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I said come in! posted:Did you at least catch the Lynch Dune theme song near the end Also, 
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Future dictators being weird dudes is very realistic. Read napoleon's journals, the guy was a profoundly weird young man
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Oct 20, 2021 18:32
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I also really appreciate that the different groups have variations on the different technologies; Harkonnen Sandcrawlers look different than those used by Atreides, as do the ornithopters.
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Oct 20, 2021 18:34
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Hakkesshu posted:This is an awful lot of words to say something that doesn't really apply to Dune. I mean yes, some of these tropes are deployed, but the Fremen succeed primarily because they have Space Jesus and Space Mary in their midst and also ride around on gargantuan undefeatable worms. They don't ride the worms on other planets. The worms couldn't survive the humidity. The Fremen succeed in the Jihad because they are by far the greatest warriors in the universe and they have absolute faith in the righteousness of their cause. Hakkesshu posted:I think it's more that the Sardaukar have no idea what they're up against and also they are at an extreme disadvantage in that environment. Obviously the Fremen are real good at fighting, but I always thought it was a Vietnam parallel more than anything, considering when the book came out. The Sardaukar are themselves so capable and deadly because they are raised and trained on a similarly deadly world. That's the real reason why the prison planet Salusa Secundus is so important to the emperor. They get clowned by the Fremen because the Fremen spent their lives on the one planet even more deadly than SS, and the Fremen learned BG space Karate. Fart Car '97 posted:I have always taken away that the entire point of the Fremen is not that they were the noble savages at all, but that they were a highly industrialized, specialized society that put a great deal into hiding the fact that they were. Like they just outright state multiple times "Oh gently caress there are a lot more Fremen and their technology is just as advanced as ours." They are just playing a different game than every else (terraforming Dune) while allowing the imperium to fight over (a perceived) control of Dune -- which the imperium never truly had Yes. The Fremen are way more advanced than anyone else realizes (except maybe the Guild). But also, they have learned to survive in basically the worst possible environment that humans could still eek out survival in. Remember the old Fremen saying: "God created Arrakis to train the faithful."
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Oct 20, 2021 18:46
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You can't do a Dune rock opera because David Bowie is too dead to be Paul, Steve Perry is too old to be Gurney Halleck, Mick Jagger is too old to be the Emperor, and Stevie Nicks is too old to be Moiham. 1977 was the last chance.
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Oct 20, 2021 18:54
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Not only does Hans Zimmer reference Brian Enos Prophecy Theme as played by TOTO, I swear there are sequences throughout the movie that sound like they're inspired from the MIDI files of Dune II: Battle For Arrakis. hans zimmer is really good at being "inspired" by musical themes from other sources. he's so good at it that he got sued by the estate of gustav holst for a song in the gladiator soundtrack sounding a bit too much like "mars" from the planets. he is also a huge dune nerd so it wouldn't be too surprising if he is familiar with the games
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Oct 20, 2021 19:20
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also, ICNICICS https://twitter.com/nyknicks/status/1450854328319807489
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Oct 20, 2021 19:21
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Lutha Mahtin posted:hans zimmer is really good at being "inspired" by musical themes from other sources. he's so good at it that he got sued by the estate of gustav holst for a song in the gladiator soundtrack sounding a bit too much like "mars" from the planets. he is also a huge dune nerd so it wouldn't be too surprising if he is familiar with the games At least Zimmer was intentionally ripping off Mars in a context that made sense (Rome, war, terror), whereas John Williams has just sailed on stealing from Holst for his entire career
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Oct 20, 2021 19:23
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The existence of shields and the lack of space battles in the Dune universe makes the Fremen taking over much more believable in my mind.
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Oct 20, 2021 19:33
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Hashtag Banterzone posted:The existence of shields and the lack of space battles in the Dune universe makes the Fremen taking over much more believable in my mind. The Houses also barely have armies. Actual war is far too expensive in the Duniverse to be worth it usually.
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Oct 20, 2021 19:55
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Yeah the whole "numerical inferiority" thing gets turned around when you realize the Atreides empire has a total monopoly on strategic mobility. No one else can go anywhere.
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Oct 20, 2021 20:10
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AlternateAccount posted:You can't do a Dune rock opera because David Bowie is too dead to be Paul, Steve Perry is too old to be Gurney Halleck, Mick Jagger is too old to be the Emperor, and Stevie Nicks is too old to be Moiham. Sting could be Emperor Shaddam IV though.
