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I don't think the laser-shield reaction exists in the film. It's real stupid in the books anyway so no great loss Also kinda weird to end the movie where they did but not have Paul giving water to the dead, naming himself after a cgi mouse or show the water ceremony
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Communist Thoughts posted:I think ridiculous opulence is exactly what the non-arrakis parts should look like, apart from selusa secundus. This theme, basically the whole decadence vs savagery, hard times make men hard or whatever, even to literally the whole law vs. chaos theme in fantasy which was an attempt to abstract this out of the equation as a reaction to Conan the Barbarian, all stems from one unfortunate and incredibly influential source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_History_of_the_Decline_and_Fall_of_the_Roman_Empire Note this lovely article doesn't note trivial details like "his entire thesis that Christianity made the Roman Empire soft and lead to its collapse being thoroughly disproven to the point that basically every word of the thesis is wrong."
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Oct 19, 2021 12:29
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Communist Thoughts posted:Also also when I heard Jason momoa was in this I was like "oh man he's a perfect gurney hallack that's good casting!" lol Halleck was ugly (so they still hosed up the casting). Since Duncan turns into a sex god after being cloned Momoa makes a lot more sense there.
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Oct 19, 2021 13:24
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just bought my ticket. smack in the middle of the back row in the UltraScreen Big Fuckoff theater. Thursday at 6. the spice must flow i'm gonna drink an entire 100mg THC tonic during the previews 
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Oct 19, 2021 14:05
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Hodgepodge posted:This theme, basically the whole decadence vs savagery, hard times make men hard or whatever, even to literally the whole law vs. chaos theme in fantasy which was an attempt to abstract this out of the equation as a reaction to Conan the Barbarian, all stems from one unfortunate and incredibly influential source: Extremely relevant series of blog posts about the whole dumb Soft Times Make Soft Men trope that I can highly recommend https://acoup.blog/2020/01/17/collections-the-fremen-mirage-part-i-war-at-the-dawn-of-civilization/
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The imperial delegation being like 20 people in a ship the size of an Olympic stadium is pretty opulent.
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Oct 19, 2021 15:52
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FreudianSlippers posted:The imperial delegation being like 20 people in a ship the size of an Olympic stadium is pretty opulent. The Mentat does say it cost a fortune.
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Oct 19, 2021 15:57
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JockstrapManthrust posted:It seemed terrified of its predecessor Do you actually think the people making Dune 2021 were terrified of a widely loathed box office bomb disowned by its director, or is this a "bit"?
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Oct 19, 2021 16:09
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Pedro De Heredia posted:Do you actually think the people making Dune 2021 were terrified of a widely loathed box office bomb disowned by its director, or is this a "bit"? I don't think that precludes JockstrapManthrust's characterization of the filmmakers as terrified of it at all, op.
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Oct 19, 2021 16:16
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Communist Thoughts posted:I think ridiculous opulence is exactly what the non-arrakis parts should look like, apart from selusa secundus. Giedi Prime is an "industrial wasteland with low photosynthetic potential, the planet's bio-resources depleted and its environment fouled with industrial pollution." Hard to make that look opulent. There is certainly decadence (the Baron is a fat monster and all), but that's not the same as opulence.
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Oct 19, 2021 16:27
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Hodgepodge posted:I don't think that precludes JockstrapManthrust's characterization of the filmmakers as terrified of it at all, op. I think the fact that Vileneuve said "I was only half-satisfied by the original Dune, another version needs to be made with a different sensibility" precludes it. I mean I'm sorry but it's just a hilarious thing to say. It's an abysmal movie whose director shits on every time he can. No one on earth is afraid of it in any way.
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Pedro De Heredia posted:I think the fact that Vileneuve said "I was only half-satisfied by the original Dune, another version needs to be made with a different sensibility" precludes it. the point might be put more directly and improved a bit by putting it like this: the people providing the money are probably afraid of the film being associated with a famous flop
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Communist Thoughts posted:. It's a load of ahistorical horseshit https://www.google.com/amp/s/acoup.blog/2020/01/17/collections-the-fremen-mirage-part-i-war-at-the-dawn-of-civilization/%3famp=1
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Hodgepodge posted:the point might be put more directly and improved a bit by putting it like this: the people providing the money are probably afraid of the film being associated with a famous flop Bingo! And this fear seems to have damned it to mediocrity.
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I enjoyed this, but I wanted to enjoy it more than I did. I don't know how you get 3x the time Lynch did to tell the same portion of the story, and manage to leave out fairly significant elements. The Jamis fight was legitimately tense, how do you just leave out Paul crying? Maybe show that bullfighting statue again. Pretty, but kinda aggressively uncreative. I reaaaaally hated the bloody hand cheap flashforwards. Chani remains uncastable. Sean Young was pretty bad. Zendaya is really bad.
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I don't know how you can have an opinion on Zendaya's performance one way or the other with the amount of time she gets here. She delivered her three lines competently and did not gently caress up looking over her shoulder. What more did you want?
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Yeah I'd wait for part 2 to judge Zendaya if it happens. If not  at the cliffhanger. They can add "read the rest in the book" to the end credits or something.
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Charlz Guybon posted:It's a load of ahistorical horseshit This is an awful lot of words to say something that doesn't really apply to Dune. I mean yes, some of these tropes are deployed, but the Fremen succeed primarily because they have Space Jesus and Space Mary in their midst and also ride around on gargantuan undefeatable worms.
