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Finally decided to check out Sicario, I think I sweat out all 3 rum and cokes I was drinking while watching it. edit: aw poo poo I hate when I start a new page
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Noam Chomsky posted:Everything but thinking machines - self-aware A.I. - is allowed. They specifically mention calculators though, like that's the baseline for the restriction. A Buffer Gay Dude posted:Wow this is pretty racist lol A Buffer Gay Dude posted:“I can’t buy the non-white actor as a legendary warrior, regardless of the directorial and authorial intent.” This didn't occur to me at all. His traits are described fairly clearly, but neither actor exhibits a "dark round face" or epicanthic folds and both have brown eyes, so.... neither actor really meets the description. The book says outright that in single combat Gurney would beat Duncan more often than he'd lose. For me, Jason Momoa has never been able to pull of anything resembling scary or dangerous, going all the way back to RONAN DEX. (Shrug), it's fine, it's really unfair "book weight" dragging it down for me, and the way Idaho is described and his massive reputation would be difficult for anyone to pull off, and all the examples we've had so far really haven't.
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Oct 26, 2021 06:37
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Doesn't help that the fight choreography was rear end.
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Oct 26, 2021 06:54
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Llamadeus posted:I know a lot of people wanted this movie to be made and consider it a success (artistically), but this is worth considering. We could use the same logic to argue for not making the Lord of the Rings trilogy. There was already an adaptation that was only 23 years old by the time of Fellowship's release (and which, like Lynch's movies, has its supporters). The Dune miniseries is 21 years old and the Lynch movie is 37. I'm pretty glad LOTR exists.
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Oct 26, 2021 07:03
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True, though the original context was that Dune Part One suffers greatly from its split narrative (with a second part not even guaranteed). I don't think the LotR movies do to the same extent, and had a few more changes in structure to fit its format. And all the parts were also produced concurrently.
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Oct 26, 2021 07:18
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Fellowship of the Ring ends in the same place as this Dune movie.
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4000 Dollar Suit posted:Finally decided to check out Sicario, I think I sweat out all 3 rum and cokes I was drinking while watching it. Sicario was very good. I read some of the plot for the second one and immediately thought “Well I’m not watching this poo poo for sure.”
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Sicario is a deeply stupid film that looks very good and has good actors in it so you don't really question it, the entire plot could have been lifted straight from Burn Notice (which is fitting because the Burn Notice guy is in it saying cool Burn Notice lines for a bit)incoherent posted:He can easily side step it and not call it a directors cut. Call it a "expansive world cut" or some poo poo. He's the few that could still command as "close to final cut" rights as possible and I feel this is a "cinema vision" of dunc. Also he's need to start wheeling and dealing to generate post-movie revenue to get a part 2 filmed. Being amenable to the thought of a larger cut would go a long way. Lol I like that the plan to trick him into doing a director's cut is by calling it DUNE: The Atreides Unrated Cut Wolfsheim fucked around with this message at 07:43 on Oct 26, 2021 |
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Oct 26, 2021 07:40
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Dr.Radical posted:Sicario was very good. I read some of the plot for the second one and immediately thought “Well I’m not watching this poo poo for sure.” Yeah I'm not really that interested in the sequel, it was already a good complete movie, but you know how everything needs to be a cinematic universe. I heard they're planning a 3rd.
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Re: extended cuts, part 2 Folks should temper their hopes with the knowledge that the studio making these decisions is WB If there's a way to gently caress it up (and bonus, harm some employees) they won't be able to resist taking it
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Are director's cuts even a big moneymaker? I thought they only existed either to satiate a director who was unsatisfied with the studio version (I Am Legend, Babylon AD), to make a small group of hardcore fans spend a little extra (LOTR) or, in one special case, to desperately get comic book fans to shut the gently caress up (Snyder Cut)
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4000 Dollar Suit posted:Finally decided to check out Sicario, I think I sweat out all 3 rum and cokes I was drinking while watching it. There's a driving scene in prisoners which did this to me too.
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Tankbuster posted:Fellowship of the Ring ends in the same place as this Dune movie. Dr.Radical posted:Sicario was very good. I read some of the plot for the second one and immediately thought “Well I’m not watching this poo poo for sure.” kater posted:i clicked on some links in the dune wiki and got to a never made french 70s movie featuring 2000 extras pooping. 
