

"A-Am I... going to get killed like that, meow...?"

Extract statement from Kanna.

"According to the hint, Hinako was human..."

"That drill doesn't have any blood on it..."

"But then, if we could judge based on that, that would remove the need for a hint..."

(It might be designed so we can't put it together using blood, yeah...)

"I guess... all we can do is think about "Hinako's past actions!"

"Did Hinako do anything like switch parts that only a doll could do...?"

Extract statement from Alice.

"The lamps came up red and blue, thus...! The info on the coffin control screen must be true!"

"It all makes sense...! Only the outcome was wrong! Why?!"

Extract statement from Gin.

"A-Am I... going to get killed like that, meow...?"

"Oogh... I'm gonna get torn up by a drill, woof..."

"Calm down, Gin!! We absolutely won't let that happen...!"

"I-I can't help remembering, meow... Those scary videos we saw before... Muscle punk getting squished by the walls... The blood from cotton candy's stomach.. Clown lady getting cut up... Suit-and-specs and the axe... Everyone had such pained faces, meow..."

"Gin...!!"



"But... I'm scared, meow... Sorry, big sis Sara..."

(We will save you...! Hold on, Gin!!)

Extract statement from Mai.

"It's absolutely not right that Komaeda could pick that coffin so easily!!"

"He's cheating...! He must have it rigged somehow!

Cheating how, though...?"

"We're all just going to get killed! This isn't even a game at all!!"

(Mai...!)

Extract statement from Kurumada.

"All our reasoning was way off the mark! Should we rethink everything from scratch?!"

"Now's our only chance to retrace our steps, Sara!!"

(He's too rattled for us to talk calmly...!)

Extract statement from Ranmaru.

"What's goin' on?! Hinako had a victim video, too!"

"I remember it too...!"

"You could clearly tell she was dying... Her legs were in midair like she was hung from something, right?"

"And yet... Why would Hinako be human?!"

Conflict Gin against Ranmaru.

Music stops.

"Pained faces, huh..."

"Yeah, I'll bet... Hinako was only a middle-schooler."

"As much as she tried to endure... She must've wept..."

"...Huh?"

"That's weird... I saw the video, but I don't remember Hinako's expression..."

"Ah...! Um... it actually makes sense you can't remember."





"Ahhh! That's right!!"

"Is that not rather suspect?!"

"Not only are we unsure if she really died..."



"Well, still! She got called Hinako during the exchange in the video, right?!"

"True enough, but something doesn't feel right..."

"Listen... Supposing the reasoning we have made thus far is not wrong..."

"It would be Hinako herself that's strange!"

(A good point... Looking back, there were a lot of mysteries to Hinako's actions. Is there a hidden truth here...? We might want to think about her a little more...)

"Understood! Let's have a discussion about Hinako!"

"That's if we trust our theories, 'course..."

"But I'll go with it! Gotta suspect to trust...! That's what our discussions are all about!"

Music stops.






"First... if Hinako was really human..."

"Does that mean she was just acting as if she died in that video?!"

"Wait... If her face wasn't pictured, does another conceivable possibility not emerge...?"

"The Hinako in the victim video and the Hinako with the Dummies are entirely different peopleeeee!!"

"Is there any other clue 'sides the victim videos...?"

Extract statement from Alice.

"The Hinako in the victim video and the Hinako with the Dummies are entirely different peopleeeee!!"

"I suspect the real Hinako died as in the video!"

"However... a mystery person took Hinako's place to blend in with the Dummies!!"

"And surely they'd disguise their appearance to make sure they weren't found out, right?!"

"Simply wear a middle-school blazer, gaudy socks, and dye your hair pink, and presto, it's Hinako!"

(Is that plausible...?)

Extract statement from Q-taro.

"Is there any other clue 'sides the victim videos...?"

"Hey, Sara... You remember seein' anything other than those videos that involved the victims?"



"Well, we saw something in the gallery. On the wall, there were paintings of those like Nao who had become victims..."

"Whoaaa! Yer right!"

"Oh yeah! There was one'a those paintings I was wonderin' about...!"

"Oh?! Which one was it?!"

".........."

"Can't remember that part...!"

"Whaaa?!"

"Urghh... Know it's a pretty minor memory, but c'mon..."

(What should I do? If I have something that can jog Q-taro's memory, I might want to show it to him...)

Extract statement from Kanna.

"Does that mean Hinako was just acting as if she died in that video?!"

"If you think about it, nothing directly deadly was pictured in the video...!"

"All the other Dummies had knives or axes or other execution devices in theirs, yet..."

"True... That is strange."

"What could it possibly mean...?"

Show lantern to Q-taro.

"Ohh?! What's up? You gonna use that to help me remember?!"

"Yes! Take a good luck at this...!"



(Let's look for a notable painting here...!)

Look at the picture of the bed.

"Guessin' this was Kanna's sister who got killed by the bed device in the First Trial..."

Look at the picture of Nao.

"Nao...! Our ally who we couldn't save in the Main Game...!!"

