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Electromax posted:What was up with the spider creature the rev mother tells to get out? Just a weird flavor addition? Villaneuve has a thing with spiders. See Enemy.
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Blood Boils posted:Baron and even the Emperor could predict that reaction easily, they have mentat/Benne Gesserit advisors plus Leto's benevolent touch is why the Emperor wants him dead Tankbuster posted:was it really her or was it implied?
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CapnAndy posted:Implied, but both me and that other guy came to the same conclusion independently, so... it's definitely implied. drat, that shrinks the world by a lot. Anyways, the fight choreography really wasn't the best. The shield thing was neat but thats about it.
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CapnAndy posted:Yeah, but my point stands that if they planned that exact scenario, they're idiots. That rescue is why Liet comes around on the Atreides, Liet coming around means favorable word of them is spread out to the Fremen, and then when the extermination kicks off it's why Liet puts his/her entire operation and life on the line to rescue Jessica and Paul, and why Stilgar is inclined to give them a chance in the first place instead of murdering them outright, which is Fremen law on what you do with travelers in the deep desert. That's why I said I like that it's open to interpretation - it can be used to build on, if they want to.
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Can we all agree that this movie was beautiful but the Mini Series is still the best?
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Tankbuster posted:was it really her or was it implied? Eh I dunno, implied maybe but it seems like if they were setting it up like that they would mention it explicitly somehow. I just assumed this was to show that the Harkonnen's were into some cruel genetic manipulation stuff.
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Gorson posted:Eh I dunno, implied maybe but it seems like if they were setting it up like that they would mention it explicitly somehow. I just assumed this was to show that the Harkonnen's were into some cruel genetic manipulation stuff. thats what I assumed too. They already look half ayylmao with their shiny chemotherapy skin. The baron floating up at the end of the scene also helped. I know its one of the more famous aspects of dune but how does it work?
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Tankbuster posted:thats what I assumed too. They already look half ayylmao with their shiny chemotherapy skin. The baron floating up at the end of the scene also helped. I know its one of the more famous aspects of dune but how does it work? The floating people? I believe the first book calls these "suspensors" and they're basically anti gravity devices that can be attached to anything.
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Yeah, suspensors are like antigravity pods. I think they mention they get used for handtrucks and stuff, possibly for other forms of cargo moving.
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When did they talk about Paul's prophecy being manufactured by the BG in the film? I missed it. I thought the movie was very good! Didn't go enough into just how much of a badass the Duke is and how much people love him. also downplayed the plans within plans within plans elements where everyone is plotting.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:I thought Blade Runner 2049 was a complete piece of poo poo  Douchebag alert
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Tankbuster posted:thats what I assumed too. They already look half ayylmao with their shiny chemotherapy skin. The baron floating up at the end of the scene also helped. I know its one of the more famous aspects of dune but how does it work?
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Steve Yun posted:Would this movie be okay for a 12 year old Yeah but they would be bored to poo poo which makes me wonder why they even bothered with the pg13. The Sci-fi Mini series had more sex and violence.
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Tankbuster posted:My man is so loving fat that he needs antigravity to move. It actually enhanced what a piece of poo poo he is. He could move around on his own, but he's just that lazy and sybaritic.
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gohmak posted:Can we all agree that this movie was beautiful but the Mini Series is still the best? lmfao no
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gohmak posted:Can we all agree that this movie was beautiful but the Mini Series is still the best? I really need to rewatch that. Right now I think Dune (1984) > Dune (2021) for me, but that’s also heavily influenced by the Spice Diver fan cut being my most recent rewatch of the the Lynch movie. I had a weird thought of someone making an “abomination cut” from the best versions of scenes across all three adaptations 
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Odoyle posted:Looked like a tunnel to me in this movie. Ships go in one side and come out the other, and when you look through the Arrakis side you can see Salusa Secondus or Caladan or wherever on the other end. I don't remember this at all? I've skipped through it a few times looking for what you describe and I can't find it. They do very distinctly show the Heighliner in motion and arriving at Caladan which definitely implies the more normal "big transport" interpretation
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Alan Smithee posted:When they cut open the door is that a different thing from a lasgun I don't know if this is a joke post but: -Things we have IRL: Stuff to burn through an armored door -Things we don't have IRL: Laser guns so the answer is probably yes
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gohmak posted:Can we all agree that this movie was beautiful but the Mini Series is still the best? wint: no
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CapnAndy posted:Another change I liked in this one is that the Baron didn't actually seem that fat. Like, fat, sure, but I've seen heavier dudes than that walk around. (Every time I look in the mirror dohohohohohoho) He looked fat in this distorted and distended kind of way, like it was less the product of his gluttony and more the product of some genetic or biological alteration gone awry. I thought it was great. And I love his long rear end train/robe dangling beneath him.
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Kurzon posted:Jessica in this movie always seems anxious. Is she like this in the book? yes. She's hyper aware of what she's done, what role Paul might have in the future, and what the Atredies taking over Arrakis means. She has the weight of an entire species hanging on the quality of her motherhood. It isn't physically shown in the books -- instead it's a series of thoughts full of self-doubt built around conversations with Yueh, the Duke, Paul, and the Reverend Mother. Thankfully the movie decided to show that and not tell it.
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I appreciated that the movie shows all the Atreides acting a bit more human. They're stoic, unrelatable weirdos in the book and Herbert relies a little too much on other characters more or less telling the reader that they're good people.
