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waffle iron posted:Found some good ferry fuckling Lmao glad they got the bomb squad on this one
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The Real Amethyst posted:Just watch the first 3 minutes. Even as a non-shipfuckler this was very confusing until I read the description and it told me that while the video was from the barge the audio was from the big ship.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nwWZVwM7zU
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Kibayasu posted:Even as a non-shipfuckler this was very confusing until I read the description and it told me that while the video was from the barge the audio was from the big ship. Also worth nothing that blame was assigned to the pilot of the other ship. however, credit was given for their communication efforts between ships.
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His balls must clank loudly as he walks.
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Best snakeunfuckler ever...
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Alec Baldwin just killed a director of photography on-set: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/21/us/alec-baldwin-shooting-rust-movie.html Phanatic fucked around with this message at 04:41 on Oct 22, 2021 |
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liz lemon tugs her collar, raises her eyebrow, exits the room in search of cheese
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Phanatic posted:Alec Baldwin just killed a director of photography on-set: Can we get a body copy? That poo poo's nuts and behind a pay wall.
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Non-paywalled article: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/alec-baldwin-rust-movie-incident-1235035095/ Looks like they were filming a scene involving firing a prop gun and it somehow fired for real and injured two people, one fatally
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Here’s another: https://deadline.com/2021/10/alec-baldwin-movie-fatal-shooting-director-crew-member-dead-rust-1234860500/quote:The castmember, now identified as Baldwin, was unaware of the type of ammunition in the gun, we’re told. ??? I mean, I would hope he didn’t know there was live ammunition in it, but why the gently caress was there live ammunition in it?
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Platystemon posted:Here’s another: https://deadline.com/2021/10/alec-baldwin-movie-fatal-shooting-director-crew-member-dead-rust-1234860500/ The NYT piece mentions Brandon Lee's death where a projectile had lodged in the barrel and a firing a blank dislodged it. I guess there's also blanks that are dangerous up close. Two people were hit, maybe both were behind the camera in a close up take?
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Ola posted:I guess there's also blanks that are dangerous up close. All blanks are dangerous up close, they still produce a blast of hot gas and whatever weak material holds the powder in the cartridge that can cause serious injuries if all of it hits a human before dissipating. There's at least one actor who died from putting a gun to his head and firing a blank.
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Ola posted:Two people were hit, maybe both were behind the camera in a close up take? It was the director and DP who got hit, so that's possible.
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Brandon Lee was killed by a similar accident, where someone made dud rounds by taking all the gunpowder out of regular bullets and leaving just the primer. (I guess that's what you want for a close-up shot of someone loading bullets into their gun? Because the bullets will visually look right but you don't have a loaded gun on set). One of these got "fired", which pushed the bullet into the barrel but not all the way through. The gun wasn't checked again before filming a scene with real blanks (which have a decent sized load of gunpowder to make a convincing bang, but no bullet), and the combination of blank round + a bullet already in the barrel behaves a lot like a regular round. You'd think prop armorers would have learned to pay more attention to that exact situation (switching from dud rounds to blanks) after that though, there's going to be a lot of scrutiny on whoever was in charge of that for this production.
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haveblue posted:All blanks are dangerous up close, they still produce a blast of hot gas and whatever weak material holds the powder in the cartridge that can cause serious injuries if all of it hits a human before dissipating. There's at least one actor who died from putting a gun to his head and firing a blank. Yeah, the cartridge gasses punched out a nice, neat hole the size of the barrel in his skull which was then driven into his brain. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon-Erik_Hexum
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Makes you wonder why they don't have better prop guns and/or ammo. You don't need to make a big bang, you can make a big Hollywood muzzle flash in all kinds of safe ways.
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That's on it's way, but I don't think it's fully there yet.
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Ola posted:Makes you wonder why they don't have better prop guns and/or ammo. You don't need to make a big bang, you can make a big Hollywood muzzle flash in all kinds of safe ways. charlie chaplin, sitting on a train, about to knock a rail tie out of the way with a second rail tie: what's "safe"?
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You can do muzzle flashes just with VFX, and you often do the sound in post anyway so that the gunshot volume doesn't swamp everything else you want people to hear. Getting good-looking recoil without something in the gun exploding with enough force to push the gun around? Good luck with that.
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Ola posted:Makes you wonder why they don't have better prop guns and/or ammo. You don't need to make a big bang, you can make a big Hollywood muzzle flash in all kinds of safe ways. I think it was an Indy production so maybe they didn't have the budget to do muzzle flashes in post or the director wanted to get it all in camera or something.
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It’s a cowboy film, right? They wanted big clouds from black powder, and that’s more involved to fake than a muzzle flash.