Look at the picture of Megumi (next to Joe.)

"I'm pretty sure that's Megumi, Keiji's former boss who he was with in the First Trial...!

Look at the picture of Joe.

“Q-Quit it with that, Sara...!”

Look at the picture of Sou.

"The painting of Sou smilin'! It's got a cheery aura I'd never expect from the Sou we know!"

Look at the picture of Komaeda.

"The talking Komaeda painting! Bettin' it's somethin' simpler than a whole AI!"

Look at the photo of the black haired girl on the ground.

"This one's a mystery... A painting of a girl in a middle-school blazer an' gaudy socks, with plain black hair."



"Q-taro, please add that to your statement!"

"You got it!"

Conflict Q-taro against Alice.

Music stops.

"Ahem, Barbecue-Taro!! Does that not almost describe Hinako...?!"

"H-Hey... Calm down, now."

"Similar as they might be, her most distinctive pink hair's different!"

"Havin' the same clothes but different hair... That'd just be..."



".........."



“A-A different person...?!"

"It appears it's gaining credibility...!"

"Now! Listen well, all of you...!"










Music stops.



"No way... Can't be...!"



"Hinako was...?!"

"Shorty was a human, meow?!"

"H-Hey... But then, is Komaeda not human?!"

"I have Komaeda's human hands, don't I...?!"

"Uh... well...!"

(I don't know... But I can't imagine either theory is wrong! What is the truth about Komaeda...?!)

Music stops.



"I'll make one rebuttal of my own to your theory."

"What...?"

"The Dummies were explained to you at the start..."



"Meaning..."

"Uh-huh! I picked the real Hinako!"






"...?!"

"A black-haired Hinako in the Dummies...?!"

"Yep!"

"Well? Did anyone meet black-haired Hinako, even just one time?"

".........."

".........."

".........."

".........."

"N-No... we didn't..."

"Oh dear... Then it looks like your reasoning's gone wrong again, miss Sara."

(No way...!)

"Does no one have any ideas?! I mean, does anyone remember talking to her even a little...?!"

"Ahaha..."

"Urgh...!!"

Music stops.



".........."

"Alice...?"





"Well... er..."

"Do you recall when you first met me...? When we met...?"





"Hey... Sara Chidouin..."

"Do you perhaps have something on you that comes to mind...?"

Show Voice Recorder to Alice.



"...Alice, you're talking about this, right?"

"Indeed..."

"That's a voice recorder, with a recording for a pair First Trial."

"...Listen to it once more."

I pressed the switch on the speaker.







".........."

"The location was... the locker room."

"Surely, it was a trial split between Floor 4 and 5, where you kept in communication..."

"Yet I...! I just let it pass through my ears, and thoughtlessly left the room...!"

"I'm sure the other person died...!! I won the trial by betraying them!!"





"No way..."

"This is why the real Hinako did not become one of the Dummies..."



"Stripey..."

"I'm truly the worst... I..."

  • Poor Alice, finally freed of the guilt from killing Komeaeda, only to find out he killed Hinako.

"No, woof! It's not your fault, meow!!"

"It's the kidnappers' fault for making us do this, woof...!!"

"...Gin..."

(This is terrible... We really are just thoroughly being played with like toys... But...)

"Thanks to this... we've solved the mystery of Hinako! Without question, the Dummies Hinako was human!"

Music stops.

"Then what are these hands attached to me...?"



"...As a reward, I'll tell you. Like you worked out, I gave Mai my living hands..."

"But... even so..."












Music stops.

"Well? Surprised?"



"Y-You... You clearly ain't human...!"

"Eheheh! I gave up my humanity!"



"O... Oogh..."

"...If my body's over 50% doll, surely you would consider me a doll, right?"

"In this way, the body can also be a majority vote!"

".........."

"...Fine, then. If Komaeda is considered a doll... It all makes sense. Gin is blue, Komaeda is red...!!"

"This, we can be sure of!!"

"Whoaaaaa!! Now we can tell 'em apart!!"

".........."

"Well, do your worst."

Music stops.

"If you think that alone will mean victory..."

"Well now... You seem tired of discussion. Shall we have the challenging team use their hint?"





I summoned my resolve...and pressed the lamp.





"We're safe! Red means... it is not Gin Ibushi!"

"If this is Komaeda... we are victorious!!"

"That's true..."

"Truly, I would like to have a discussion where we decide which coffin to select..."

"But in all honesty... We have no choice but to select this coffin."



"Yes... At least we won't risk hitting Gin!"

"Everyone..."

Music stops.

"You really okay with that...?"



"...What, Komaeda?"

"Picking red means you might be picking one of the Dummies, right?"

"There'll be no trace of them left... You okay with that?"

"Guh...!!"

"That's...!!"



"You'll surely pick an ally, miss Sara..."

"...!!"

(Grr... Komaeda... What's with his confidence? Our reasoning should be right... We should be backing him into a corner... So then... why isn't he scared? Why doesn't he fear death...?)



Is our logic really correct...?





