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Soricidus posted:I’m using rocky in dev now. it’s exactly what i want: centos 8 but supported. “free” rhel8 is clearly a trap and lol if you voluntarily give ibm money when you have any alternative lol if you don't have your employer give ibm money if it simplifies your job by even an iota though.
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e-dt posted:I installed pipewire on the recommendation of this thread and it is really great both architecturally and in allowing me to loving BLAST lovely music at my friends over discord while also talking to them. It really does work seamlessly as a drop-in replacement for pulseaudio. Agreed, I use Pipewire as a drop-in Jack replacement and it pretty much immediately fixed all of my annoying audio issues when setting up a recording environment. Also I can now pretty easily take my guitar lessons (online since covid) without an amp, which is something I had a lot of trouble achieving on windows.
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The only thing the switch to pipewire made worse for me is that changing the default audio device doesn't switch over all applications to use it. This is annoying for me because I switch from headphones to speakers and back multiple times a day. You can tell they took a long look at pulseaudio to know what mistakes not to repeat. It's nice how pipewire is bringing some order to the audio stack.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:lol if you don't have your employer give ibm money if it simplifies your job by even an iota though. it doesn’t tho, that’s the point. rhel would get me … the same software, but i have to do more work to use it legally? no thanks
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it’d be cool if someone looked at a 13-year-old software package called wayland, identified all the mistakes, and made something immediately usable
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mawarannahr posted:it’d be cool if someone looked at a 13-year-old software package called wayland, identified all the mistakes, and made something immediately usable its already usable tho? off the top of my head the things that dont work atm are: - nvidia drivers but this is a business decision by nvidia, not a technical problem - stuff like synergy that wants to take over your keyboard/mouse either of these is probably a valid reason to still be on x11 if you need em but meanwhile wayland fixes: - x11's catastrophic screen tearing - x11's high cpu usage and awful latency due to decades old structural issues - x11's bad hidpi support, eg only wayland allows you to assign it per-display one big pain atm is screen sharing, which is implemented now via xdg-desktop-portal but you pretty much gotta do it via a browser since the native apps haven't bothered to start supporting it last i checked, while the browsers have. its a bit messy because gnome got sick of waiting (understandably imo) and decided to DIY their own API so if you're on gnome-wayland then screen sharing may work via that DIYed API. zoom for example supports the gnome API but their linux support effort has always been a bit poo poo and their current implementation already works mostly fine on gnome so i assume they'll bother supporting the newer xdg-desktop-portal API only if gnome dropped their current DIY API afaik everything broken on wayland can be traced to a business decision where someone doesn't want to invest in new thing when: - current thing works fine for them and they don't have resources to put effort into changing - they are a leader on current thing and risk losing ground if people move to new thing doing wayland over again wouldn't fix those
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Lack of explicit GPU sync is a major flaw in Wayland and it's fixable but the road to fix it is long and painful. Android does not have this problem. https://lwn.net/Articles/814587/
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Not having a global push to talk button is a bit of a deal breaker for me tbh. Also, multi-monitor on Plasma Wayland is a dumpster fire. I hope the N-Gabe efforts improve that because I'd like to move to it.
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also at least on Fedora Silverblue my experiences with Pipewire have been mixed to put it lightly. The last few point releases seem to have mostly shaken all the bugs out though.
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Progressive JPEG posted:its already usable tho? off the top of my head the things that dont work atm are: nvidia is getting close. the current stable driver supports xwayland and the beta that just came out a few days ago has actual gbm support. the latter requires some fixes in compositors that previously assumed that nvidia always implies eglstreams, but gnome at least has already fixed it upstream. sdl has been getting some real wayland work as well, but there are a couple of issues that need to be addressed:
other than that, the big missing feature for wayland is color management, which is currently being worked on
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Oh nvidia supports GBM now? Took them long enough. I'm happy with the amd 6700 I managed to pick up though, and there's no screwing around with package repositories for the proprietary driver or weird garbage kernel shims either.
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NihilCredo posted:linux desktop sees bt fitness band update: i finally have bt headphones working all it took was parsing dmesg output to find my VID and PID, using those to figure out the correct firmware file to steal from a windows driver zip, git cloning and building a cli tool to convert it to a different hex file format, then because it's fedora silverblue manually package the resulting file in .rpm format (which is actually fair, since not dumping random firmware files in system folders is the entire point of the distro). pretty sure my grandma could have done it with some guidance not counting ofc the week or so spent looking through forum threads to figure out which repos are relevant, which are outdated, which workarounds had anything to do with my chip, etc.
