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That episode really hits you from all angles. There’s an interesting story about Vir in that episode. JMS originally planned to have Londo kill the emperor but as he wrote the scene, his head-Vir said that it had to be him. (I know it sounds corny but if you write something for any length of time, characters start to do that. It’s kind of strange) and upon reflection it made sense. Everyone expected Londo to be capable of doing it, but nobody expected Vir - Mr Abrahamo Lincolni - to murder anyone. It’s a bittersweet moment in the series - Vir loses his innocence and changes as a character in ways that are logical, affecting, and unforeseen. It’s wonderful writing. THAT is why I have faith in JMS doing a reboot right. I wouldn’t trust anyone else with his universe.
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I've made it all the way to Season 4 episode 17, this is a wild loving ride. Have no idea what's going to happen Garibaldi turning on Sheridan is kind of bittersweet and sucks.
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# ? Oct 2, 2021 20:54 |
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Doctor Zero posted:That episode really hits you from all angles. These sudden and logical things are what amuses me in JMS' writing.
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# ? Oct 2, 2021 21:15 |
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drat just got to Season 4 Episode 18 Intersections in Real Time. Goddamn this show Garibaldi got done loving wrong. I hope Bester gets his comeuppance. Knowing this show he probably won't but still drat
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# ? Oct 2, 2021 21:49 |
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Well I've done it I've watched B5 from start to finish even going back and rewatching episodes I fell asleep to. drat what a great show. Can't believe its over. drat..
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# ? Oct 6, 2021 21:49 |
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Hollismason posted:Well I've done it I've watched B5 from start to finish even going back and rewatching episodes I fell asleep to. drat what a great show. Can't believe its over. drat..
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# ? Oct 6, 2021 21:58 |
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Hollismason posted:Well I've done it I've watched B5 from start to finish even going back and rewatching episodes I fell asleep to. drat what a great show. Can't believe its over. drat.. did u cry at sleeping in light
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# ? Oct 6, 2021 22:01 |
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sebmojo posted:did u cry at sleeping in light I got a little choked up it was very emotional episode.
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# ? Oct 6, 2021 22:34 |
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sebmojo posted:did u cry at sleeping in light Just finished a watch that took a couple weeks start to finish. Started like 15 different posts for the thread but kept watching ahead before I'd finish any. Yea, that ep hit hard. I'm afraid to even watch it again.
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# ? Oct 7, 2021 04:30 |
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Sleeping in the Light I liked the way things ended with Sheridan. I was surprised by the fact that Lorien came back to take Sheridan away. Ivanova becoming in charge of the rangers was good. Garibaldi having a daughter and living out a great life on Mars was great. I was most surprised by Vir becoming emperor. That was pretty surprising. We didn't learn much about Franklin just that he was a head of xenobiology. Still working as a doctor. I like that Sheridan visited B5 one last time. The B5 explosion was kind of weird isn't blowing it up jsut going to lead to more problems lol. Sheridan's send off was super emotional drat. I was disappointed Lennier died on his way back to his home planet. That was a little strange. Really was one of the better season finales I've seen. It didn't tie up all the loose ends but it ended in a way that was incredibly hopeful
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# ? Oct 7, 2021 17:33 |
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Hollismason posted:I was most surprised by Vir becoming emperor. That was pretty surprising. There was that one episode with I think the Centauri fortune teller or whatever who said they would both be emperor, but one only after the other was dead
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# ? Oct 7, 2021 17:40 |
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Hollismason posted:isn't blowing it upjsut going to lead to more problems lol. Depends on what's going on at the time, destroying it means it can't be reused as a pirate base or similar.
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# ? Oct 7, 2021 18:35 |
Midjack posted:Depends on what's going on at the time, destroying it means it can't be reused as a pirate base or similar. Let's be honest with ourselves, it was totally a Rule of Cool decision. I mean they recycled parts of B1-B3 for B4 over and over again after the first three were blown up, there's really no good reason not to just dismantle B5 for parts and raw materials. But it has symmetry with Kosh's answer to the dying Centauri emperor, "How does it end?" "In fire." It's also a cool visual and that's what JMS wanted.
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# ? Oct 7, 2021 20:18 |
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God I can still hear the ending theme from that finale playing in my head anytime people talk about that scene.
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# ? Oct 7, 2021 20:28 |
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edit: i forgot i was in the blind-watch thread, i'd rather not post anything about late show, even behind spoilers. sorry.
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# ? Oct 9, 2021 06:47 |
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Just picked this up and holy poo poo is the cgi terrible
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# ? Oct 17, 2021 12:30 |
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Lawman 0 posted:Just picked this up and holy poo poo is the cgi terrible It gets better as the seasons go on. At the time it was the first show to do all-CGI space scenes.
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# ? Oct 17, 2021 12:42 |
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Lawman 0 posted:Just picked this up and holy poo poo is the cgi terrible It does get better, but it's still a product of its time. Also if you started with the pilot movie, The Gathering, it looks even worse than the actual series even in season 1.
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# ? Oct 17, 2021 12:43 |
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Zat posted:It does get better, but it's still a product of its time. Oh lol that's what I did. Watching it on HBO Max.
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# ? Oct 17, 2021 13:30 |
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Lawman 0 posted:Oh lol that's what I did. Yeah, HBO Max is a bit silly to not point it out that The Gathering is the pilot and pretty much an optional curiosity rather than the actual start of the show. Or failing to mention that it's not remastered unlike the rest of the show. HBO even messes around a bit with the episode order in the first two seasons, which is questionable as well but I don't think it ruins anything.