(...?!)

"Choose it...! A red coffin, so you can win!!"

"M... Mai!!"



"We can't let someone like him live..."

"This demon who tramples on people's happiness... Their lives...!!"

(...Mai...)






"I'll protect Gin...! I swear it!!"

"Big sis Sara..."

Music stops.

(Now... I just have to choose. And this time... we'll hit him! We'll defeat Komaeda and win!!)



(This one...I choose... the coffin I used the hint on... I'll trust my gut...! I'll defeat Komaeda... and protect everyone...!!)

I selected the coffin.

"Ohh...! Well? Is it the right one?!"










"Too bad! You hit Mai!"

"Nooooo!! Maaaaai...!!"

"poo poo...! Why Mai?! Why not me...?!"

"What's goin' on?! Ahh...! Mai!!"

"A-Again... I missed again...?!"

"Ahaha! See? You drilled through an ally!!"

"I-I can't handle this...!"

"They're all going to be killed! Gin... and the Dummies...!!"

"E-Everyone! Be calm!! This match hasn't been decided yet...!"

Music stops.

"Oh, but hasn't it?"

"W-What's that...?!"

"You're the ones who aren't calm."

"Here, let me summarize. How many glowing coffins are there in total?"



“Five...!”

"Correct! There are five glowing coffins!"



"I'll use a hint on one of the remaining two coffins."

"I-If you do that, then...!!"

"Whether it comes up blue or red, I'll know the answer with 100% certainty."

(...This is... absurd...)

There's no strength left in my legs. Komaeda's explanation is correct. I was thinking only about if we hit him, not what would happen if we missed.He'll be able to select Gin with certainty next.




"...Have... I... lost...?"

"Ahaha... That's right..."

"Come on, stand up, Miss Sara. You still have a role, don't you?"

"A role...?"

"To finish this out..."



"I'll let you say your goodbyes too, yes...?"

".........."

Goodbyes...? Is this... our last moment with Gin? That can't be...

"I see, so you feel too bad to show him your face..."

"Alright, Meister! I'll just have you do it..."

"W... Wait... I'll do it...! I'll do it, so... stop it...!!"

"Well then, chop chop!"

"Will it be blue? Or will it be red? I'm so exciteeed!"

(My mind... isn't working...)



"You okay there, missy?"

"Komaeda specified a glowing coffin, right? If you can't do it, I'll do it for ya."

(...A glowing coffin...)



I can't think at all anymore... And yet... I did as Komaeda said... I pressed... the lamp.



(It lit up... blue...)





"No... way..."

"Big sis Sara...!!"

"I...!! I..."

"...Gin..."

"Please, stop...!!"

"This is just... meaningless...!

"Stop it, Komaeda!! You've had your fun, surely!"

"You intend to harm a child such as him?!"

“Ahahahahahaha! I've hardly begun having fun!!"



"Big sis Sara..."

".........."

"I'm sorry... meow..."

(Gin...)

"Why are... you apologizing, Gin...? ...I'm sorry..."




"That's not true...!!"

"...!!"

"Because... you were there, big sis Sara..."



"...No... I can't do this!! This is...!!"


PlasticAutomaton
Nov 12, 2016

Artoria Pendonut


:stare:

Oh god oh gently caress.

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?
Calling it now:

Komaeda's gonna hit blue and drill himself.

C...
Jan 22, 2008

Tootin the Doom Flute has led the Kingdom of Ankist into a new age of illumination. Every morning, people wake up and open palm slam a woodwind instrument into their mouth. It is the Doom Flute and right then and there they start playing the notes. They play every note, and they play every note hard

girl dick energy posted:

Calling it now:

Komaeda's gonna hit blue and drill himself.



If.

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?
It'll also be an incredibly satisfying end to the fucker.

King of Bleh
Mar 3, 2007

A kingdom of rats.
I kind of have a hunch that everything since last update when we selected ’komaeda is a human’ has been a locked-in bad end, and the correct choice was the other fork where we concluded he’s a doll.

Also, how would the Alice reveal have worked if he were dead at this point?

Hypocrisy
Oct 4, 2006
Lord of Sarcasm

King of Bleh posted:

I kind of have a hunch that everything since last update when we selected ’komaeda is a human’ has been a locked-in bad end, and the correct choice was the other fork where we concluded he’s a doll.

Also, how would the Alice reveal have worked if he were dead at this point?

I was thinking about Alice possibly being dead too. In fact, a lot more people could be dead.

Chef Boyardeez Nuts
Sep 9, 2011

The more you kick against the pricks, the more you suffer.
:lost:

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



King of Bleh posted:

I kind of have a hunch that everything since last update when we selected ’komaeda is a human’ has been a locked-in bad end, and the correct choice was the other fork where we concluded he’s a doll.

Not necessarily, Komaeda may just say that despite most of his original body parts are elsewhere, he is still a human inside. I'm honestly not sure how much of what he says is actually true, and how much is just loving with Sara (and how much is the meaning of sentences being slightly mangled in translation, but the translation seems fairly good about keeping the meaning of sentences on-track).