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NihilCredo posted:update: i finally have bt headphones working totally the fault of the os vs some janky-rear end hardware that doesn't work with anything without weird proprietary drivers
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how are they even bluetooth headphones if they need a firmware upload to function, your random bluetooth audio source isn't going to have that firmware on hand to make them work
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also what on earth can you do with a "fitness band" on linux anyway, those things exist to be yet another gangplank for installing invasive crapware on your phone. is there actually a generic bluetooth device class for those things now? hm, i might get one if that's the case.
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isn't there one for sex toys?
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NihilCredo posted:update: i finally have bt headphones working
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The_Franz posted:totally the fault of the os vs some janky-rear end hardware that doesn't work with anything without weird proprietary drivers yeah, remember to start the phonecall with grandma by explaining this at length
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look grandma only figured out what a headphone jack was last week so i'm pretty sure she doesn't care about bluetooth
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spankmeister posted:Try a less janky-rear end bluetooth dongle next time built-in in the ASRock mobo The_Franz posted:totally the fault of the os vs some janky-rear end hardware that doesn't work with anything without weird proprietary drivers if you're a floss project and can't or don't want to license binary blobs, that's great if the os knows that it needs some proprietary files to make it work - and the fact was well documented in redhat forums - it should tell the user "hey your Bluetooth won't work without a firmware blob, please download it from the manufacturer" what fedora did was pretend everything was fine in the UI, ignoring the explicit "didn't find the required $filename.hcd for this device" error-level message in the dmesg output pseudorandom name posted:how are they even bluetooth headphones if they need a firmware upload to function, your random bluetooth audio source isn't going to have that firmware on hand to make them work the firmware patch was for the bt chip on the mobo, not the headphones. they work great with other devices Sapozhnik posted:also what on earth can you do with a "fitness band" on linux anyway, those things exist to be yet another gangplank for installing invasive crapware on your phone. nothing. it just happened to appear among the detected devices, which made it extra weird that the headphones and soundbar didn't work. usually it's LE devices that have poor support unrelated, i'm a degoogling nerd so I use gadgetbridge with the fitness band. don't want to tell larry and sergey how pathetic my reps are
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NihilCredo posted:the firmware patch was for the bt chip on the mobo, not the headphones. they work great with other devices well that's lame, the whole point of the Bluetooth spec including a standard device protocol and how to transport it over USB/Secure Digital/etc. is that somebody competent can write the driver for you
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pseudorandom name posted:somebody competent can write the driver for you
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pseudorandom name posted:well that's lame, the whole point of the Bluetooth spec including a standard device protocol and how to transport it over USB/Secure Digital/etc. is that somebody competent can write the driver for you it's probably something where the device comes up not looking much like a bt host controller at all, and only starts behaving like one (and thus working with the standard driver) once you load its firmware blob
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dougdrums posted:lmao you laugh but this is why the UHCI, AHCI, HD Audio, NVMe, etc. specs all exist
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whats teh closest thing to fluxbox for wayland
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gently caress it i installed gnome. whats the worst that could happen
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mycophobia posted:gently caress it i installed gnome. whats the worst that could happen you wake up one morning to find out you have metamorphosed into miguel de icaza.
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pseudorandom name posted:somebody competent can write the driver for you thread title
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gnome 40 is pretty good but would be a lot beter if it wasnt so touchscreen centric.
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SporkOfTruth posted:thread title haha
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SporkOfTruth posted:thread title
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mycophobia posted:gently caress it i installed gnome. whats the worst that could happen
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Progressive JPEG posted:its already usable tho? off the top of my head the things that dont work atm are: it’s Linus who refuses to support a stable driver ABI, not NVidia
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eschaton posted:it’s Linus who refuses to support a stable driver ABI, not NVidia hurrr durrr the driver abi has nothing to do with wayland support. it's 100% nvidia being a snowflake and dragging their feet on the issue the 495 drivers with gbm support are now stable as of a couple of days ago though. it's not of much use unless you are using bleeding-edge builds (read: within the last week) of desktops and libraries with the fixes needed for it though. nvidia also dropped support for hardware below the 900 series desktop cards with this release, so good luck finding a new card if you need to upgrade
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application brogramming interface
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Jonny 290 posted:application brogramming interface yep
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post hole digger posted:gnome 40 is pretty good but would be a lot beter if it wasnt so touchscreen centric. how big is the userbase for people who use touch on linux
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depends on if u mean the command “touch” or not xD
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post hole digger posted:gnome 40 is pretty good but would be a lot beter if it wasnt so touchscreen centric. the touchscreen-esque stuff like the lock screen that wanted you to swipe upwards has been gone for a while. gnome is keyboard centric now if anything, and once you commit a few shortcuts to muscle memory, it's quite nice unless you are a little babbie who melts down if their desktop doesn't look like a windows from 25 years ago
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