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I liked confusing the voting system on slashdot into doing something like +3, Troll or +3, Flamebait iirc it happened when something was downvoted as troll and then it was voted as "underrated" multiple times
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flamebait is trying to make people angry, while "If I go every other day I will be at the gym 4-5 times a week" is trolling
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Nomnom Cookie posted:where are stymie and fishmech now escalation of probations didn't do poo poo to stymie. only reason he's gone is because jonny (pbuh) trolled him into oblivion. for some reason instead of actually doing the whole "escalating series of probations and bans" thing on stymie we just made it a probatable offense to quote stymie had that in place for like four years and it didn't do jack poo poo
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rsj_hn 6 hours ago [–] I believe what China understands is that it is in the fight of its life against decadence. It correctly sees decadence as the product of liberalism, something that afflicts dying societies as they transition to some new illiberal regime. In that new, illiberal regime, the CCP will (most likely) not be in charge, and Chinese society as a whole may not survive as a united entity. Now liberalism starts by people who no longer want to be bound by the old morality, which they deem as intrusive or blocking them from realizing their happiness. In the beginning, they just want to be left alone to ignore the old morality. But then the liberalism turns into decadence -- they mock the old morality with increasing intensity. Then the mocking becomes stronger until the old morality is declared evil. As all of this is happening, people turn to hedonism. But the old morality was keeping the society together, and when it is gone, the society collapses, to be replaced by some new illiberal regime that enforces something else. That is basically the US right now -- we are undergoing social collapse, and everyone except Americans see the collapse happening. But the west had a strong strain of Christianity that withstood liberalism for a good 200-300 years before decadence really took hold in the lives of ordinary people. That coexistence with liberalism created enormous economic growth. China doesn't have 200 years because as a socialist revolutionary government, they already swept away a lot of the old accumulated cultural capital that allowed Chinese civilization to continue, and they didn't really have anything convincing to replace it with. Then they allowed liberalism in order to also benefit from economic growth. Now, they see the decadence starting to take root, and are really worried. Really all they have to keep the society together is national pride and a quest for making money. They have tried to do things like revive an interest in Confucius, for example, but they can't seriously be trying to resurrect that old civilization. So China's morality is extremely weak, and isn't in a position to hold out as long as the west did against decadence, so they are really in a lot of trouble. Thus China is fighting like mad -- e.g banning effeminate men on TV, trying to ban excess consumption and put a lid on consumer culture, maintaing strict control of media to ensure patriotic content and limit ironic/satiric portrayals of cherished values, etc. It does not want to allow the cultural shift that happened in the 60s in the west to happen in China. Basically, China is fighting the kulturkampf that Bismark fought in Germany. And just like that cultural war, China is trying to strengthen the social safety net to make sure that everyone has a place in their society, in order to inculcate loyalty to the system and extinguish the "outerclass" consisting of those who are enemies of the current morality. The carrot is a stronger safety net, the stick is pretty strong, too -- public figures are being dissappeared not because they openly opposed CCP rule, but because they embody decadent values. Note that this is a chronic problem for communist regimes or any regime that takes hold after a leftist revolt, and the USSR had the same problem. Once you destroy a thousand years of what kept the society together, what new glue can you use to keep the society together? It's something Marx discounted because of his robotic materialism -- to him man was a stomach with legs -- it was all a battle about material means, and burning down all the churches and rewriting history a small price to pay in order win the battle of economic distribution. Until you are actually in charge of the society and realize that all those churches were really important, and you can't just ginny up a fake state pseudo-religion that actually has the strength of Christianity to keep the society together. By not taking religion seriously, they just assumed they could replace it, and it was only too late that they realized that this isn't something you can just cook up when needed. The state insta-morality is paper thin. Remember the USSR fell apart not because it was bankrupt, but because the elite didn't believe in it anymore. It became the butt of jokes. People were tired of it and mocked it. Whereas Christianity kept society together for over 1000 years, communism was an effective glue for about 40. So China is scrambling to avoid that fate, trying to defend the paper-thin "socialist core values" that it sees as the glue holding society together. Of course almost no one believes in socialist core values, not in a way anyone is loyal to, so what Xi ends up doing in practice is arresting boy bands. Now, with this perspective in mind, if you re-read the statement, it should make a lot more sense.
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tldr
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tl;dr it's a post about authoritarian crackdowns on "decadence" that goes waaaaaay out of its way to avoid having to mention the big AH
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mediaphage posted:tldr ergot_vacation 39 minutes ago [–] This is it exactly, and something I think most people miss. As one of those "just want to be left alone" types, it drives me loving crazy that the "decadent" leftists in the west JUST CAN'T LEAVE WELL ENOUGH ALONE. I like my little bit of oddity, but it's never enough for them. Most people had come around to being comfortable or agnostic about LGBT stuff, but they had to keep pushing, keep slathering on more and more bullshit and being as miserable as possible about it, and now public opinion is (rightfully) tanking. Marijuana is nearly legal, but the cultural handling of it has gotten so obnoxious opinion may turn on that too. All the cultural touchstones I dreamed of being overturned during the Bush years as a teenager are finally crumbling, but instead of a paradise it's loving hell because the left are a bunch of children that are NEVER HAPPY NO MATTER WHAT THEY GET. In short, I wish we could pin society to one, exact moment of "decadence" and not go hurtling over the edge. Freedom to be a little weird, but not freedom to be insane. But I suppose that's an impossible dream. Guess I better get ready for the new dark ages these people will inevitably summon.