I'm still expecting him to reveal that he was the reason Sara was there.

Also... what happened to the actual Komaeda doll that Kenji was working on? That plotline just fell off the face of the planet,

blakelmenakle
Sep 1, 2007
AHEM! There's sand on my boots!

Randalor posted:

Also... what happened to the actual Komaeda doll that Kenji was working on? That plotline just fell off the face of the planet,

We still don't know even what happened to Keiji in general since he encountered Ranmaru in the classroom.

tomanton
May 22, 2006

beam me up, tomato
First of all what's the deal with Hinako, second of all how are they going to sell the dolls on togetherness if this is what Keiji's plan 'working' looks like and Q-Taro is in on it

Hazdoc
Nov 8, 2012

Muscovy Ducks are a large tropical breed, famous for their lean and extremely flavorful meat.

Hazduck!

~SMcD
Didn't Keiji say he was gonna gently caress with the game to alter the perception of who's actually in the coffins? So that blue is almost definitely not Gin.


I hope its not loving Keiji himself or I'm gonna flip. Maybe he was able to make a doll that has enough human parts to flag blue. Please.

King of Bleh
Mar 3, 2007

A kingdom of rats.
I'm not sure any of Qtaro/Keiji's plan actually occurred, given that Keiji got ambushed and presumably knocked out or something before he could get back to them with the ID card. If we get any sort of Keiji-related curveball, I see it as being a bad surprise and not a good one.

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

Neat. Sweet. Petite.

yeah, I felt like Keiji has been heavily waving death flags this whole chapter - I'd be shocked if he survives.

HydroSphere
Feb 11, 2014






"What? Still pleading for life...?"

"...You haven't... granted it... The consent form wish... I still haven't...!!"

".........."

"...Huhh?"



"You're obligated to listen to my wish...!"

"What're you saying...?"

"Invalidating the results of the Death Game is off-limits, Miss Sara."

"We haven't come to any result yet... Because this lamp is just a hint...!"

"You're truly ridiculous..."

"I'm making a demand...!!”




"It's much too lame... mere hair-splitting...!"

"I'm the Floor Master... The rules are all up to..."

"That's some interestin' hair-splitting..."

"M... Meister...?"

"She's got a point, Komaeda. It's not altering the outcome, just changing the process a tad."



"Don't be absurd... That isn't for you to decide."

"Let me out! I'll manage the controls."



"Meister...!"

"Haha..."

Music stops.

(...What's with this person?)



(...He says it's changing the process, but... If Komaeda accepts my wish here... Then we'll definitely be able to hit him next turn, won't we? So doesn't it amount to changing the outcome...?)

"…"

"It ain't gonna end..."

"Komaeda... Hurry up and pick a coffin to target."

".........."

"…"



"What... #2...?!"

"#2 is..."

"Wha...?!"

"W... Wait!! Why me...?!"

"Just hurry up and pick #2."

"No...! Hold on!!"

"Anzu..."

"Spare me! Please...!! I don't wanna die!!"



"R... Ranmaruuu..."

"You sure...? We might get chosen..."

"But Keiji's coffin might get picked...!"




"Your wish is my command."

"Stooooooooooppp!!"

"A... Anzu!!"



"Now then! Who's gonna be in this coffin...?!"








"...drat it...!!"



"You must be joking...! Hwohhhhh!!"

"Sniff... oogh...!!"

"Anzu...!!"

".........."

"A... Ahhh..."...Because of... me..."

"Ahh, too bad! You hit Anzu!"

"...Sheesh."

"...How does it feel, Miss Sara?"



Music stops.

(I'm sorry... Anzu...)

...Sorry?






I can't... cover that up anymore.

(It doesn't matter... However brutal it is, I'll do anything...!)







"Yeah! That's all we can do...!!"

"We shall avenge the Dummies here and now!!"

"We'll save Gin...!"

"Go to hell, Komaeda!!"

"We ain't gonna let you run!"

"I don't wanna lose to this guy, meow!!"

"Oh, really..."

"I do hope you can..."

Music stops.

(We'll do it...!)







"Now...! There's just one thing to wonder 'bout!"

"Whether or not we target the remaining #9 coffin...!"

"Obviously we do!! What're you on about after coming this far?!"

"There's only two glowing coffins left, right?! And we've got a hint on one!! Gin is in the blue #3 coffin! Don't gotta say the rest, do I?!"

"If we look at it plainly, Komaeda really must be in the #8 coffin..."

"Are you not curious about why Komaeda chose Anzu's coffin...?!"

"Is there some smart way of using our hint...?!"

"Listen, we can't accept a loss!! We've got the Dummies' regrets on our backs!"

"Hey, hey! Shouldn't we be thinking about whose side Meister is on, meow?!"

Extract statement from Gin.

"Hey, hey! Shouldn't we be thinking about whose side Meister is on, meow?!"

"I don't think we should trust him, woof!! He's just acting impartial... But really, he's on seaweed head's side, woof!!"