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# ? Oct 17, 2021 13:41 |
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Zat posted:HBO even messes around a bit with the episode order in the first two seasons, which is questionable as well but I don't think it ruins anything. There's somewhere between nine and thirteen episodes that really need to be watched in the right order. What's the HBO order?
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# ? Oct 17, 2021 13:49 |
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Jedit posted:There's somewhere between nine and thirteen episodes that really need to be watched in the right order. What's the HBO order? https://b5remasterissues.wordpress.com/the-ugly/episode-order-changes/
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# ? Oct 17, 2021 13:52 |
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OK, that's not too awful. I'd still swap Legacies and The Quality of Mercy personally, but that's a matter of taste.
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# ? Oct 17, 2021 16:39 |
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Doctor Zero posted:It gets better as the seasons go on. At the time it was the first show to do all-CGI space scenes. Yep. It never looks like Expanse quality but it was the 90s, what can you do. By season three it's pretty good though. And there's a lot of good composition and artistry in the space scenes that makes up for the lack of technical quality IMO.
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# ? Oct 17, 2021 18:33 |
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I got alot of tolerance for bad cgi but the quality of the stuff in the pilot jumped out at me.
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# ? Oct 17, 2021 18:58 |
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The pilot is unusually bad. It was made in 93, then they started making the actual series in 94 so that tech advance alone improved it.
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# ? Oct 17, 2021 19:02 |
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Grand Fromage posted:The pilot is unusually bad. It was made in 93, then they started making the actual series in 94 so that tech advance alone improved it. That was a pretty wild time, every year saw significant and very noticeable improvement in what they could do.
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# ? Oct 17, 2021 20:54 |
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Winifred Madgers posted:That was a pretty wild time, every year saw significant and very noticeable improvement in what they could do. It's crazy to me that B5 ended in 99, looking much better but still fairly primitive, then four years later we get BSG which I think looks just as good as any 2021 space CG. The Centurions look a little rough sometimes, but it's still hard to mix CG and live action well.
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# ? Oct 17, 2021 21:01 |
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Grand Fromage posted:It's crazy to me that B5 ended in 99, looking much better but still fairly primitive, then four years later we get BSG which I think looks just as good as any 2021 space CG. The Centurions look a little rough sometimes, but it's still hard to mix CG and live action well. First thought: What, no, wasn't that '06 ... One Wikipedia check later: The pilot came out December 2003?! Wow.
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# ? Oct 17, 2021 21:10 |
We should point out that the CG for the pilot were done on an Amiga. Given the tools they were using back in 1993, what they managed to accomplish was nothing short of miraculous.
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# ? Oct 17, 2021 23:03 |
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Grand Fromage posted:It's crazy to me that B5 ended in 99, looking much better but still fairly primitive, then four years later we get BSG which I think looks just as good as any 2021 space CG. The Centurions look a little rough sometimes, but it's still hard to mix CG and live action well. Do bear in mind that once Babylon 5 had its models, it was pretty much stuck with them. There simply wasn't time, money or even really the option to redesign things. With each iteration, though, the CGI evolved. For example, this is a jumpgate from S1: And this is a jumpgate from Lost Tales, made 15 years later on a budget of $5 and two packs of spearmint chewing gum: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XKRKihnxs4 I couldn't find a still from A Call To Arms or Crusade, but they had jumpgates that were somewhere in the middle.
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Jedit posted:Do bear in mind that once Babylon 5 had its models, it was pretty much stuck with them. There simply wasn't time, money or even really the option to redesign things. With each iteration, though, the CGI evolved. For example, this is a jumpgate from S1: Sadly, that 240p Youtube clip doesn't really get across the real impact, especially after hearing for years that all the original models had been lost by WB and having no idea how any of the effects would look. B5 always went for a more colorful aesthetic than the BSG reboot, too. It'll be interesting to see what the B5 reboot opts to do in that regard. I don't think it's a Vorlon or Minbari ship without the bright colors, for example.
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# ? Oct 18, 2021 00:14 |
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goggles in awe at vorlon ship with the windows 3.11 for worksgroups hotdog stand theme stretched across it
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# ? Oct 18, 2021 00:27 |
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jng2058 posted:We should point out that the CG for the pilot were done on an Amiga. Given the tools they were using back in 1993, what they managed to accomplish was nothing short of miraculous. Wellll it wasn’t *AN* Amiga, it was a farm of them, but it’s still drat impressive.
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# ? Oct 18, 2021 00:45 |
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jng2058 posted:We should point out that the CG for the pilot were done on an Amiga. Given the tools they were using back in 1993, what they managed to accomplish was nothing short of miraculous. Just incredible.
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# ? Oct 18, 2021 02:18 |
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s2e20 features five minutes of CGI and at the time that was the limit of what they could do with their budget and production schedule.
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# ? Oct 18, 2021 02:56 |
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http://www.generationamiga.com/2020/08/30/how-24-commodore-amiga-2000s-created-babylon-5/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXmSA18cfgA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn3UraChY0c Assepoester fucked around with this message at 03:41 on Oct 18, 2021 |
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45 minutes for a single frame. It’s bonkers how far we’ve come.
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# ? Oct 18, 2021 04:18 |
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Jesus a 12 gig 486. That was some serious storage at the time. And no, this isn’t sarcasm. I worked for a phone book company whose entire company was stored on a terabyte (actually one and a quarter) storage array. That was millions of dollars.
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I will take any B5 CGI over the vomit inducing BSG shaky-cam. Also I hope there is a special place in hell for whoever had the idea to fast forward the whole episode during intro.
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# ? Oct 18, 2021 07:40 |