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Jabor posted:You can do muzzle flashes just with VFX, and you often do the sound in post anyway so that the gunshot volume doesn't swamp everything else you want people to hear. Looks like Rust is a western so a revolver in this case. With semi-autos, you could probably make a solenoid drive the slide to replicate recoil. You'd have to stuff the batteries in the magazine and do some machining to make it all fit, but isn't that exactly what prop departments are supposed to do? Shell casings flying off can be added in post production with the rest of the effects.
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Looks like Rust is a western so a revolver in this case. just use the Time Crisis 2 guns ffs
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Platystemon posted:It’s a cowboy film, right? No matter how they want to make it look, for such a huge industry it's odd that they don't have better props. Perhaps guns are such a big deal, they want real guns even if everything else is fake? A charge of compressed air and some fine inert powder can make a nice puff and be safer, if not perfectly harmless in all situations. I don't think this particular movie production should have engineered them of course.
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Ola posted:No matter how they want to make it look, for such a huge industry it's odd that they don't have better props. Perhaps guns are such a big deal, they want real guns even if everything else is fake? Yeah, but fake guns are expensive though. https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2472161/why-lord-of-war-starring-nicolas-cage-bought-3000-real-guns-instead-of-props
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Squib/flashbulb guns already exist, there's a prop company called Independent Studio Services that makes "Non Guns" (along with providing real/blank firing guns and other props ranging from fake soda brands to fake server racks) that are used mainly for scenes where a real gun loaded with blanks wouldn't be safe, or in situations where the studio doesn't have permits or is operating under sound restrictions or whatever. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Studio_Services http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Non_Guns
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Kibayasu posted:Even as a non-shipfuckler this was very confusing until I read the description and it told me that while the video was from the barge the audio was from the big ship. Yeah it's pretty confusing at first. Hard to understand how it happened without footage from huge ship. The video makes it look very avoidable.
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Looks like Rust is a western so a revolver in this case. Mechanically operating a slide without firing a bullet doesn't look the same. It ends up looking off. A gun recoils back because it's the result of a reaction from expelling an object very fast, if no mass leaves the gun and the piston is actuated by a solenoid or piston then there is nothing the gun is recoiling against and it doesn't look the same. let me try to explain better: When a normal semi auto pistol recoils the slide goes back first, the slide hits the end of it's travel, then the mass of the slide cause the frame and the gun to rotate back carried by the mass of the slide which is an equal an opposite reaction to the bullet leaving the gun. If the recoil actuated by an internal force in the gun itself instead of the bullet mass leaving then the the slide and the frame are pushing in opposite directions immediately, making it do a strange looking thing where the the front of the gun dips momentarily while the slide is still going back, then the slide hits it's rear stops and the motion then cancels out instead of the slide making the gun rotate backwards. This is because the piston can't just move the slide back, newtons laws don't work that way. The piston or actuator would be pulling the frame and the shooters hand forward with the same amount of force the slide is pushed back with. It looks strange and not like an actual gun recoiling. Squib guns work okay but they actually shoot a projectile, and they recoil a lot less. These are easy to spot and look bad if they are fired and the camera can see them with any detail. They don't have any major moving parts so the barrel will make a bang sound and have a little smoke while the slide doesn't move at all. BitBasher fucked around with this message at 09:04 on Oct 22, 2021 |
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Would regular people notice the difference though? *Edit* I get that the director would want as much realism as possible, just seems dangerous
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:charlie chaplin, sitting on a train, about to knock a rail tie out of the way with a second rail tie: what's "safe"? That was Buster Keaton. Most of his stunts would fit this thread. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaApqL4QjH8
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BitBasher posted:
When a normal Cameron Diaz sits on a motorbike, it doesn't look like a ragdoll. And yet...  So what if it doesn't look exactly the same? It can be engineered and acted to look close enough and the benefit can be no deaths. There's possibly a huge amount of near misses and unreported injuries as well. Why should guns for some weird reason be ultra-accurately portrayed at the expense of safety when pretty much everything else is faked, half-assed, approximated or made up? vvv lol Ola fucked around with this message at 09:39 on Oct 22, 2021 |
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Heh I used to wear that same backpack to school. It was a little too big ofc
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Is that herman munster running that thing?
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Check out some early John Woo movies, you can see the actors firing blanks at each other and purposely aiming the guns away from the other actors. It's pretty noticable at times in the ending of The Killers, Chow Yun-Fat is in close shooting several times at someone and you can see him aiming between their legs or off to the side of their head
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I've used those. Heavy brush will just shrug off a string, so you have to use a blade. Biggest issue is that if you meet any rocks it will fling them at you.
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