"And Shorty, too..."

"I don't wanna suspect her... But maybe she was with the bad guys, meow!!"

"Gin..."

"I mean, it has to be, right...? Shorty must've worked with seaweed head, or she couldn't have blended in as a fake, meow.."

(He has a point... If both Meister and Hinako are on Komaeda's side... There may be traces of them preparing things for this banquet...)

Extract statement from Alice.

"Are you not curious about why Komaeda chose Anzu's coffin...?!"

"To Komaeda, indeed, choosing any of them would have been fine..."

"But of all things, he chose Anzu's! There's surely a great significance to it...!"

"Alice! What would the reason be...?!"

"Ehh?! You're askin me?! Um, like, give me a sec...!"

".........."

"No doubt it's because Anzu's coffin was the only one we knew the contents of from the staaart!!"

(True... Anzu's coffin is the only one like that!)

Extract statement from Q-taro.

"Listen, we can't accept a loss!! We've got the Dummies' regrets on our backs!"

"The Dummies were created to kill us, but..."

"That don't matter none!!"

"Mai, Hinako, Hayasaka, Anzu...! They were all our allies in the end!!"

"We gotta show him the weight of that...!!"

(Q-taro...)

Extract statement from Kanna.

"If we look at it plainly, Komaeda really must be in the #8 coffin..."

"By all means, we should have the answer..."

"…"

"But... something does seem strange."

"If Komaeda planned ahead to this extent... We stand no chance!"

"Just how deeply did he consider...?"

"K-Kanna... Calm down..."

"Has our opponent made any kind of mistake?! Like a careless statement, for instance...!"

(A careless statement...?)

Extract statement from Ranmaru

"Is there some smart way of using our hint...?!"

"I know it's a waste to use a precious hint, but..."

"Something smells fishy...! We gotta use the hint somewhere!"

Extract statement from Kurumada.

"Gin is in the blue #3 coffin! Which means Komaeda is in coffin #8!"

"However much thinkin' we do about it, that's it, right?!"

Conflict Q-taro against Gin.

Music stops.



"W-What's that, Gin?!"

"You say they were all allies... But Shorty might've been an enemy, meow..."

"G-Guess so, but...! Even Hinako was killed..."



"Will we find the answer that way, woof?! Can we really win, meow?!"

"Urk...!!"

"Sorry...! Lemme think this over!"



(It seems Q-taro reworked his statement...)

Extract statement from Q-taro.



"But if that's the case, why'd Hinako get killed...?"

"I just ain't sure... What was Hinako tryin' to say in her last moments?"

"I'm pathetic, not bein' able to remember..."

(He can't remember? Then maybe I should use that again...!)

Show lantern to Q-taro.

"Gonna help me remember again, huh?!"

"Yes... Look into this lantern!"








Select last statement.




“Q-taro, please add that to your statement!”

“You got it!”

Extract statement from Q-taro.

"Hinako started sayin' "This... c..."'fore she died. Maybe she was gonna say "this can't be happening"..."

"Wonder if we can find somethin' by remembering what Hinako said..."

Conflict Kanna against Q-taro.

Music stops.

"What did you just say...?!"

"Hmm?! Uhh..."

"I said "This... c..."

".........."

"U-Um... This might sound strange, but..."

"Maybe Hinako didn't mean to say this can't be happening"..."





"Coffin, you say...?!"

"Yes... Hinako was working with Komaeda."

"Maybe her coffin wasn't planned to be selected...?"

"And yet... it was!!"



(What does this mean?!)

"The reason she thought she wouldn't be selected..."



"Because it was a non-glowing coffin! That would take her out of the selection from the start!"

"But Hinako's coffin WAS glowing, was it not?!"

"H-Huh...?"

Music stops.

"Then that idea is... wrong..."

"Is it wrong...?"

"Big sis Sara...?"

"Hinako had hot cocoa, right...?"

"Yeah... And she splashed it on my coffin..."

“What if the reason Hinako had that hot cocoa... Was to pour it on her own coffin...?!"

"Mya...?!"

"Then she splashed mine as a distraction?!"

"No wonder... I was thinking, how many cups of cocoa does she need?"

"Myooow?! That's shady, woof!! You should've mentioned that earlier, meowwwww!!"

"M... My bad..."

"Meister... Tell me something."

"What is it?"

"While this device was being set up..."






"S-Say whaaaaat?!"




(Then maybe...!)

"The incident happened just before the banquet began! While all the coffins were buried underground...!"

"While they were what?!"




"Would you stop messing with me?! What an outrageous triiiiick!!"

"But why did Hinako make the trade...?!"

"I'm sure she didn't necessarily know everything about how it worked... And she didn't even consider that she would actually be betrayed!"

".........."

Music stops.

"Well? How about it, Komaeda...?!"

"...Hm?"

"This trade thing wasn't in your plan, right?! At first, you wanted to simply enjoy the game! But you started to fear you'd die...! So you called Hinako and swapped with her!!"