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Oct 18, 2021 16:01
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That pair of posts is a picture perfect instance of the "pink haired women will be the downfall of civilization" thing that these chuds actually believe. They should be in the Louvre. To throw tomatoes at.
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Oct 18, 2021 16:09
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decadence is a dogwhistle for the queers and the females not knowing their place.
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Oct 18, 2021 16:20
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an image of the unifying power of the catholic church that could only be conjured up by someone with exactly zero knowledge of anything that happened in europe at any point in the years 1000-2000
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Oct 18, 2021 16:36
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josh04 posted:an image of the unifying power of the catholic church that could only be conjured up by someone with exactly zero knowledge of anything that happened in europe at any point in the years 1000-2000 look the religion tab in my paradox map game says CATHOLIC, deus vult, bing bong so simple.
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Oct 18, 2021 16:40
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Christianity famously known for keeping society together for over 1000 years.
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Oct 18, 2021 16:40
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ultravoices posted:decadence is a dogwhistle for the queers and the females not knowing their place. truth also lol that the nola queers push it by hosting ‘southern decadence’
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Oct 18, 2021 16:52
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im the "just leave me alone" libertarian who demands that everyone must conform to my extremely narrow and rigid social attitudes
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Oct 18, 2021 16:58
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mediaphage posted:truth that event dates back to 1972 decadence as code for the causes for the decline of _western civilization_ is 19th century. bunch of proto-nazis read gibbon and were like hurf blurf not enough manly virtue that's the cause of the collapse of civilizations.
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ultravoices posted:that event dates back to 1972 yes, i am aware of all of this but lol if you don't think southern decadence uses that name to be a little bit subversive
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DuckConference posted:should we update the thread title to "now serving a purpose since n-gate stopped" ? he's still around, just fell behind, stay tuned
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DELETE CASCADE posted:he's still around, just fell behind, stay tuned
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it is not me, my posting is nowhere near that good
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you say that and then n-gate immediately posts an update  we're on to you
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eric_b 2 hours ago [–] This will get downvoted immediately but what the heck. I understand we need better representation for people of color in many places - but dang Google, not a single white guy on the Pixel 6 page [0]?? Dozens of photos of people, not one white male. Sort of jarring in the reverse if you ask me. [0] https://store.google.com/product/pixel_6?hl=en-US Edit: Because the common reply to mine seems to be "Well now you know how it feels white man!" - I'd like to mention that I don't think it's good to exclude any group. I'm not sure why it's OK to vastly prefer one group for representation over another when the focus lately is on fair representation of everyone? And finally, to those who say "I'm surprised you even noticed" - everything in the media where I live is about race and skin color - literally to the point where the narrative is that so-called "color blindness" is not desirable - so it's something I'm beaten over the head with daily. reply
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he's not just mad about no white people; he's mad about no white people in the section where they're bragging about making their sensors better at taking pictures of non-white people
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Plorkyeran posted:he's not just mad about no white people; he's mad about no white people in the section where they're bragging about making their sensors better at taking pictures of non-white people drat google's satanic eye really thirsts for the souls of bipocs huh
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Jose Valasquez posted:literally to the point where the narrative is that so-called "color blindness" is not desirable so close...
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zdragnar 31 minutes ago [–] That could easily be a sign that Amazon's warehouses are simply better run and are better at reporting injuries. reply
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0x0nyandesu 1 day ago [–] I mean do you really want to compare my disposable income with my great grandparents? They'd hit me up side the head if they knew how much I blow on weed a month and random bullshit like latex Halloween costumes. To them eating out was a luxury they could afford maybe once or twice a year. I eat out like every other day. Our standards are way higher these days cause the truth is we're all spoiled. 0x0nyandesu 1 day ago [–] Laymen versus technical. If I'm talking to a random person on the street I'm gonna say disposable. But yes I mean discretionary. My discretionary income is still huge. Well over 50% of my paycheck. It's also not even fair to say though because it's still my choice to have upgraded my living situation. Sure I'm locked in now but I could sell my house and downgrade at any time and my discretionary will go up. 0x0nyandesu 20 hours ago | undown [–] Lol this is hacker news. I could care less what you think about my privilege. It's hilarious that you're assuming my so-called privledge when my family came to the USA with almost nothing. I'm not here to be your little social justice pawn while you make assumptions. Just to be clear so there's no ambiguity. I don't care about the poor in america. I seriously could care less. My entire family immigrated to the USA in the 90s and none of them are poor. They all self made themselves into upper middle class lives within 20 years. Meanwhile Americans born in America with every advantage and privilege just whine all day and want more more more for nothing. Also sick and tired of constantly having social justice internet warriors tell me I'm privileged when I'm literally self made from zero. It's not privileged when you work your way up from fast food to six figures tech work. that's called "earning" things. Please learn the difference. mystes fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Oct 22, 2021 |
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hmm, unnamed source country left in the 90s, and angry about people of lower social status while simultaneously very defensive about their own status gonna guess they left south africa at the end of apartheid
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I think this guy has my favorite set of brainworms on HN right now.quote:
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tracecomplete posted:I think this guy has my favorite set of brainworms on HN right now. Galaxy brain: Invent psychohistory and create a fascist Foundation and Second Foundation to force future generations to carry out your will to preserve your blog post
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mystes posted:Small brain: print your blog post on archival paper to preserve it Well, Plato who advocated for a totalitarian State is remembered to this day, while Lerthamneon who defended free inquiry and questioned authority is utterly forgotten. QED.