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Hakkesshu posted:This is an awful lot of words to say something that doesn't really apply to Dune. I mean yes, some of these tropes are deployed, but the Fremen succeed primarily because they have Space Jesus and Space Mary in their midst and also ride around on gargantuan undefeatable worms. To be fair, it's kind of on the tin. 
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I feel like for Frank the root source of the fremen's power was ecological consciousness. They deeply understood and adapted to their environment in a way none of the other powers in the setting had even begun to fathom. It has some cross currents with noble savage tropes but isn't really the same thing
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Hakkesshu posted:This is an awful lot of words to say something that doesn't really apply to Dune. I mean yes, some of these tropes are deployed, but the Fremen succeed primarily because they have Space Jesus and Space Mary in their midst and also ride around on gargantuan undefeatable worms. Well, the book does also point out how the Fremen are somehow just intrinsically superior warriors because of their lifestyle before Paul enters the picture. It starts out with hyping the Sardaukar as functionally the very best army in the galaxy, to the point where it took Leto an entire generation to train a small force that can even approach their quality. Then you end up on Arrakis and one of the first things Paul sees post-coup is a bunch of random Fremen just trivially murking a squad of Sardaukar with hardly a struggle. Paul then just goes and further builds on that superiority.
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I think it's more that the Sardaukar have no idea what they're up against and also they are at an extreme disadvantage in that environment. Obviously the Fremen are real good at fighting, but I always thought it was a Vietnam parallel more than anything, considering when the book came out.
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Hakkesshu posted:I think it's more that the Sardaukar have no idea what they're up against and also they are at an extreme disadvantage in that environment. Obviously the Fremen are real good at fighting, but I always thought it was a Vietnam parallel more than anything, considering when the book came out. I like denis's recurring thing with the fremen coming up out of the sand, nice visual metaphor for this
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The fremen and their jihad is also pretty consciously based on the Arab conquests which is one of a handful of times in history that defies the "settled societies are better at violence" thing that guy is going for.
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No Mods No Masters posted:I feel like for Frank the root source of the fremen's power was ecological consciousness. They deeply understood and adapted to their environment in a way none of the other powers in the setting had even begun to fathom. It has some cross currents with noble savage tropes but isn't really the same thing The white saviour trope is both explicitly used and subverted in various ways in the books. Paul knows his story is also the story of the Fremen being used and their resulting success obliterating their culture, within his lifetime. e: the ecological aspect is maybe the best part of Dune and about half of why it stood out in the first place.
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Dune can only be successfully filmed as a rock opera.
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Hodgepodge posted:The white saviour trope is both explicitly used and subverted in various ways in the books. Paul knows his story is also the story of the Fremen being used and their resulting success obliterating their culture, within his lifetime. Yeah I don't really disagree. And I feel another muddying factor is that the fremen kind of deploy these tropes themselves, first one way when they want to fly under the radar and mask that there are many millions of them and that they are highly industrialized, then the other way when the jihad begins and they want to project unstoppable inhuman murder power
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It's really hard to undersell how big an impact Gibbons had on the mentality of anglo-imperialism. Lovecraft's whole thing about the Old Ones inevitably reverting us to savagery and civilization being this fragile temporary thing was based mostly on it (but also a self-conscious examination of his beliefs and their contradiction; dude was a socialist when he wrote half his famous stuff and considered his remaining racism a stubborn remnant of mistaken beliefs). e: No Mods No Masters posted:Yeah I don't really disagree. And I feel another muddying factor is that the fremen kind of deploy these tropes themselves, first one way when they want to fly under the radar and mask that there are many millions of them and that they are highly industrialized, then the other way when the jihad begins and they want to project unstoppable inhuman murder power The fact that he links the romanticism of the 'noble savage' to their way of life being based on the land and in practical terms congruent with science rather than considering it superstition was, to be really fair, a substantial step towards at least romanticizing the things indigenous people actually value about their way of life and finding value in them in terms we recognize. e: people have a really half-assed view of Lovecraft. like in some stories contact with the cosmic gods will blast your sanity sure. in one of his mystical rather than horrific stories his self-insert has a chill conversation with Yog-Sothoth. Hodgepodge fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Oct 19, 2021 |
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AnEdgelord posted:The fremen and their jihad is also pretty consciously based on the Arab conquests which is one of a handful of times in history that defies the "settled societies are better at violence" thing that guy is going for. I wouldn't really call it a handful. The steppe peoples in Asia pretty much constantly ravaged their neighbors (Eastern Europe, Arabs, and China) up until the invention of gunpowder.
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Arglebargle III posted:Dune can only be successfully filmed as a rock opera. By who? (Don't say Toto)
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Paddyo posted:By who? (Don't say Toto) Are the dudes behind Coheed and Cambria still kicking? Because I would watch that.
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If Neil peart were still alive I'd say rush all the way.
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Paddyo posted:By who? (Don't say Toto) I mean is there anyone with film experience writing sci fi rock operas these days? Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 03:17 on Oct 20, 2021 |
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I'll bet you could put together a Pink Floyd play list that would jive pretty well.
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give it to a good post-rock outfit like whatever the Godspeed You Black Emperor/A Silver Mt. Zion people are up to
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GY!BE is still going and as far as I know are still firmly opposed to using their music in movies, out at least blockbuster Hollywood movies.
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Just let Carpenter Brut do it like he did Blood Machines
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Atarask posted:https://kotaku.com/dune-is-the-latest-beloved-property-to-be-swallowed-by-1847887636 don't worry, body pillows are next. where we're going... you won't need eyes to see!
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flashy_mcflash posted:Just let Carpenter Brut do it like he did Blood Machines This + more colored lighting and neon would vastly improve this movie.
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