".........."



"You're acting all proud like you've won..."

"But... what does knowing that do for you?"

(Huh...?)

"Y-You swapped with Hinako... so you must be in a non-glowing coffin...!"



"...!!!"



"Just take a look... You have to pick me from among the three non-glowing coffins."

"And you have no more clues.”

“T-That can't be...!!"

"Oh, yes... You could use your last hint."



"What...?!"

"Go ahead and discuss it all you like..."

(That's exactly what I intend to do...!)

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?
:suspense:

Hypocrisy
Oct 4, 2006
Lord of Sarcasm

I wonder why he picked #2.

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?
The speculation that it’s the only one where we were (or could be) certain of the contents makes sense.

Which could, in turn, accidentally tip his hand? “No matter which you pick, it’ll be red” feels like something that’ll matter, with the mention of careless statements.

MarquiseMindfang
Jan 6, 2013

vriska (vriska)

Hypocrisy posted:

I wonder why he picked #2.

He can't pick Gin's due to the wish.

He can't pick the other glowing one or his ruse is instantly exposed when he doesn't die. And he's banking on them just immediately slamming the button without thinking so he can have his next turn right away, so he needs to leave it alone.

He can't pick a normal non-glowing coffin or he risks hitting himself on a 1/3 chance, and even if he doesn't die, he's narrowing down the field if they figure the ruse out.


girl dick energy posted:

Which could, in turn, accidentally tip his hand? “No matter which you pick, it’ll be red” feels like something that’ll matter, with the mention of careless statements.

Isn't Keiji supposed to be in one of those?

MarquiseMindfang fucked around with this message at 08:38 on Oct 12, 2021

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



At this point, I'm suspecting Meister is either Keiji or the real Komaeda, while Doll-Komaeda is... well... a doll. Whether or not it's Keiji playing a long-con, or who actually went through the same process as the human floor masters... *shrug*

HydroSphere
Feb 11, 2014



".........."

"..."

"G-Guys...! Don't just be silent!"

"Well... from what we've worked out, Komaeda is in one of the three non-glowing coffins!"

"Komaeda should be in the coffin that Hinako was originally in!"

"Keiji's coffin is also one of the unglowing coffins, isn't it?!"

"I think we have to use our hint, meow...!"

Extract statement from Kanna.

"Keiji's coffin is also one of the unglowing coffins, isn't it?!"

"We can be sure of that, can't we?!"

"But to think we've come this far not knowing whether Keiji is in there...!"



Extract statement from Q-taro.

"Well... from what we've worked out, Komaeda is in one of the three non-glowing coffins!"

"We just gotta choose... One in three...!"

"But... how can we tell 'em apart any more?!"

Extract statement from Alice.

"Komaeda should be in the coffin that Hinako was originally in!"

"There must be something! Like it's a little cocoa-colored, say!"

"I've been observing them the whole time, and no..."

"Nwooooh...!!"

Extract statement from Gin.

"I think we have to use our hint, meow...!"

"Seaweed head's a liar, meow! It's not guaranteed it'll be red, meow!"

"That's true... there's Keiji's coffin."

"Y-Yeah..."

(I don't want to think about it, but... If Keiji is really in there, after being executed... It'll show... blue. But Komaeda isn't considering that at all... Why... is that?)



(And if that's only going to come up red, like Komaeda says... It'll be one in three... And since Gin's coffin is already known...)



"You just have to try, meow..."

"Gin..."






"Alright... got it."

(I'm prepared, too...)




(I'll use the hint on a non-glowing coffin...)



This is... the last hint. If we don't learn something... there's nothing more we can do. Still, I... summoned my resolve... and pressed the lamp.



"It lit up... blue...?!"



"...?!"

"I-It really came up blue, meow?!"

"Blue means... human."

"Which means... it ain't Komaeda, right?!"

"It's Mr. Policeman's coffin...!!"

".........."

"S-So then... he really was executed back then...?!"

"...Keiji..."

Music stops.

(That's wrong... Keiji escaped... If he escaped... what does this blue mean? What... is inside...?)

(...I don't know. I don't know... but...! Keiji... has done something for us...!!)

".........."

"Two coffins left... Komaeda."



"Now it's one in two..."

(I don't think there's any more we can figure out from discussion... We just have to choose one.)

"I... believe we'll win."

"This time, I will defeat you! Komaeda...!!"



(I've decided...! The person inside here is either Komaeda or Ranmaru...)



My hands tremble. Even knowing I have no choice but to press it.

(Please... Give me courage...!)

“Good luck, big sis Sara!”





"Ohh...! Well? Is it the right one?!"







“...!! "N... o... It can't be... this...!!"

"Too bad! You hit Ranmaru!"

".........."

"Aaaahhhhh...!!!!"

It's all... over. I couldn't protect Ranmaru. Or... Gin... I couldn't... protect Gin... I'm sorry... I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry... I can't save anyone...



"...?!"

"What's up...?"

