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Zam Wesell posted:how big is the userbase for people who use touch on linux i used to use xournal to take notes in class on my x61 tablet, but that was stylus and explicitly not touchscreen (which i disabled) looks like theres a fork/rewrite xournal++ now, neat
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i did a fresh install of debian+gnome (so all defaults) on my laptop for funsies and it only recognizes one mouse button
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mycophobia posted:gently caress it i installed gnome. whats the worst that could happen you've already arrived at "the worst that could happen" by installing gnome
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Oct 28, 2021 00:35
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EDIT theres a separate "Tweaks" settings thing that lets me reenable the right mouse button
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Last Chance posted:depends on if u mean the command “touch” or not xD XDDDD
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mycophobia posted:EDIT theres a separate "Tweaks" settings thing that lets me reenable the right mouse button there are some extensions that make gnome more usable. unfortunately they’re written in JavaScript and have a tendency to crash. when I was looking for a wayland-compatible guakelike I found an extension called dTile that works OK most of the time. i really like a dropdown terminal. you install the extensions through a browser extension for installing gnome extensions. lol
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Oct 28, 2021 00:43
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mawarannahr posted:you install the extensions through a browser extension for installing gnome extensions. lol ya this is insanely fail
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Oct 28, 2021 00:53
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that's okay, I'll still keep using that garbage.
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mycophobia posted:i did a fresh install of debian+gnome (so all defaults) on my laptop for funsies and it only recognizes one mouse button I know gnome copy apple but this is taking it too far
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post hole digger posted:gnome 40 is pretty good but would be a lot beter if it wasnt so touchscreen centric. it would be nice if it actually was usable as a touch device though
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Oct 28, 2021 08:23
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mawarannahr posted:you install the extensions through a browser extension for installing gnome extensions. lol the average linux distro fresh out of the box has like, six different package managers installed for four different purposes lomarf
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Oct 28, 2021 08:59
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the actual idiotic issue with fedora and gnome-extensions, is that if you just press install on an extension right after a fresh install it will default to installing the extension through a flatpak-provided gnome-extensions package as if a javascript based desktop didn't have enough layers already
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with gnome nautilus i could browse my bitlocker-encrypted windows disks effortlessly. it would automatically decrypt them and ask for sudo password to mount them, done. with kde dolphin i still get prompted for the password, but then i get the message 'authorization required' or some poo poo. alright, let's sudo this ...if i try to sudo dolphin it says that for security reasons (!) dolphin cannot be run as sudo. what the gently caress, is this macos, trying to protect me from violating the security of my own machine? fake edit: lol the phabricator thread for this is loving hilarious: quote:Hmm, actually this doesn't catch kdesu dolphin because that doesn't set SUDO_USER... quote:It looks like kdesu sets KDESU_USER. quote:Why is kdesu doing it's own thing? quote:That's not the only problem with kdesu: quote:what about : quote:Determined people will always get around security measures that annoy them. How would you suggest that we re-enable running Dolphin as the actual root user so that we can un-break people for whom this is important or necessary? quote:Honestly I don't think we need to support that. If a user really wants that they can patch dolphin. We don't have to support every user wish. If I would have supported every user wish KWin would be an unmaintainable monster. quote:I know you're against root session use. I'm not in favor of it myself. But IMHO it's not our jobs as DE providers to make this decision for our users or their distros. This change has broken Kali, a popular KDE-using distro. openSUSE has already patched it out. Kali may eventually have to patch it out too, or switch to another DE. I assume that's not what we want... quote:We also have a focus on security. Your change destroys part of a security improvement we did. Please don't argument with the focus on Usability as security is also a focus. quote:Martin, listening to our users isn't being bullied. If we make a change that upsets our users, that's a really good sign that we might want to reconsider it. btw, the actual vuln that preventing sudo (but not a billion other ways to elevate) protects you from: quote:To explain again: a website can trigger downloads in Chromium. They are by default saved to the user's home directory without (!) asking or informing the user about it. If there is any application running which monitors the directory and loads the files, you have lost.
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I temporarily lost sound through the speakers on my debian laptop yesterday. I was initially all " linux!" but it turned out to be a physical problem with the headphone jack.
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Oct 28, 2021 14:09
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"If a user really wants that they can patch dolphin." This is hilarious. The only other graphical app I know of that pulls this poo poo to any degree is Wireshark. Except, to their credit, they only give you a stern warning rather than refuse to run outright. I guarantee that no user is really asking for security checks like this. And anyone who is running apps as root should already know what they're getting into.