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Oct 26, 2021 09:08
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People on Reddit think this “tarantula” from Incal is the inspiration for the spider
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I don't buy it. My theory is that he slammed his fist on the table, saying "make it le weirder" and bdsm spiderman was the result.
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Wolfsheim posted:Sicario is a deeply stupid film that looks very good and has good actors in it so you don't really question it, the entire plot could have been lifted straight from Burn Notice (which is fitting because the Burn Notice guy is in it saying cool Burn Notice lines for a bit) Alright, I’ll bite. Why is it a “deeply stupid” film? I thought it had the pretty correct notion that the CIA and special forces are full of psychos who are very cavalier about killing and torturing people and just generally not really giving a poo poo about the law to do so. Of course the idea that an FBI agent would be against that is dumb but she serves as a surrogate for the audience. I haven’t seen Burn Notice so I don’t know what you’re taking about there.
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After all of this Lynch Dune praise I decided to watch it again on HBO Max. I haven't seen it since like 8 years old. I remember it being boring but I thought the same for Blade Runner and loved that upon adult rewatch. It was still boring, corny and white. Also Paul is the actual space jesus to the indegenous white Freman. That kinda of misses the whole point.
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Tankbuster posted:Doesn't help that the fight choreography was rear end. I loved this movie, so this wasn't at the forefront of my mind while watching it, but now that I've had a few days of distance from the viewing I'm more and more comparing the melees in this movie to The Last Duel, and the comparison isn't flattering. The fight scenes in Dune are, as someone pointed out earlier in the thread, like something out of a YA movie; they're some typical mediocre acrobatics and spinny strikes, lacking any of the visceral weight and violence showcased in The Last Duel. The knife fights are one of the weaker points of the film and it's a shame considering how central they are to the aesthetic. Jack B Nimble fucked around with this message at 13:47 on Oct 26, 2021 |
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Horizon Burning posted:there's a dude in GBS who angrily insisted that dune was a failure because it didn't match the step by step heroic journey plotline in the save the cat screenwriting book. he spoke as a writer. a writer whose biggest achievement was getting almost selected in some family guy scriptwriting competition. An Ounce of Gold posted:I've pitched to Frederator Studios and Comedy Central and came in the quarterfinals in last year's Scriptapalooza for an American Dad spec script.
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I've seen other doofuses who believe that "the heroes journey" is a set of rules you have to follow. Does it get taught like that in bad writing school, or do fools just fall into the same wrong beliefs?
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I've definitely had it laid out to me in lock step before, but I can't rememer if that was in an undergrad writing class or just some poo poo a star wars fan cornered me about at a party 
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Bug Squash posted:I've seen other doofuses who believe that "the heroes journey" is a set of rules you have to follow. Does it get taught like that in bad writing school, or do fools just fall into the same wrong beliefs? I'm guessing a little of column a, a little of column b.
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I mean, it's useful as a write-by-colours guide to make a reasonably satisfying story, and to analyse academically as a common trope. But by gum does it attract dogmatic thinkers.
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That's one of the most embarrassing things I've read in a while , if you listen closely you can hear Craig Mazin screaming in the distance Failed Imagineer fucked around with this message at 14:24 on Oct 26, 2021 |
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Pedro De Heredia posted:We could use the same logic to argue for not making the Lord of the Rings trilogy. There was already an adaptation that was only 23 years old by the time of Fellowship's release (and which, like Lynch's movies, has its supporters). The Dune miniseries is 21 years old and the Lynch movie is 37. Lord of the Rings, as written, is a much stronger and easier starting point to make an adaptation from. The structure of the stories are completely different. Dune's a weird book for a lot of reasons so as written I think needs far more manipulation to the story to make a successful adaptation. Denis adapted by removing, but what remained was stretched out and embellished and slavishly accurate to the book, leaving the pacing feeling off and some moments with no context, unless you already know the book. This was my worry going into it, that Villeneuve would treat the property too reverentially.
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My elderly parents who have never read the books could follow the movie just fine so I dont know where the idea that the movie was hard to follow is coming from.
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Bug Squash posted:I mean, it's useful as a write-by-colours guide to make a reasonably satisfying story, and to analyse academically as a common trope. Campbell carries little academic weight these days beyond acknowledging that many people after Campbell used his framework as a formula. It's broadly understood that he's less observing universal characteristics of myths and more trying to stuff every myth he can find into a framework he invented.