(...A voice... No... It's just an illusion... Besides... even if you tell me not to give up... It's clear which coffin Gin is in...)

".........."








(Komaeda...?)

"drat it...! What's going on?!"



"Didn't Keiji escape?!"

"He must've put that in there instead...!!"

"Heh..."



(Trick...?)

"Q-taro...! What did you do?!"

"Heh heh..."

"When'd you decide that was Keiji's coffin?"

"Then... Are you saying it's Gin's coffin...?!"

"No way... During the final coffin check..."

"Did you do something with Gin's coffin...?!"

"That's inconceivable...!!"

"Then go ahead and pick the one you believe in!!"

"Aughh..."

(What's going on...? There's so much I don't understand... Even still...)

(Komaeda is backed into a corner...!)

"...I'll give ya the explanation later."



"If you let 'im think calmly... Komaeda might notice what's up too!"

"You gotta thoroughly corner him...!!"

Music stops.









Select “There's no way Keiji's inside.

"No way Keiji's inside...? Why are you able to say that?! We saw the cremation system being activated! Shouldn't it be most natural for you to think that Keiji is inside?!"

"Urgh...”



"Keiji escaped from the coffin!"



Select “ Those dying moments of the six Dummies...”

"The dying moments of the six Dummies...? That's wrong, Komaeda! Hinako's video showed the death of the real Hinako! Someone separate from the Dummies Hinako!"



"What's important is... The Coffin Control System functioned properly



(What about that is a reward?!)

"At any rate, the real question is Keiji's actions afterward...!"



Select “Or maybe...Shin? That traitor...!”

"The Shin AI was only in the control room on Floor 5! There's no way Keiji could've talked to him while he was stuck on Floor 4!"

"T-Then he heard it from Maple! That settles it! Having learned about the banquet, Keiji began his scheme to ensnare me...!”



Select “The coffins identify contents by the type of collar, all told...”

"The contents are identified by the type of collar...? That's the first I'm hearing this!"




Music stops.




(What?!)






Select “My collar, which was in the control room!”

Music stops.

"He used your collar, Komaeda...? That's impossible! Your collar would show the same thing as the Dummies... red! But what actually came up was blue!! How do you intend to explain that contradiction?!"

“...Why, you...!!”





"Komaeda... There's only one answer that makes sense."



"It's simple..."

"Your reasoning... has all been way off the mark!!"



(I did it... I refuted them all...)

".........."

(From the beginning, Komaeda has been thinking that coffin didn't contain Keiji...)



(So he was convinced it would be red.)

"You're saying... it's all wrong...?"

"Then... who's in there...?"

"Is it Keiji...?"

"It definitely... can't be Gin. Gin... that above all would be impossible..."

"Yes... I'm certain..."

".........."

(You have no allies to support you when you're faced with a dilemma...)



"Now... choose. Decide your fate, Komaeda...!!"

"...Urk..."

"Oogh...ghh...Hurrrrghghhhghghghhghhghhhhh...!!!!!!"



"Meister!! The coffin I'm picking is...!!"

"I see... This one?"



"Now...! Will it be the right one?!"







"Haha..."

"Ahahahaha...!"

"Ahahahahahahah!!"








"Gin...!”

"Hwoooooh!! Gin!!"

"I see... I'm so... glad..."

"...Gin..."

"Ha... haha...!"

Music stops.

"What about Mr. Policeman, meow...?!"

"...Eh...?"



"Was he inside, meow?!"

Keiji's... in there...? I see... If he didn't use Komaeda's collar... I can only imagine he's inside. But... Didn't he escape...? Don't tell me... After he escaped... he went back in...? While I... was passed out...?"






  • We saw this scene with the hands back in the very first update.








"Keiji Shinogi...?!"

"Hold on!! Why are you simply here?!"

"You survived...?!"

"Sorry about that... Took some time getting here."

"A-Are you... the real deal...?!"

"Might be a ghost. ...Wanna check?"

"Keiji...!!"

"...Yep, I'm real."

"It's a long story, but basically, Ranmaru locked me in the charging room..."

"Why, woof?! You should've told us sooner, meowww!!"

"Sorry, sorry..."

"I worried you, huh... You did good too, Gin."

"Y... Yeah...!"

"Hmph... If you'd come sooner, we'd be..."



"But me being here wouldn't have helped anything."

"...Sniff..."

"Now... we can talk later."

"Do what you need to do, Sara..."

"Defeat Komaeda."

"..."

Music stops.



".........."

"I finally realized just now..."

"You used it..."






"So you're the one who had it, Keiji...!!"

"And you put it in that coffin...!!"

"..."

"...And...?"

"That's foul play!!"



"..."

"Mishima's collar is a rule violation! Clear foul play...!!"

"You... At least in your last moments, honestly accept defeat!"

"No, Komaeda's right."

"Mya...?!"





"Th... Then...!"

"The rule-breaker who put the collar in the coffin..."

"That'd be Keiji..."

".........."

(What... nonsense is that... This can't be... surely... Even after he survived... and we reunited... He'll be executed... for breaking the rules...?)