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Oct 20, 2021 20:26
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I've always assumed that the various other planets/groups who the Bene Gesserit had seeded with their prophecies would side with the Fremen, although I dunno if that's reflected in the books.
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Oct 20, 2021 20:35
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With the exception of special effects rendering, I found this movie to be DRASTICALLY inferior in comparison to the 84 Dune movie. 1. Nothing was as cool as seeing the full sized prop of the guild navigator arriving at the Emperor's chamber 2. Nothing was as imaginative as watching space get folded by the navigators during the crossing, in this movie they just cut from Caladan to Arrakis showing us nothing. Weak. 3. Zimmer's score was BAD compared to the 84 score and I'm aware that the score at the end references the 84 movie. Doesn't make up for the score being awful throughout the movie. 4. Nothing in the movie helped to explain the Harkonnen and Atreides rivalry like the sequence when the Baron responds to the Duke's letter then floats off to attack the flower boy and pull out his heart plug. 5. No pugs. 2/5: Boring, Beige, and Bloated. I'll be surprised if part 2 ever gets made. G-III fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Oct 20, 2021 |
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Oct 20, 2021 20:36
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Nail Rat posted:Sting could be Emperor Shaddam IV though. And Harry Styles can be Feyd. 
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Oct 20, 2021 20:44
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I still cannot remember anything from the David Lynch soundtrack except the main theme and that one big moment (you know the one). Then again I've barely seen that movie too. I just feel the zimmer soundtrack is fine.
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Oct 20, 2021 20:57
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I remember the credits theme for the original because it was hilariously out of place.
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Oct 20, 2021 20:58
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Remember the end of Lynch Dune when Paul became an actual god?
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Oct 20, 2021 21:00
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edit: n/m someone else already said it, with spoiler alerts which may be good there
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Oct 20, 2021 22:11
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Groovelord Neato posted:The Houses also barely have armies. Actual war is far too expensive in the Duniverse to be worth it usually. also the guild would technically have veto power if they just refused to move troops around, unless the houses reverted to old tech and took decades to fly between planets
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Oct 20, 2021 22:18
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"he who controls the spice controls the universe" is meant to be taken pretty literally. it doesn't leave a lot of room for war if one faction controls all the oil. i mean spice. oil, it's oil. spice gas. fill 'er up.
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Oct 20, 2021 22:21
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G-III posted:
yeah when chani says "this is just the beginning" i laughed out loud e: they did cut a lot of characterful stuff and replaced it with... nothing, since the movie was still pretty slow but rushed at the same time. no catty interplay between paul and the reverend mother no mention of jessica having a son in defiance of the BG no water ritual with the dead bodies no paul giving water to the dead no gerny doing a song no baron liking young boys then you consider how Dune 84 added like half a dozen iconic lines and visuals, this film just subtracted stuff mostly. also in their haste to not cast any arabs at all, the end of the movie ended up being the whitest actor ever born being forced to kill an incoherently roaring black man was a bit of a weird image i dunno that whole thing seemed like they tried to sanitise the movie and ended up being more eyebrow raising than the original "drat space muslims are BADASS and totally crazy!" Communist Thoughts fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Oct 20, 2021 |
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Oct 20, 2021 22:30
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Communist Thoughts posted:no mention of jessica having a son in defiance of the BG This was in there. The Reverend Mother chastises Jessica for not having only daughters as she's about to leave on her ship.
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Oct 20, 2021 22:48
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The Lynch Dune is a mess with some interesting bits, but if you're going to watch a mess with some interesting bits I'd rather watch Zardoz
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Oct 20, 2021 22:51
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Communist Thoughts posted:
yeah.... gently caress this movie 1/5 stars
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Oct 20, 2021 23:03
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Unless I completely missed it, they also didn't explain what a mentat is.
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Oct 20, 2021 23:34
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AwkwardKnob posted:yeah.... gently caress this movie 1/5 stars The baron is a weird freakish perv who was bred to be evil and LOVES it. Even after he dies to a toddler he still lives on as a ghost who is so horny he nearly brings down the empire '21 baron was extremely boring imo
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Oct 20, 2021 23:41
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Speaking of mentats, I liked that little bit where when the mentats are doing calculations their eyes roll back. Or was that supposed to be like the lens that goes over a crocodile’s eyes when they go underwater?