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On the topic of the fights, I haven't read the books so I don't know how they're described, but the fights just looked like they consisted of normal slashes and whatnot. It seems weird to me that a style that needs to adapt to the kinetic shields (or whatever they're called) just kinda looks the same as any other sword fight, without being adapted to having to slow down for the kill. I kinda expected a style that's more grapple based so that people couldn't dodge away from the slow moving knife, but I guess my question is whether that's how it's "supposed" to look.
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I was going to make a joke about how I bet he's a big fan of that "Save the cat" nonsense, but he actually refers to that in his post lmao An Ounce of Gold posted:
Reminder that Blake Snyders most notable credit is for writing the script for "Stop or my mom will shoot" lol And nerds treat it like some sort of unimpeachable gospel
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Give me a poorly-paced cut then! is there anything else?? stratdax posted:Lord of the Rings, as written, is a much stronger and easier starting point to make an adaptation from. The structure of the stories are completely different. Dune's a weird book for a lot of reasons so as written I think needs far more manipulation to the story to make a successful adaptation. Denis adapted by removing, but what remained was stretched out and embellished and slavishly accurate to the book, leaving the pacing feeling off and some moments with no context, unless you already know the book. This was my worry going into it, that Villeneuve would treat the property too reverentially. I agree with this. If one wanted to make as straight and unmodified an adaptation of Dune the novel as possible, I think it would've been better served as a 10-12 hour HBO miniseries that allowed time to build the characters better, rather than a 5 or 6 hour set of movies. If it had to be a movie, then I wish he had taken more liberties than he did, because I thought the movie we got was a competent adaptation of half-a-novel that somehow feels both rushed and too slow-building at the same time. I like a lot of things about this movie, but I'm not sure that the sum was any greater than the parts. I love this shot of an enormous craft rising from the water... that only lasts for two seconds before we have to rush to the next scene. I like this character's one-liner and the glimpse it gives into that character, and wish we had more conversations from them rather than one or two lines before they vanish for most of the movie. I thought the movie was fine, not great and not terrible. I just didn't like it as much as I hoped I would, and I'm convinced now that a 2.5 hour movie is just not the ideal medium for a faithful adaptation of half of one of the densest sci-fi novels out there. e: one last thing - shame on the coward denis for not showing me the guild navigators. david showed me those weirdos early and often, where's your version, denis? give me those freaks, I want to see what you've got Blotto_Otter fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Oct 26, 2021 |
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Lol people in the dune thread really do be saying sicario is a “deeply stupid film” I give up
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Is there another movie that splits a book into two movies other than Mockingjay?
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gohmak posted:Is there another movie that splits a book into two movies other than Mockingjay? The last Harry Potter
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gohmak posted:Is there another movie that splits a book into two movies other than Mockingjay? Star Wars
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The Hobbit.
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The last Divergent did as well, but shat the bed so hard part 2 didn't get made. Everyone got greedy when they saw Harry Potter pull off that naked cash grab.
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The Passion barely covered any of the book!!
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Jack B Nimble posted:The Passion barely covered any of the book!! Ok no bible movies because that list is extensive.
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Dr.Radical posted:Alright, I’ll bite. Why is it a “deeply stupid” film? I thought it had the pretty correct notion that the CIA and special forces are full of psychos who are very cavalier about killing and torturing people and just generally not really giving a poo poo about the law to do so. Of course the idea that an FBI agent would be against that is dumb but she serves as a surrogate for the audience. I haven’t seen Burn Notice so I don’t know what you’re taking about there. The CIA stuff is fine, they almost certainly do dumber and more violent things every day in real life, and honestly, Josh Brolin is so good as a CIA sociopath that his performance and a bunch of extremely good shots of the desert are almost enough to carry an entire film. The main character being both a world-weary experienced FBI agent and a fawning naive victim who is perpetually horrified that the government lies and kills people is indeed very silly. Benicio's character being a lawyer who trained to become a badass assassin to avenge the death of his family is right out of a gritty 90s comic book (the sequel basically embraces this). The cartel change their MO in almost every scene: in one scene they're covertly bribing a cop to secretly strangle her, but in another they're overtly starting an international incident by getting into a gunfight with a group of federal agents at the US port of entry in broad daylight. They also have a house full of dead bodies and Jigsaw traps in the US for some reason. Its basically an accidental depiction of the border crisis through the lens of Fox News graphics about why we need to build a wall.
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gohmak posted:Is there another movie that splits a book into two movies other than Mockingjay? Breaking Dawn
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