".........."



...

"So you were prepared for this..."

"Heheh... hahaha..."





(...?!)

"I'm not interested in a finished game, you see."

"Once I win, I cease to care about who played dirty..."

"Don't listen to him, Sara..."




"Don't listen to a word he says!!"



Music stops.

This is... the last choice. Really, truly... the last.





(...This is...My final...decision.)



“B-But...! If I don't... you'll...”

“...We'll save Gin.”

“I know... you can do it.”

  • Keiji won't let Sara pick Gin.



“.............”

Once I push it... it'll all end. I'll save Gin, defeat Komaeda...And Keiji will...

“It's all right... Sara.”

“Keiji...”

My hands tremble... But...With the last of my strength...



"Oh my...! Will it be the right one?!"











]list][*]We don't get to see Komaeda's coffin being drilled.[/list]

"Did we... win...?"

"Well done! You hit Komaeda!"

"With this, the challenging team wins! However..."

"It seems you'll need to pay the price."

"…"

"N... No..."

"Protect Keiji Shinogi...!!"

"We won't let you do that...!!"

"Rule violations will be punished..."

"Let me out!! I'm gonna..."



"...I still won't move aside... I won't let you kill any more of my allies...!!"

"…"

"Hoh..."

Music stops.

"Ain't no need, Sara."

"W-What are you talking about?!"

"I'll tell you... everything..."

"...?"

HydroSphere fucked around with this message at 00:59 on Dec 20, 2021

PlasticAutomaton
Nov 12, 2016

Artoria Pendonut


What the gently caress wait Q-Taro is then who is then

:psyboom:

King of Bleh
Mar 3, 2007

A kingdom of rats.
The real qtaro died of his stab injury and they put him in the coffin maybe?? This segment has certainly been a real rollercoaster.

E: oh, we should have known since he was paired with human hinako. He’s been a doll the whole time I guess?? Did we ever see him bleed? I’m utterly lost lol

King of Bleh fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Oct 16, 2021

Hypocrisy
Oct 4, 2006
Lord of Sarcasm

Ohhhhh. So that's how they gave him a body that could still play baseball.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND

Hypocrisy posted:

Ohhhhh. So that's how they gave him a body that could still play baseball.

Yeah, I feel this is the most logical explanation here. Q-Taro's always been a Doll, it was the only way for Asunaro to fulfill their part of the vow. Of course, Q-Taro himself was completely unaware - until the lantern recovered his memories.

King of Bleh posted:

The real qtaro died of his stab injury and they put him in the coffin maybe?? This segment has certainly been a real rollercoaster.

E: oh, we should have known since he was paired with human hinako. He’s been a doll the whole time I guess?? Did we ever see him bleed? I’m utterly lost lol

It also explains this, yes, good catch! A human being paired with a human breaks the rules of the game, and we've seen how much of a stickler for the rules Meister is, to the point that he wouldn't let even Komaeda cheat by ignoring the Asunaro Vow. It only makes sense if Q-Taro really is a Doll, thus we had a human-Doll pair - just not in the order we thought.

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?
Well, that also explains how Q-Taro survived being stabbed.

...and we never saw him bleed when it happened. :psyboom:

blakelmenakle
Sep 1, 2007
AHEM! There's sand on my boots!

King of Bleh posted:

The real qtaro died of his stab injury and they put him in the coffin maybe?? This segment has certainly been a real rollercoaster.

E: oh, we should have known since he was paired with human hinako. He’s been a doll the whole time I guess?? Did we ever see him bleed? I’m utterly lost lol

Hinako was paired with Keiji though, it was Mai who was paired with Qtaro.

C...
Jan 22, 2008

Tootin the Doom Flute has led the Kingdom of Ankist into a new age of illumination. Every morning, people wake up and open palm slam a woodwind instrument into their mouth. It is the Doom Flute and right then and there they start playing the notes. They play every note, and they play every note hard
Baseball bot all along!
The Steel Hamburger!

MarquiseMindfang
Jan 6, 2013

vriska (vriska)
Huh, I was sure the trick was going to have something to do with the spare Komaeda doll Keiji was trying to get up and running. Whatever happened to that?

LawrenceFriday
Nov 2, 2009

I am an elemental spirit summoned up from the Land of the Dead itself and given one purpose, one skill, one desire: To DRIVE. Or, to change oil or adjust timing belts if no driving jobs are open.

girl dick energy posted:

Well, that also explains how Q-Taro survived being stabbed.

...and we never saw him bleed when it happened. :psyboom:

We did see a spray of blood.

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?

LawrenceFriday posted:

We did see a spray of blood.


Aw, poo poo. So, what, Mai is a robot with human hands and our boy Q-Taro is a human with robot hands?

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Doobeedoo
Oct 6, 2013

Trees and plants tend to grow on this Pokemon's back because it moves so little. It loves eating food while playing with tiny Pokemon.
Maybe the robots are modular and instead of making another Komaeda, he made another Qtaro?

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