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Oct 20, 2021 23:42
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Dr.Radical posted:Speaking of mentats, I liked that little bit where when the mentats are doing calculations their eyes roll back. Or was that supposed to be like the lens that goes over a crocodile’s eyes when they go underwater? Yeah I liked that too More thufir, more of anyone really. Don't feel like anyone really got a chance to shine despite having a mostly good cast
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Oct 20, 2021 23:49
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I really liked how they made the Baron more bull like, rather than just a fat slob, as kind of an echo of the bull that brought down Leto's father. Also the kind of obvious Kurtz / Apocalypse Now reference made me think of the bull slaughter scene in that. I love 84 Dune as its own thing, but this was drat near a perfect movie for me.
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Oct 21, 2021 00:25
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Communist Thoughts posted:yeah when chani says "this is just the beginning" i laughed out loud To be fair this exchange did happen but the dialog delivery in this movie is rapid fire speed so it was easy to miss. That was the other weird aspect of this: everyone is just machine gunning through dialog in the most unnatural way. quote:also in their haste to not cast any arabs at all, the end of the movie ended up being the whitest actor ever born being forced to kill an incoherently roaring black man was a bit of a weird image The only way this works without it being seen as awful is if somehow they make part 2 and however many parts it takes to tell Dune Messiah because only by then is it obvious that 'white saviors are bad, actually' gets pulled off. Given what bland forgettable movie this was I doubt they'll make it that far.
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Oct 21, 2021 00:33
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Jamis roaring and basically having a breakdown was tragic. I mean he’s a loud aggressive idiot but that whole sequence of his total confusion and defeat and then complete misunderstanding and accidental humiliation was really tragic and kinda heartbreaking. Edit: it’s telling that the movie is kind of a goofy failure in that regard, since Duncan dying has functionally zero impact by comparison.
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Oct 21, 2021 00:41
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Paddyo posted:By who? (Don't say Toto) I would throw Dream Theater's hat into the ring since one of their very, very early songs is based on Dune, but they also dropped that piece of Astonishit a few years ago so...
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Oct 21, 2021 01:22
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While I wish the dinner scene on Arrakis was in the movie, most of it is inner monologue. I mean most of Dune's dialog is internally or secret conversations between characters. I suppose they left out a lot so they didn't need to spend tangents explaining what they are (navigators, how interstellar space is done on giant ships where you're not allowed to look who is next to you, or even how Paul is being trained as a mentat). Same goes with the secret green house that the previous BG leaves Jessica notes in.
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Oct 21, 2021 01:48
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mousku posted:Unless I completely missed it, they also didn't explain what a mentat is. they have one line about thinking machines being proscribed due to their historical abuse by tyrants, and that's it
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Oct 21, 2021 03:12
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Communist Thoughts posted:The baron is a weird freakish perv who was bred to be evil and LOVES it. abusing his granddaughter from beyond the grave by making her have lots of sex he gets off on while semi-possessing her being the closest thing to a trans allegory i can recall in the series is sort of the chef's kiss on the baron's "gently caress you" to the reader
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Oct 21, 2021 03:38
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re: sex in the dune series: let's be extremely thankful they'll never make it to chapterhouse.
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Oct 21, 2021 03:44
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SPACE HOMOS posted:While I wish the dinner scene on Arrakis was in the movie, most of it is inner monologue. I mean most of Dune's dialog is internally or secret conversations between characters. I suppose they left out a lot so they didn't need to spend tangents explaining what they are (navigators, how interstellar space is done on giant ships where you're not allowed to look who is next to you, or even how Paul is being trained as a mentat). Same goes with the secret green house that the previous BG leaves Jessica notes in. They could have done the dinner scene but just had everyone milling around mixing instead of sitting at a table, then you could have all of that be spoken dialogue between characters as they pass by or whatever.
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Oct 21, 2021 04:41
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:re: sex in the dune series: let's be extremely thankful they'll never make it to chapterhouse. it will be the final season of Dune on HBO and people will hate it like they hated GoT
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Spergin Morlock posted:it will be the final season of Dune on HBO and people will hate it like they hated GoT If they learn about kegels its going to be unbearable.
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