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germandiago 4 hours ago [–] I did not go into details as to what Google misbehaviors were. But I wonder what "behaving poorly" is. There is legal and illegal stuff. Companies give jobs to people, not only Google. It is natural, yes, natural, logical, to want to pay less to people. It is also natural that people want to be paid more. A salary is never high enough for an employee. A salary is never low enough for an employer. I do not say this from an ethical point of view, I say how humans act. Also, with all these regulations, unfortunately, government-company collusion is also there, not only among companies. I wonder if markets were more free than they are if the collusion among companies (given that governments cannot regulate as much) would be as effective. I just wonder, because I am not sure, but I am confident it would be better than what we usually see in the media, which much of it is the consequence of disproportionate power for regulating. About behaving "poor" each person has her own ethics. Things that look ok to someone can look bad to others. And many look bad to most of us, especially when it is someone else who does it... which is curious. Companies are greedy, when it is not our company. Companies are bad, when it is not our company... our neighbor does not deserve what we deserve, because we are better. So the only measure by which we should measure companies is by law (even I find some laws absurd, but that is another topic). If some laws and regulations give power to make excuses that favor corruption via favoring friends, then maybe the problem is the capacity to regulate. I do not think an independent company would work for a government in "unethical" terms (as for many of our mostly accepted definition of unethical, like helping military research or giving surveillance tech to governments) if that government cannot give them something in exchange. We see the pattern? The problem is that exactly. Do not look further. reply
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Ah yes, collusion is caused by excessive regulation. Doubtless the solution is to eliminate antitrust law.
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Progressive JPEG posted:hmm, unnamed source country left in the 90s, and angry about people of lower social status while simultaneously very defensive about their own status a lot of poo poo happened in the 90s and continues to happen all over the world. for example, the eastward expansion of the EU in 2004 triggered a massive brain drain when people could just gently caress off to europe at large to make much more money doing what they did (or even way less skilled jobs) back in their home country. doctors' salaries are like 2-3x in finland than estonia with more humane working hours. i think that dude definitely came from a caucasian skin tone country, so yeah no wonder he and his family could work themselves up the social ladder. even more if they were from a post soviet country, ready to forget everything about their depressing home country and fully buying into the american dream i don't think a lot of 1st, 2nd generation white immigrants really acknowledge that structural racism and all the other cool ways to capitalistly keep poor people poor and hungry exist, because their and their parents' lived experience is really having worked hard and gotten ahead. so all the right wing talking points of lazy people just looking for handouts hits straight home to these people. finally things have gotten a lot worse since the 90s too - i am willing to bet if this guy and his family showed up to the US today, they would have a much harder time even if they pass the paper bag test
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rau 48 minutes ago | link > we need better education of non-programmers to programming and using more technical tools Something I say a lot is ‘“talking to computers” is 21st century literacy.’ Like reading and writing, being able to think in an organised and systematic fashion, and to direct a computer to execute algorithms, are fundamental to flourishing in the information economy. Yes, like reading and writing, not everyone is capable, and like with reading and writing, those unfortunates have a disability. Those who have the ability, though, should be properly trained. --- Y I K E S
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alexandriao posted:rau 48 minutes ago | link I’m gonna pretend this dude is ESL maybe because the point isn’t terrible but the way it’s phrased is pretty bad
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ajross 6 hours ago [–] > at what point is it fraud? It's fraud when someone is harmed. People like you who didn't buy the product and don't want it don't have standing here. People like me, who did, do. And almost without exception, we're all lined up to get the beta release. Offer me a $10k refund today in exchange for never getting access to FSD releases, and I'd turn it down. "People willfully paying for something I don't like" isn't fraud. Find a FSD owner willing to sue for a refund.
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Penisface posted:i don't think a lot of 1st, 2nd generation white immigrants really acknowledge that structural racism and all the other cool ways to capitalistly keep poor people poor and hungry exist, they’re specifically targeted by the far right’s messaging on this because they can be held up as examples when trying to deny the existence of structural racism in the US and it’s not just white immigrants either, the far right tries to court both South and East Asian immigrants for that purpose as well, though they’re more likely to run into people who have actually experienced bigotry that way
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tracecomplete posted:I think this guy has my favorite set of brainworms on HN right now. i mean, this is pretty much just traditionalist conservatism
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