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Oct 28, 2021 16:05
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sb hermit posted:And anyone who is running apps as root should already know what they're getting into. or is dumb enough that they're going to do it no matter how many chest high walls you put in their way
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Oct 28, 2021 16:27
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Zam Wesell posted:how big is the userbase for people who use touch on linux pretty big if you count recent chromebooks, though the vast majority of those people are never going to try to sideload a gnome desktop
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Oct 28, 2021 16:58
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sb hermit posted:"If a user really wants that they can patch dolphin." this is where you need someone like linus in charge to come in and crack some nerd heads years ago i was using an old computer as a home nas running freebsd, and after updating things i started to get weird errors and failures on basically anything that connected to a server. some tinfoil hat turbo nerd decided that they shouldn't include any certificates by default anymore because  NSA, which completely hosed SSL. cue some arguing on a mailing list for a few days before a project leader stepped in, reverted the change and basically virtually slapped the poo poo out of all of them because "NO NO NO YOU DO NOT COMPLETELY BREAK THINGS FOR EVERYONE JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE PARANOID"
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I wonder what the tinfoil hat idiot expected normal people to do. Download certificates and manually copy them? And then make sure the permissions are set correctly on the files? (I would also put in an selinux labeling joke but this is freebsd) And maybe run a certificate cache script to allow certificates to be found via fingerprint rather than common name? Certificate management is a nightmare. Then again, systems administration is a nightmare.
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Oct 28, 2021 17:22
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i don't remember that happening, but it sounds bonkers
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:i don't remember that happening, but it sounds bonkers iirc it happened in a release candidate or beta, so it wasn't rolled out into production, but it was intentional, should have never happened, and had crazy people arguing that it was a good thing
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The_Franz posted:iirc it happened in a release candidate or beta, so it wasn't rolled out into production, but it was intentional, should have never happened, and had crazy people arguing that it was a good thing
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Oct 28, 2021 19:44
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:i'm confused, because there was no root certificate store until the CAROOT build option option and certctl got added, which is a fairly recent development all i know is that after the update, anything at all that tried to use https didn't work because some maintainer decided that certificates couldn't be trusted and that users should install them on their own if they wanted to use such esoteric things as SSL. a higher up basically had to tell them to knock it the gently caress off because you don't break things for everyone due to your tinfoil hat bullshit
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phabricator posted:SUMMARY Kali Linux posted:The most advanced Penetration Testing Distribution Kali Linux doc justifying this insanity posted:Kali Linux, however, as a security and auditing platform, contains many which tools can only run with root privileges. loving lmao sadly I must report that sanity entered the building and that last is an archived page because they changed their defaults so that normally you use a real user account now it's hilarious though that the response to "oh hey pentesters might have to use a sudo now and then" was ever, even for a millisecond, "gently caress it just do everything as root"
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Having used Kali for its intended purpose, in anger, logging in as root is the least of your concerns with that distribution.
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Nomnom Cookie posted:the freebsd defender has logged on in the mid 2000s put my time and effort into learning freebsd well because i figured it’d be a better bet in the job market and would translate to OS X. “surely companies would favor the bsd license, sensible architecture, and excellent documentation.” i used to carry around the design and implementation of the freebsd operating system. i can’t get over it and i hate systemd so much. i don’t have it in me to learn the same amount of linux. everything that followed has been an embitttering disappointment.
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mawarannahr posted:i used to carry around the design and implementation of the freebsd operating system. lmbo
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im on the spectrum and carried the dsm-4 in the space i had left in my backpack. also the Smalltalk 80 blue book
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NihilCredo posted:fake edit: lol the phabricator thread for this is loving hilarious: I'm the K Desu
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i don’t remember the last time i’ve used an actual file manager on linux, and i’ve been running some flavor of linux on my personal laptop for over a decade
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dougdrums posted:i don’t remember the last time i’ve used an actual file manager on linux, and i’ve been running some flavor of linux on my personal laptop for over a decade I use nautilus if I have to do anything with MTP. Which is whenevrr I have to push or pull crap from android phones and tablets. Yes, there are command line mtp things and they are much faster than the file manager. But I use them sparingly because all of this is not as intuitive as just using standard cd/cp/rm on the command line.
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Ocean of Milk posted:I'm the K Desu banime I also read it that way at first 
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mawarannahr posted:i used to carry around the design and implementation of the freebsd operating system. i can’t get over it and i hate systemd so much. i don’t have it in me to learn the same amount of linux. everything that followed has been an embitttering disappointment. but why do you hate systemd? do you hate it because it replaces /etc/rc? or do you hate it because it’s a poor imitation of launchd?
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king.
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mawarannahr posted:im on the spectrum and carried the dsm-4 in the space i had left in my backpack. also the Smalltalk 80 blue book BSD+Smalltalk is an interesting combination were you trying to work for Hewlett-Packard or Tektronix during the 1980s? (I have a couple Tektronix UNIX/Smalltalk workstations on a pallet for me in Pittsburgh right now…)
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