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Kurzon posted:Jessica in this movie always seems anxious. Is she like this in the book? She's a very strong person but is under an incredible amount of pressure. More than Leto or the Baron.
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Gorson posted:I'm not really sure what you mean. There is a scientific explanation to it all, it might seem like magic but it isn't. Humanity has been developing the power of the mind through genetic manipulation, training, and repetition for 10000 years to make such a thing possible. Is any of this possible in our reality? Probably not but the lore behind the book is all science. They're not praying to god and then god grants them abilities. Oh yeah, it's all space drugs and an outdated scientific speculation about DNA that do the "magic." There's also inspiration from things like yoga and the capabilites demonstrated by keepers of oral histories in powers of the Bene Gesserit and Mentants. It looks at what we might accomplish by studying and advancing the existing knowledge of the natural capabilities of our minds and bodies. But God isn't showing Paul a vision via revelation or anything. And Leto II claims godhood on the basis of complete and flawless genetic memory and utterly unapposable prescience.
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Fart Car '97 posted:I don't remember this at all? I've skipped through it a few times looking for what you describe and I can't find it. They do very distinctly show the Heighliner in motion and arriving at Caladan which definitely implies the more normal "big transport" interpretation I think it was when Duncan and the advance party went through.
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Ghislaine of YOSPOS posted:When did they talk about Paul's prophecy being manufactured by the BG in the film? I missed it. It was part of a conversation that Paul has with Jessica, I believe right after Reverend Mother Poochie flies away
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Gorson posted:She's a very strong person but is under an incredible amount of pressure. More than Leto or the Baron. Yeah, she has a much, much better idea how hosed the Atreides are than anyone else around her, though not enough to help solve the problem or probably even talk to Duke Leto about it in terms that would make it worth divulging secrets and risking even more support from her order. So she basically has no one to talk to about it until bad poo poo has gone down and Paul starts to become someone who is more than capable of helping out with the problem. e: I think the BG's play going in is to spare Paul (as promised to Jessica) and use the fact that he very obviously will not want to be in the Baron's hands and no one else would have a clue how to handle him after they explain why giving him to the Baron would be a bad idea to bring Paul under their influence. In any scenario in which Paul lives, he eats the entire empire alive from a different angle though. Hodgepodge fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Oct 22, 2021 |
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Fart Car '97 posted:I don't remember this at all? I've skipped through it a few times looking for what you describe and I can't find it. They do very distinctly show the Heighliner in motion and arriving at Caladan which definitely implies the more normal "big transport" interpretation david_a posted:I think it was when Duncan and the advance party went through. Actually no, it’s when the Reverend Mother comes down for a chat at 21:20. I found a screen cap of it:  (the blue planet looks kind of squished in the movie too) I don’t have time to check whether there was an earlier establishing shot of a blue planet that close to Caladan but it seems odd that there would be.
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FPyat posted:Between this and Mad Max: Fury Road, what had the better sandstorm sequence? The sandstorm sequence in Dune, used at least partially, captured footage of air shots of sandstorms in Arizona. I know this because I use to live there and recognized one of the more well known images.  
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Hodgepodge posted:Yeah, she has a much, much better idea how hosed the Atreides are, though not enough to help solve the problem or probably even talk to Duke Leto about it in terms that would make it worth divulging secrets and risking even more support from her order. So she basically has no one to talk to about it until bad poo poo has gone down and Paul starts to become someone who is more than capable of helping out with the problem. I don't feel like the film communicates all this very well. The "show don't tell" that someone mentioned previously ends up just being lots of shots of Jessica bursting into tears and I don't feel like the film gives us much more than "mother worried for her family". It's hard to say though, since I remember enough from the book that I know there's more going on. I'm watching it with a friend tomorrow who hasn't read the book, so I might ask him about this afterwards.
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Kurzon posted:Jessica in this movie always seems anxious. Is she like this in the book? i thought that actress seriously did an incredible job, her performance was really raw despite the fact that it's a character that's incredibly interior and not telling us very much about what she knows someone less good would've made her a steely implacable Game of Thrones type noble
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Kurzon posted:Jessica in this movie always seems anxious. Is she like this in the book?
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david_a posted:Actually no, it’s when the Reverend Mother comes down for a chat at 21:20. I found a screen cap of it: Oh yeah I guess you're right, maybe that is how they interpreted the Heighliners for the movie
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Tarnop posted:I don't feel like the film communicates all this very well. The "show don't tell" that someone mentioned previously ends up just being lots of shots of Jessica bursting into tears and I don't feel like the film gives us much more than "mother worried for her family". It's hard to say though, since I remember enough from the book that I know there's more going on. I'm watching it with a friend tomorrow who hasn't read the book, so I might ask him about this afterwards. I'll have to watch it, since I have it now and just haven't sat down with it yet. It's a difficult balance, since the conversations with Reverend Mother Mohiam should establish that she knows they're hosed but it's all BG business and she doesn't know the details. But it's easy to just make her look weak (which your take leans towards a lot), or to make her just look cold and neurotic. Ideal actress in terms of disposition would probably be Tilda Swinton (actually I'd love to see it, she'd have so much fun). She's had so many roles with that "under so much pressure she's keeping it all together through pure willpower" vibe it would be practically playing to type at this point.
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CapnAndy posted:Oh yes. She betrayed her entire order and has pushed all her chips into the center of the table on the bet "my son is the Messiah", she is stressed. It's worse than that, she gave leto a son because he wanted one and she loved him. The messiah thing is an extremely complicated price she has to pay for that decision.
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